04-18-2020, 02:11 PM
(04-18-2020, 08:15 AM)6andcounting Wrote: I think the protestors are dumb and the government shutting down things was ultimately the right move. That doesn't mean I trust the government or believe that the government can pick a chose when we get our full rights. The Bill of Rights to protect individual rights when they are under attack or being limited. It doesn't need to exist to allow us to take actions the government supports. It exists to ensure we are allowed to take action the government would otherwise limit. If rights apply only on a circumstantial basis - they don't really exist.
How do we prevent the government from issuing these orders every flu season or every time there is (or they say there is) a potential danger lurking in the future?
Maybe think of this question in terms of things you don't agree with to gain a different perspective.
Trump shows us a slideshow of horrific numbers and scary estimates of mass deaths do to an uncontained disease outbreak in poor, shit hole countries. To stop the spread of this virus in the US we must completely close the border with Mexico (including increased border security to prevent people trying to sneak in) as well as a travel ban to and from various African, South American and Muslim majority countries deemed hot spots. California is also quarantined since the libs there encourage homeless encampments and love supporting illegal immigrants - both of which of course will increase the spread of the disease. How do we make sure Trump is doing what's truly right?
I don't disagree with your argument. People who feel their rights have been violated should have their day in court and likely will.
All I'm saying is that these cases aren't as simple as yelling the word "Constitution" and storming the capital. There are precedents and limits to all rights, and most if not all end where your right to exercise them becomes a danger to someone else's life or liberty. I've given examples in other threads. You can't threaten to kill the president. I can't tell a guy that I'm going to curb stomp him for parking on the street in front of my house. You can't assemble in front of a hospital entrance in a way that prevents emergency patients from receiving care. You can't use language meant to incite a riot. This is not a liberal/conservative argument. Antonin Scalia himself acknowledged limits to the second amendment of all things.
I think that there's a case for that here, obviously. The governors have powers when emergencies are declared. They are written for anyone that cares to read them to see. People that disagree can make their argument. That's why the courts are there. In the end, I think their cases will be nothing more than a persistent annoyance to the governors, unless people just want to pretend the virus never happened and was a hoax.