Mass shootings

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(02-22-2018, 06:11 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I respectfully disagree. In addition to suggesting any regulation is a call for banning guns, we have seen fake statistics, such as the ones Lucie just posted from a major pro gun research group suggesting that all mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones. 

I don't disagree that they're upfront with their goals, but that doesn't mean their arguments aren't misleading. I also don't even understand their need to be misleading. You can acknowledge gun violence and also point out the 2nd Amendment as being the only thing that matters to the debate.

(02-22-2018, 06:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, I didn't see the post which you are quoting here, but there is a lot of misleading information on both sides where numbers are massaged or framed in a way to be more favorable than they really are. It's important to keep in mind that on both sides, the data is not made up. What is being done is presenting the information in a way that makes a better argument. I've taken classes on how to avoid this in statistics and for my policy stuff, but unfortunately those are more like "how to" manuals for more partisan actors.

I suppose it was rather foolish of me to claim that the pro 2A crowd flat out does not engage in this conduct, there's almost certainly those that do.  What I really should have focused on is that the anti-2A claims seem to get a lot of traction with the media and end up being reported as fact.

One argument that's really bothered me of late, and the high school kids really indulge in it (note I get they're HS kids who've been through a traumatic experience so I don't relay hold them accountable) is this supposed right to "feel safe".  I've got news for you, you're not safe now and you never were safe.  Free society and safe are incompatible.  Did they feel safe getting into the car to go to the town hall on guns?  Because they were far more likely to be injured or killed in an auto accident than a school shooting.  They're far more likely to be injured or even killed getting out of the shower than in a school shooting.  I need to feel safe is a non-argument.