11-05-2021, 04:11 PM
(11-05-2021, 03:45 PM)Dill Wrote: In principle, I don’t think verbal provocations of the smack/ad hominem type justify physical assault, but I can think of circumstances which might make such assault “understandable” to a jury—e.g., if someone tells a bereaved father “I’m glad your son was killed in A-stan. He was gay,” followed by obscene gestures in the faces of that father’s grieving wife and daughter.Understandable, but still not legal.
Quote:But this is a moot question here, since I am not defending Rosenbaum’s “right” to chase people down and wrest guns from them.
OK, it certainly didn't come across that way, but I am pleased to hear it.
Quote:My issue has always been with how the law is set up to protect armed civilians flouting guns, by reducing all relevant legal determination to the question of whether such people “feel” threatened when confronted. Here the law protects a “right” and a “freedom” to the detriment of public
You're referring to stand your ground laws, which do not apply here. I can understand the concerns raised by the laws as written in some states. I just don't understand how that's relevant to this case, at all.
Quote:At present, it is not inconceivable that a shooter could kill people trying to disarm him in the interest of public safety—and get off on “self defense” if his lawyers could convince a jury that a “reasonable person” would also feel threatened in the same situation, and he was “retreating” after the previous kill, etc.
Well, there's certainly not enough information in this "what if" to determine that. You cannot write the law to cover every possible occurrence, hence the "reasonable person" standard that actually works quite well.
(11-05-2021, 03:48 PM)Dill Wrote: Good point.
I have seen no evidence that the Capitol rioters were using lasers, or throwing bags of urine.
This response was so predictable I would have bet my house it was going to be how you replied. Is your assertion that right wing "protestors" engage in the type of described behavior as much or more than left wing "protestors"? Evidence from the past few years would strongly indicate the exact opposite, but please make the case if you can.
