Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

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(11-08-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Jury selection is key in absolutely every single case that goes to trial, not just high profile ones.  Picking people you think will be most sympathetic to your arguments is lawyer 101. 

Unh hunh. And I was specifically relating jury selection to the "reasonable person test." E.g., the Arbery defense went for as many "reasonable" WHITE jurors as possible, figuring they would be "most sympathetic," and Georgia law can't stop them.  

Jury selection was decisive in the Zimmerman case too. 
 
If we move beyond lawyer 101, perhaps the goal is not simply to get a "reasonable" juror but a biased one. 

(11-08-2021, 01:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Supposition has been your key approach in this thread, so I suppose a little more won't hurt.  I'm definitely much less concerned about right wing protestors, I've never had one spit on me, scream in my face, thrown bottles and stones at me, etc. and I have numerous friends throughout the country with almost identical experiences.  Odd.

Quote:Also note the qualifier "sometimes" in my original post, as in Police don't everywhere and always see armed groups of white men as welcome help during civil unrest. Wherever they do, they are exercising bad judgment. 

I think for a guy on the ground any friendly face in a sea of angry, violent rioters is a welcome site.  But, this has nothing to do with the actual trial, just an attempt to paint law enforcement as irretrievably biased, so I'll be leaving it at that.

??? You are disputing that fraternizing with armed militia during riots is bad judgment on the part of police, because an unvetted, civilian "friendly face" is a "welcome sight"??

If you are owning this bias then, really, which of us is “painting” law enforcement as irretrievably biased???
 
Surely it can't be the guy arguing that Police don't everywhere and always see armed groups of white men as welcome help during civil unrest.

(11-08-2021, 01:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: But what the above does do for many is cement in their minds that the media and Democrats are full square behind left wing violence while condemning them even when they were peaceful.  For example, look at the media response to the right wing protest at the Michigan state capitol.  This is a tame example;

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order

Whitmer's quote was especially telling;

"I respect people's right to dissent, but that does not extend to endangering other people's lives and we take it very seriously," said Whitmer.

These protestors were carrying their firearms legally and peacefully, they committed no acts of violence and zero arrests were made or attempted.  Contrast this with the "mostly peaceful" trope below;

At least one of those legally carrying and peaceful protestors was involved in the plot to kidnap and kill the governor of Michigan. I'm pretty sure that would endanger her life.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michigan-militia-dar-leaf-constitutional-sheriff_n_5f809951c5b62f97bac2195a

One of the men charged this week in a militia plot to kidnap the Democratic governor of Michigan shared the stage earlier this year with an extremist sheriff at an anti-lockdown rally, highlighting the often cozy relationship across America between law enforcement and violent right-wing paramilitary groups.

In a shocking interview with Fox 17 on Thursday, [Sherriff] Leaf said he had no regrets for having appeared at the rally with the recently arrested militiaman. He added that he knew Null — as well as his identical twin, Michael, who was also arrested in the terror plot — and called the brothers “nice” and “respectful.” He also appeared to defend the Nulls’ motive for the alleged kidnapping plot, arguing that there’s a legal argument to be made that Whitmer should be arrested for imposing coronavirus restrictions.

I wonder how many also stormed the Capitol on 1/6?
 
You have reminded jj and me that not ALL of the thousands protesting at the Capitol of 1/6 were engaged in breaching the building and assaulting police officers, like that is THE very important thing to remember about this attempt to stop a president's legal certification and keep the loser in power, first time ever in U.S. history. GOP stalwarts pledged allegiance to a flag carried at that insurrection, as they set about campaigning to win the VA governorship, a campaign you tout as a model for other GOP campaigns and a sign Trump's influence is lessening.
 
Aren't the "liberal" media doing something similar to you when they call a protest "mostly peaceful," separating the violent actors from the majority of peaceful protestors? But you want them to emphasize the violence?