(03-16-2021, 04:24 AM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: AJ Green to the Ravens on a three year deal?
Watch him have a pro bowl season now that he is with a division rival.

That was from a satire profile.

(03-16-2021, 11:39 AM)BenZoo2 Wrote: That makes for some interesting scenarios.  I’d like to know what amount the brown family would feel comfortable with as a reserve.  

Should COVID drag out longer than expected would they consider selling some shares, or even outright?

I don’t see them getting a sweet heart deal on the next stadium go around either.


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With what they are showing the past few years I honestly could see them not getting a deal. Why waste money on them when you have a bridge to fix and highways to repair and a downtown area to continue to revitalize. 

Win or GTFO.  

Send the team to England where Elizabeth Blackburn and her fluff pieces about we is gonna do it differently now will be new and people may buy the crap. 

(03-16-2021, 10:48 AM)J24 Wrote: Why would the Bengals be poor? The only thing they pay for is employee salary everything else is given free to them by the City!

The Browns are very rich but their money is tied up in the team.  They have no other source of money other than the team. They would realize billions if they sold. It is not money that is an issue it's cash that is needed to pay upfront signing bonuses.   Even being personally worth 10s of millions of dollars doesn't mean those assets are easily liquified to produce cash. 

And there are far more expenses to running a team than just salaries

Clearly Frank hasn't been clubbing with a blue haired pansexual! SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS!

No worries the free shots won't turn you!

(03-16-2021, 11:54 AM)jj22 Wrote: Clearly Frank hasn't been clubbing with a blue haired pansexual! SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS!

No worries the free shots won't turn you!

Frank prefers to dance with blondes...

(03-16-2021, 11:36 AM)Au165 Wrote: I believe it is probably what we talked about in another thread. I think they overestimated their cap against that of the rest of the league and when it became clear they were not in the financially dominant position they thought they were they got caught in no man's land. 

If so, that is extremely dense of them. I explained my thoughts of the "salary cap crunch" in advance and it has played out a lot like I thought it would and I am no insider. Really sad to be honest. If all the lowball offer stuff is true and what you are saying is true, they must have thought most all teams had limited liquidity so players like Zeitler were going to get 3-4M dollar offers and have to take them. I find that completely incompetent if that is the case.

(03-16-2021, 12:02 PM)SErebel11 Wrote: If so, that is extremely dense of them. I explained my thoughts of the "salary cap crunch" in advance and it has played out a lot like I thought it would and I am no insider. Really sad to be honest. If all the lowball offer stuff is true and what you are saying is true, they must have thought most all teams had limited liquidity so players like Zeitler were going to get 3-4M dollar offers and have to take them. I find that completely incompetent if that is the case.

I don't think they worried about other team liquidity, I think they thought they could get away offering bigger salaries and other teams couldn't. They didn't expect the influx of voided years and the willingness to kick the can down the road. 

(03-16-2021, 10:25 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Me personally?  Cincinnati, no question.

California has the income highest tax rate in the entire country.  Their income tax rate on these multi-million dollar salaries is 13.30%.  Ohio's is 4.80%.

For example, a player making 10 million dollars a year will pay 1.303 million dollars in state income tax living in California.  A player in Ohio will only pay 476k.

And none of these accounts for housing costs, or costs of living either.  2 million dollars in Cincinnati will put you in a mansion in Indian Hill.  2 million dollars in Los Angeles will get you a 3BR, 1.5 bath, 1,500 sq ft house.  $50 a plate in Cincinnati will get you into Jeff Ruby's.  $50 a plate will get you into a rethemed Applebees in LA.

There's a lot reason tons of people are leaving California right now, and not all of it is Covid restrictions, homeless people shitting on your porch, or blue-haired pansexuals protesting the falvor of the day.  A lot of it is money related.
 

Living in So Cal, true about the taxes and housing costs out here. I could sell my properties and comfortably retire in a place like Ohio and have alot of excess cash left over. However there is a reason people want to live here. I just feel sorry for these younger folks who have graduated , have good paying jobs or a thriving business but cant afford a decent place in a  decent area.  Not too sure what  blue haired pan sexual is , so im staying away from that one. There are too many new gender related buzz words out there and Im having a hard time keeping t all straight  in my head. i.e., Binary,  non-Binary, pan , etc etc......

I don't know about them overestimating their cap against the league. Teams have always been able to somehow do more with only having 10 million in cap space vs the Bengals who had 30+ million in cap space.


We've always wondered how teams supposedly in cap trouble has been able to sign more high paid players then the Bengals who seem to have good cap room. It's as if they don't set aside 50% of the cap for injuries/draft/roll over (and all the other excuses Hobs uses to bring Bengals cap space down from 41 to 20million.

(03-16-2021, 12:04 PM)kalibengal Wrote: Living in So Cal, true about the taxes and housing costs out here. I could sell my properties and comfortably retire in a place like Ohio and have alot of excess cash left over. However there is a reason people want to live here. I just feel sorry for these younger folks who have graduated , have good paying jobs or a thriving business but cant afford a decent place in a  decent area.  Not too sure what  blue haired pan sexual is , so im staying away from that one. There are too many new gender related buzz words out there and Im having a hard time keeping t all straight  in my head. i.e., Binary,  non-Binary, pan , etc etc......

Who knows what any of them mean anymore. But blue haired people typically have good personalities and don't care what people think of them. Which makes them ok in my book. Even if they do like to use cooking pots in non tradition ways.

(03-16-2021, 12:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: I don't know about them overestimating their cap against the league. Teams have always been able to somehow do more with only having 10 million in cap space vs the Bengals who had 30+ million in cap space.


We've always wondered how teams supposedly in cap trouble has been able to sign more high paid players then the Bengals who seem to have good cap room. It's as if they don't set aside 50% of the cap for injuries/draft/roll over (and all the other excuses Hobs uses to bring Bengals cap space down from 41 to 20million.

There are roll over factors in there, in addition to cuts.

Generally, the talk before fa is 'x team has y dollars.' then some team goes above y dollars, but the next day makes cuts to make it happen. If you've got $10 million for fa, spend $12 million, you can still make cuts to get your number down.

I think most of the time we look at other teams and say 'how did they outspend us' but we don't look at the follow-up cuts

Bengals signing CB Chidobe Awuzie (former Cowboy) per Mike Garafolo.

(03-16-2021, 12:22 PM)BleedNOrange Wrote: Bengals signing CB Chidobe Awuzie (former Cowboy) per Mike Garafolo.

Good to hear, we need a thread to talk about these.

Wake me up when we sign OL or a WR. They can add all the pieces they want to this defense, they’re still going to suck. We will only go as far the offense can carry us.

(03-16-2021, 12:22 PM)BleedNOrange Wrote: Bengals signing CB Chidobe Awuzie (former Cowboy) per Mike Garafolo.

With 1 INT personnel season I assume he's a literal replacement if they can't sign WJ3. 

I like Awuzie as a guy with upside. Two years ago he was really solid and I think if he is healthy he has a chance to be a really nice piece. In 2019, when healthy, he was the 21st rated CB in the league by PFF.

(03-16-2021, 11:42 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: That was from a satire profile.

Yeah that’s why I didn’t see that anywhere else when I looked.
I shouldn’t read stuff late at night.

(03-16-2021, 12:27 PM)phil413 Wrote: With 1 INT personnel season I assume he's a literal replacement if they can't sign WJ3. 

Reports are that signing him means they aren't bringing back WJIII

So 2 signings and 2 downgrades. 

Meanwhile Michael Jordan and Bobby Hart are slotted as starters still....

Good plan they have here

(03-16-2021, 11:11 AM)Au165 Wrote: I like Thomas as a swing DT/DE option. The whole board is available at CB still for the most part. We should be able to improve the defense. 

I agree, and It seems alot of people were going nuts when alot of these deals were being done by other teams but this was an unusual 1st day of Signings. The First day is NEVER this aggressive, I can only think this year due to the lower CAP teams might be trying to get ahead of the curve. 

With that said, there is still some talented players left on the market that can help improve this defense, and team as a whole. Not to mention we have the draft, and HOPEFULLY we position ourselves in FA to make the right choices in the draft to be an extremely competitive team this season. 

(03-16-2021, 12:33 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Reports are that signing him means they aren't bringing back WJIII

So 2 signings and 2 downgrades. 

Meanwhile Michael Jordan and Bobby Hart are slotted as starters still....

Good plan they have here

The problem with Jackson is he only really fits in a press-man scheme and that does not seem to be what we are running. Jackson is elite in press man and has been really bad in off coverage, so it seems like a scheme issue. There were also rumors he simply didn't want to come back so it is what it is.