(04-26-2022, 12:49 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Fixed it

Thanks.

The way I always look at PFF ratings is more like tiers and less of a numbered list.

For example, the difference between Jonah Williams (77.1) and Andrew Thomas (78.9) is negligible.
They're both basically in that B range if treating it like a school grade.

The only guys I'd really put in a tier above Jonah Williams are:
Trent Williams
Tyron Smith

I'd probably put Jordan Mailata and Kolton Miller too, but they've only been at this level for a couple years.

Maybe Rashawn Slater (let's see how he does in sophomore year), Charles Leno, and Donovan Smith as well.
But I don't think Jonah Williams is that far behind those guys.

(04-26-2022, 01:04 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: I wouldn't take it this far...but it could be worse. 

I'd pick up the opition just to kick the can down the road. 

Jonah was the 11th ranked LT in the league in 2021. Age 24

I’d say that makes him one of the better LT’s in the game.

He’ll prob be a top 10 left tackle in 2022 now that whitworth is retired

My thoughts are to pick up the 5th year option and then work on an extension that starts once the existing contract expires. Williams has been a solid LT for us and while he isn't elite, I don't see any reason to create a hole at the LT position or to let him go without having an obvious heir apparent (which we don't have currently). Maybe another LT comes in the draft, but I'd hope we focus more on other positions of need vs. trying to find another LT.

(04-26-2022, 11:06 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Whitworth is retired

Now see where Jonah ranks within Left Tackles

15th overall for LT that have taken at least 50% of max snaps.

Trent Williams 1100sn (96.6)
Tyron Smith 807sn (90.2)
Jordan Mailata 817sn (88.3)
Whitworth 1102sn (87.2)
Kolton Miller 1216sn (85.0)
Rashawn Slater 1110sn (83.6)
Charles Leno Jr 1115sn (81.2)
Donovan Smith 1292sn (80.5)
Dion Dawkins 1202sn (79.4)
Andrew Thomas 799sn (78.9)
Jason Peters 847sn (77.5)
Penei Sewell 536sn (77.0) (took 498sn at RT)
Garett Bolles 869sn (76.6)
Orlando Brown Jr 1337sn (75.3)
Isaiah Wynn 914sn (74.9)
Jonah Williams 1301sn (74.5)

(04-26-2022, 09:54 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Trent Williams 1100sn (96.6)
Tyron Smith 807sn (90.2)
Jordan Mailata 817sn (88.3)
Whitworth 1102sn (87.2)
Kolton Miller 1216sn (85.0)
Rashawn Slater 1110sn (83.6)
Charles Leno Jr 1115sn (81.2)
Donovan Smith 1292sn (80.5)
Dion Dawkins 1202sn (79.4)
Andrew Thomas 799sn (78.9)
Jason Peters 847sn (77.5)
Penei Sewell 536sn (77.0) (took 498sn at RT)
Garett Bolles 869sn (76.6)
Orlando Brown Jr 1337sn (75.3)
Isaiah Wynn 914sn (74.9)
Jonah Williams 1301sn (74.5)

His main PFF page has him at 77.1

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jonah-williams/41651

Might be better to just compare regular season grades, as some of those guys didn’t play in the postseason (ie face the best teams multiple more times).

(04-26-2022, 10:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: His main PFF page has him at 77.1

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jonah-williams/41651

Might be better to just compare regular season grades, as some of those guys didn’t play in the postseason (ie face the best teams multiple more times).

Yep. You're right. I forgot to reset to regular season only. 

Updated:
Trent Williams 934sn (97.8)
Tyron Smith 735sn (91.4)
Jordan Mailata 751sn (87.4)
Whitworth 926sn (86.1)
Kolton Miller 1139sn (84.0)
Rashawn Slater 1110sn (83.6)
Donovan Smith 1147sn (83.3)
Charles Leno Jr 1115sn (81.2)
Andrew Thomas 799sn (78.9)
Jason Peters 847sn (77.5)
Dion Dawkins 1085sn (77.5)
Jonah Williams 1044sn (77.1)

One other thing to remember is PFF (and some others) have some sacks charged to Jonah that REALLY belong to the TE, RB or (per Burrow) to Burrow himself as he DID by his own statement hold the ball too long for a good part of last season. It doesn't mean Jonah is perfect, just that you have to take PFF ratings in general and stats with a grain of salt.

Man....I thought sniffing model airplane glue went out of favor in the 70s. Until I read some takes on this thread. Yikes!

(04-26-2022, 11:31 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Man....I thought sniffing model airplane glue went out of favor in the 70s. Until I read some takes on this thread. Yikes!

You’re being too kind. Your average glue sniffer wouldn’t even make such an ignorant statement.

(04-26-2022, 10:31 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yep. You're right. I forgot to reset to regular season only. 

Updated:
Trent Williams 934sn (97.8)
Tyron Smith 735sn (91.4)
Jordan Mailata 751sn (87.4)
Whitworth 926sn (86.1)
Kolton Miller 1139sn (84.0)
Rashawn Slater 1110sn (83.6)
Donovan Smith 1147sn (83.3)
Charles Leno Jr 1115sn (81.2)
Andrew Thomas 799sn (78.9)
Jason Peters 847sn (77.5)
Dion Dawkins 1085sn (77.5)
Jonah Williams 1044sn (77.1)

Easily the most important number in that ranking is 1044

(04-27-2022, 12:24 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Easily the most important number in that ranking is 1044

yes, not all of those guys earned that grade solely at LT. 
I know Mailita was moved around on the line til they settled him at LT

Ah man, I read it (and voted) wrong. I thought "Yes" meant "Yes he's on notice". Serves me right for being impatient. Jokes on me lol

PFF loves them some Jonah.

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Cam Robinson just got 18.5 per over 3 so start there as a floor for Jonah.

(04-27-2022, 11:47 AM)Au165 Wrote: Cam Robinson just got 18.5 per over 3 so start there as a floor for Jonah.

Everyone seems to think that if you're not a Top 10 player at your position, draft a replacement ASAP.
Blows my mind.

Jonah Williams is a very solid player and the Bengals should keep him.
If anything, they could always move Jonah to LG if Carman isn't panning out by end of next season.
Personally, I'd keep Jonah at OT, but I think he'd also make a great LG.

(04-25-2022, 05:53 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Jonah Williams is a very good LT

I do not get the gripes with him

I think its because he has games where he is just not good. e.g. Justin Huston threw him around one of the games last year. there were others but I wanted to get an example out there. With that said we have no better prospects and nothing to draft that would start over him. he is a serviceable left tackle. 

Cam Robinson just signed a 3 year extension today for 54 million. That's 18 million a year and we all know Jonah is better than him. Anybody comfortable paying Jonah 20 million a year??? Nope not me.

(04-27-2022, 04:27 PM)pulses Wrote: Cam Robinson just signed a 3 year extension today for 54 million. That's 18 million a year and we all know Jonah is better than him. Anybody comfortable paying Jonah 20 million a year???  Nope not me.

Some team will. He's young. A fairly quality player.

Jonah is the new Justin Smith. The line was bad but Jonah was the best player, so some of the board dislikes him irrationally.

(04-27-2022, 04:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Some team will. He's young. A fairly quality player.

Jonah is the new Justin Smith. The line was bad but Jonah was the best player, so some of the board dislikes him irrationally.

I don't dislike him I think he is solid but he's not worth 20 million a year.