(08-26-2024, 02:59 PM)Synric Wrote: CeeDee Lamb's deal is done. It's Ja'Marr's turn now.

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The #Cowboys and All-Pro WR CeeDee Lamb agreed on a massive 4-year extension worth $136M, per me and @TomPelissero.

Lamb gets $100M guaranteed and a WR-record $38M signing bonus in a deal done by Tory Dandy of CAA. He’s the 2nd highest paid non-QB in NFL history. pic.twitter.com/QhfMpSErLd

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 26, 2024

 
Good he came in at under JJ's annual average, still comes down to what Cincy can do about the guaranteed money though. 

This deal should help in defining the market for Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase, too. The Justin Jefferson deal isn't quite the outlier it was 24 hours ago. So maybe this leads to some movement from Cincinnati. https://t.co/pcAD6EmzbD

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) August 26, 2024

(08-26-2024, 03:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

This deal should help in defining the market for Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase, too. The Justin Jefferson deal isn't quite the outlier it was 24 hours ago. So maybe this leads to some movement from Cincinnati. https://t.co/pcAD6EmzbD

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) August 26, 2024

Similar to what Ari Meirov was saying this morning. Which makes perfect sense.

Ja'Marr Chase did participate in some practice drills on Sunday. That doesn't necessarily mean a deal is close. But the two sides are trying...

Full 15-minute daily show (8/26/24):
A: https://t.co/Gs10UkLRR6
S: https://t.co/RKkW6J7pTG pic.twitter.com/TsExwwaiD8

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) August 26, 2024

 

Cool, something a little over what Lamb got should be about Ja'Marr's deal should be.

Chase cut his dreads off I see. Bfine will not be fine with that either lol

(08-26-2024, 03:46 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cool, something a little over what Lamb got should be about Ja'Marr's deal should be.

Chase cut his dreads off I see. Bfine will not be fine with that either lol

He cut them before TC

(08-26-2024, 03:46 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cool, something a little over what Lamb got should be about Ja'Marr's deal should be.

Chase cut his dreads off I see. Bfine will not be fine with that either lol

I think Chase should get a little under what Lamb got.  Chase had a great rookie season but teams adjusted and the last 2 years Chase hasn't been at the same level as Lamb

Lamb:

2023  1,749 yards  12 TDs  13.0 yards per reception

2022  1,359 yards  9 TDs  12.7 yards per reception

Chase:

2023  1,216 yards  7 TDs  12.2 yards per reception

2022  1,046 yards  9 TDs  12.0 yards per reception

With Lamb signing a 4 year 136 million extension with 100 million guaranteed, a fair 4 year contract extension for Chase should be about 132 million with 95 million guaranteed.

(08-26-2024, 04:02 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I think Chase should get a little under what Lamb got.  Chase had a great rookie season but teams adjusted and the last 2 years and Chase hasn't been at the same level as Lamb

Lamb:

2023  1,749 yards  12 TDs  13.0 yards per reception

2022  1,359 yards  9 TDs  12.7 yards per reception

Chase:

2023  1,216 yards  7 TDs  12.2 yards per reception

2022  1,046 yards  9 TDs  12.0 yards per reception

With Lamb signing a 4 year 136 million extension with 100 million guaranteed, a fair 4 year contract extension for Chase should be about 132 million with 95 million guaranteed.

Even known Bengals hater Kelsey Conway disagrees with you.

Ja’Marr Chase is better than CeeDee Lamb. If Lamb is getting 34 M per year, Chase deserves more.

While this deal getting done should accelerate timing on the Bengals / Chase negotiations, Justin Jefferson’s deal has always been the comp for Chase’s deal. https://t.co/DmCXPoY6a6

— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 26, 2024

As for going solely off stats I’m sure Chase’s numbers would look even better too if he got to play the Commanders and Giants 4x a season.

Players know Jones will buckle and thus Jerrah will always have star players hold out until before the season starts. It's exactly the opposite of the standard MB wants to establish.

Interesting that everyone knew Jerrah would blink and when he would.

Chase has been more team friendly then Lamb, but I still wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get the contract this offseason.

Hopefully he does because Chase has signaled through his passive aggressiveness this offseason that next will be all out war.

It's hard to argue that someone is "better" when the numbers say otherwise. We can all like Chase better, but to Lamb, his family and fans, they'll just silence the Chase is better crowd by pointing to the numbers.

And the crowd will be silenced. Or arguing with themselves until Chase can give them some retort (by putting up the numbers that these players we keep saying he's better than have).

(08-26-2024, 04:19 PM)jj22 Wrote: It's hard to argue that someone is "better" when the numbers say otherwise. We can all like Chase better, but to Lamb, his family and fans, they'll just silence the Chase is better crowd by pointing to the numbers.

And the crowd will be silenced. Or arguing with themselves until Chase can give them some retort (by putting up the numbers that these players we keep saying he's better than have).

Discussion isn’t about metrics, it’s about what the Bengals ask of Chase in their offense - he can play inside & outside and even designed plays out of the backfield. Lamb isn’t used that way.

DC’s in the NFL start and end their game plan for the Bengals around Chase.

Also,… https://t.co/h9Ucyrcl6R

— Kelsey Conway (@KelseyLConway) August 26, 2024

(08-26-2024, 04:19 PM)jj22 Wrote: It's hard to argue that someone is "better" when the numbers say otherwise. We can all like Chase better, but to Lamb, his family and fans, they'll just silence the Chase is better crowd by pointing to the numbers.

And the crowd will be silenced. Or arguing with themselves until Chase can give them some retort (by putting up the numbers that these players we keep saying he's better than have).

In the end it does not matter because rhe league views Chase at least in the top tier so his contract will be slotted in around Lamb's and Jefferson's. There won't be much quibbling now that rhe market is set same thing happened in the Joe Burrow situation.


The difference between yesterday and today is it has now it has become urgent to get Chase's deal done. The Lamb contract proved that it's a tier with Jefferson and not just an outlier so the sooner the Bengals get this done the more they can spread out the cap percentage... if they wait and Ja'Marr has 1300+ yards next year and the salary cap jumps another 20m well we could be talking 36 or 37m. 

Top WR Practical Guarantees

1. Justin Jefferson, $110M
2. CeeDee Lamb, $100M
3. A.J. Brown, $84M
4. D.J. Moore, $81.5M
5. Amon-Ra St. Brown, $77M

— Spotrac (@spotrac) August 26, 2024

And this is where the Bengals need to get out of their comfort zone. There really is no other choice if you want to sign a player like Chase.

Orlando’s deal was a step in the right direction, but this one is going to cost a hell of a lot more in guaranteed money.

(08-26-2024, 04:34 PM)Synric Wrote: In the end it does not matter because rhe league views Chase at least in the top tier so his contract will be slotted in around Lamb's and Jefferson's. There won't be much quibbling now that rhe market is set same thing happened in the Joe Burrow situation.


The difference between yesterday and today is it has now it has become urgent to get Chase's deal done. The Lamb contract proved that it's a tier with Jefferson and not just an outlier so the sooner the Bengals get this done the more they can spread out the cap percentage... if they wait and Ja'Marr has 1300+ yards next year and the salary cap jumps another 20m well we could be talking 36 or 37m. It was a similar situation for Jessie Bates he wanted a 14m extention Bengals drug their feet until the next year the cap jumped and he was like it's 16m now boys.

Why is it urgent to get Chase's deal done now?  He still has 2 years remaining on his current contract and the Bengals could easily tag him twice and still be well under what Lamb was just paid with nothing guaranteed but the current season.  Financially, the Bengals would be in much better shape to do that.   It benefits Chase to come back to the Bengals to get an extension now along the lines of what Lamb got.  If he is too greedy, he can end up screwing himself out of money.

(08-26-2024, 04:44 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Why is it urgent to get Chase's deal done now?  He still has 2 years remaining on his current contract and the Bengals could easily tag him twice and still be well under what Lamb was just paid with nothing guaranteed but the current season.  Financially, the Bengals would be in much better shape to do that.   It benefits Chase to come back to the Bengals to get an extension now along the lines of what Lamb got.  If he is too greedy, he can end up screwing himself out of money.

This is the kinda stuff that would cause players to fake injuries and sit out a year instead of playing on franchise tag. When you argue "so what?" it's tieing up massive amount of the salary cap to a player that either isn't trying to risk injury or flat out not playing when all you had to do in the first place was show him some loyalty and pay him the contract he deserves.... but to each their own I guess I'd rather see Chase paid in the most team friendly way possible which is now.

Who's better discussion is always about metrics unless you don't have the metrics.... then you get the excuses.

DC's focus on stopping Lamb and only Lamb in that offense...

The truth is as painful as it seems, if anyone for example told us that George Pickens was better than Chase, the first thing we'd point to is Chases numbers. Yards, TD, etc. 

Chase outside of his rookie year just hasn't done what some of the other elite top tier receivers have. Regardless if we see the "potential". 

(08-26-2024, 04:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Top WR Practical Guarantees

1. Justin Jefferson, $110M
2. CeeDee Lamb, $100M
3. A.J. Brown, $84M
4. D.J. Moore, $81.5M
5. Amon-Ra St. Brown, $77M

— Spotrac (@spotrac) August 26, 2024

And this is where the Bengals need to get out of their comfort zone. There really is no other choice if you want to sign a player like Chase.

Orlando’s deal was a step in the right direction, but this one is going to cost a hell of a lot more in guaranteed money.

I think the Bengals will give guaranteed money but Chase isnt getting 120 million guaranteed.  He isnt as good as Jefferson and he isnt as good as Lamb so he isnt going to get more guaranteed money than those guys.  I think realistically Chase should expect between what AJ Brown got and what Lamb got.  Maybe 90 million, maybe as high as 95.  I dont know but the 160million extension with 120 million guaranteed Chase's agent is proposing is ridiculous.  If Chase wants a deal done, come back with a serious offer that's between AJ Brown and Lamb. 

Conway is trolling.

He played slot more last year, and I'd never highlight him out of the backfield as if he was a difference maker in that role like Deebo Samuels or someone. He actually sucks on reverses and coming out of the backfield. He's best as a decoy. 

(08-26-2024, 04:54 PM)jj22 Wrote: Who's better discussion is always about metrics unless you don't have the metrics.... then you get the excuses.

DC's focus on stopping Lamb and only Lamb in that offense...

The truth is as painful as it seems, if anyone for example told us that George Pickens was better than Chase, the first thing we'd point to is Chases numbers. Yards, TD, etc. 

Chase outside of his rookie year just hasn't done what some of the other elite top tier receivers have. Regardless if we see the "potential". 

Not me. 

I'm still on the side Chase's sophomore season in the NFL was better than his rookie because of growth as a receiver and the expansion of his route tree. He was a deep ball vertical threat in 2021 that could take a slant to the house but in 2022 he was an offensive weapon lining up all over rhe formation including the back field.

(08-26-2024, 05:03 PM)Synric Wrote: Not me. 

I'm still on the side Chase's sophomore season in the NFL was better than his rookie because of growth as a receiver and the expansion of his route tree. He was a deep ball vertical threat in 2021 that could take a slant to the house but in 2022 he was an offensive weapon lining up all over rhe formation including the back field.

Is he really a threat out of the backfield?  It seems like every time he gets the ball in the backfield, it never works.

(08-26-2024, 05:08 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Is he really a threat out of the backfield?  It seems like every time he gets the ball in the backfield, it never works.

Not really no lol. Some of that has to do with the blocking to the edges too even the backs were terrible at toss/pitch plays. It sure caught defenses off-guard in late 2022 though lol.