With a night of sleep down i have to admit this is a good pick


He didn’t have the sexy sack numbers but that’s literally it. He has everything else. Measurable, youth, man strength, speed, and versatility to rush from the inside.

You can’t ask for much more at 17

(7 hours ago)Housh Wrote: With a night of sleep down i have to admit this is a good pick


He didn’t have the sexy sack numbers but that’s literally it. He has everything else. Measurable, youth, man strength, speed, and versatility to rush from the inside.

You can’t ask for much more at 17

Nor tackles for loss. Only 11 of those in 3 seasons (37 college games). In other words, he has all the measurables that you mentioned, just not actual production in the college ranks (1.5 sacks each year). Abdul Carter, for example, had 12 sacks and 23.5 tackles for loss in 16 games last season. How does someone with so much speed and strength and quickness -- accomplish so little in terms of sacks and tackles for loss? It is now going to come up to whether Golden can develop him. He must think that he can, because they did draft him knowing how poor his production was in college.

I know I am in the super minority here, but I just have zero excitement for the draft, or really care for any of the "soap opera" part of football/sports in general.  The fun is watching the games and hopefully getting wins.  It's complete and utter speculation and assumption coupled with emotions ranging from this is the best pick ever to this is the worst draft in history and everything in between.  No one has a clue how it will turn out with any given player.  None, zero.

It's all this excitement or misery around nothing more than hope and best guesses.  Pretty much none of the guys we draft will ever become starters, let alone start immediately and/or contribute positively.  It is such a long process with such a small success rate over years that it's just so slow and boring to me.  lol.

It only took reading a couple pages of draft stuff on here to remember why the "soap opera" part is so uninteresting.  Let's play some meaningful football!  The actual fun part!

With that said, don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be negative.  My interest is simply the game.  I am not down on the Bengals.  I am excited and hopeful for this season.  I hope our draft picks all end up being HOF'ers.  

Remember everyone with enough copium, any pick can be a good pick.

(Yesterday, 11:50 PM)wadirumm Wrote: This can't be true, can it? I mean either Stewart has a poor memory or our vaulted front office picked an Edge because they needed an Edge instead of best player. Or our front office is full of idiots.

My money is on the latter

(6 hours ago)Mickeypoo Wrote: I know I am in the super minority here, but I just have zero excitement for the draft, or really care for any of the "soap opera" part of football/sports in general.  The fun is watching the games and hopefully getting wins.  It's complete and utter speculation and assumption coupled with emotions ranging from this is the best pick ever to this is the worst draft in history and everything in between.  No one has a clue how it will turn out with any given player.  None, zero.

It's all this excitement or misery around nothing more than hope and best guesses.  Pretty much none of the guys we draft will ever become starters, let alone start immediately and/or contribute positively.  It is such a long process with such a small success rate over years that it's just so slow and boring to me.  lol.

It only took reading a couple pages of draft stuff on here to remember why the "soap opera" part is so uninteresting.  Let's play some meaningful football!  The actual fun part!

With that said, don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be negative.  My interest is simply the game.  I am not down on the Bengals.  I am excited and hopeful for this season.  I hope our draft picks all end up being HOF'ers.  

I like watching the players drafted react after achieving their goals and dreams.  It is something only a tiny percent of players ever accomplish and it's cool to see them make it to the NFL. Plus it is the biggest event between the the end of the season and the 1st game of the season.  So it gives us stuff to talk about.

Looking back now I see that Duke did warn us that this could very well be the guy they pick.
He said “traits are more valuable than production” at his pre-draft press conference. Sounds like they had Stewart in mind all along.

Well Stewart seems to have a big ego and a big chip on his shoulder, so let's hope he puts them to good use. The pick is the pick, so all there is to do now is root for the guy to turn into a beast.

(5 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Looking back now I see that Duke did warn us that this could very well be the guy they pick.
He said “traits are more valuable than production” at his pre-draft press conference.  Sounds like they had Stewart in mind all along.

That's quite perceptive of you. I hadn't remembered that quote,  but it does sound like Duke was thinking of Stewart when he made that statement.

I knew very little about him but the more I read & learn the more I'm liking this pick.

There are many advantages to having the coaching staff so closely invoked in the draft process but the main weakness is in that coaches tend to believe their coaching can fix things that previous coaches weren’t able to and they know how to use players better.

you know, I hated this pick. This was the one guy I didnt want. He screams total bust

but now that he is on the bengals, Im a big fan. This kid is going to be a stud!! Im reading the same 3 positive articles about him over and over to get me hyped up!

who dey!

(4 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: you know, I hated this pick. This was the one guy I didnt want. He screams total bust

but now that he is on the bengals, Im a big fan. This kid is going to be a stud!! Im reading the same 3 positive articles about him over and over to get me hyped up!

who dey!

*Shrugs*. People are allowed to change their opinion after taking in more information.

It's unfair to the kid to have to come into an environment with the kind of negativity the fan base is currently showing.  By all accounts, he seems like a high character guy that knows how to put in work.  There's a lot to work with.

Fans should (and in many cases they are) direct their venom toward the front office and Duke.  It's not a Shemar Stewart problem.  It's not an Al Golden problem.  It's really not even a Lou Anarumo, Zac Taylor, insert coach's name problem.  

It's a Bengals problem.  It likely runs all the way to the top, and it's a consistent theme.  They just love them some traits.  The love traits so much that they will ignore production or lack thereof.  Makes them go all weak in the knees every time.  

It's like buying a 25k protection dog with the best bloodlines on earth and then chaining it up in the yard for two years.  Take it to Petsmart for cheap, generic obedience training, then wonder why it can't do all of the things that other dogs of it's pedigree do regularly.  

The family and Duke honestly think they can take a guy like this and squeeze max potential out of him, but a very long history suggests otherwise.  The problem spans just about every position group other than quarterback and receiver.  

You see teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh make hay in the mid to late first like clockwork.  Lots of DL, safeties, guards, etc.  ROH caliber and sometimes HOF caliber guys.  DeCastro, Heyward, Watt, Porter Jr, Hamilton, Linderbaum, Madibuike, and on and on and on.  This shit matters.  It matter when you're paying a star qb top dollar and need to find talent when FA is not a viable option.  These are difference makers.  Might not be at premium positions, but they impact games every single week.

  The Bengals stick to their stupid high-value positions and just can't bring themselves to not look a gift horse like Starks or Harmon in the mouth.  You can lie all you want, but we all know that not a single person on this board feels good about how Shemar will compare to those two after three seasons of NFL snaps.

(4 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: you know, I hated this pick. This was the one guy I didnt want. He screams total bust

but now that he is on the bengals, Im a big fan. This kid is going to be a stud!! Im reading the same 3 positive articles about him over and over to get me hyped up!

who dey!

You can read my Senior Bowl Mock in the draft section to make it four!

Fingers crossed this dude follows the path of Von Miller and Myles Garrett from A&M and not an outcome we're accustomed to in Bengals land.

(7 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: Nor tackles for loss. Only 11 of those in 3 seasons (37 college games). In other words, he has all the measurables that you mentioned, just not actual production in the college ranks (1.5 sacks each year). Abdul Carter, for example, had 12 sacks and 23.5 tackles for loss in 16 games last season. How does someone with so much speed and strength and quickness -- accomplish so little in terms of sacks and tackles for loss? It is now going to come up to whether Golden can develop him. He must think that he can, because they did draft him knowing how poor his production was in college.

When I saw his tape, I saw that he had his head down a lot and was too focused on beating his man and then he had to locate the play.  They need to teach him to rely upon his god given ability but keep his head up, for quicker play recognition.  And that can be taught.

Neither Lou or our former OL coach were talent developers, especially on the OL.  I am hopeful, especially after listening to them in interviews, that we actually hired guys with this skill.  

But this is where we are, and I guess we'll see with Stewart and Murphy.

(4 hours ago)samhain Wrote: It's unfair to the kid to have to come into an environment with the kind of negativity the fan base is currently showing.  By all accounts, he seems like a high character guy that knows how to put in work.  There's a lot to work with.

Fans should (and in many cases they are) direct their venom toward the front office Duke.  It's not a Shemar Stewart problem.  It's not an Al Golden problem.  It's really not even a Lou Anarumo, Zac Taylor, insert coach's name problem.  

It's a Bengals problem.  It likely runs all the way to the top, and it's a consistent theme.  They just love them some traits.  The love traits so much that they will ignore production or lack thereof.  Makes them go all weak in the knees every time.  

It's like buying a 25k protection dog with the best bloodlines on earth and then chaining it up in the yard for two years.  Take it to Petsmart for cheap, generic obedience training, then wonder why it can't do all of the things that other dogs of it's pedigree do regularly.  

The family and Duke honestly think they can take a guy like this and squeeze max potential out of him, but a very long history suggests otherwise.  The problem spans just about every position group other than quarterback and receiver.  

You see teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh make hay in the mid to late first like clockwork.  Lots of DL, safeties, guards, etc.  ROH caliber and sometimes HOF caliber guys.  DeCastro, Heyward, Watt, Porter Jr, Hamilton, Linderbaum, Madibuike, and on and on and on.  This shit matters.  It matter when you're paying a star qb top dollar and need to find talent when FA is not a viable option.  These are difference makers.  Might not be at premium positions, but they impact games every single week.

  The Bengals stick to their stupid high-value positions and just can't bring themselves to not look a gift horse like Starks or Harmon in the mouth.  You can lie all you want, but we all know that not a single person on this board feels good about how Shemar will compare to those two after three seasons of NFL snaps.

Amen. 

It is reaching/risking at a premium position instead of just taking the stud at a lesser position. We tgen compound the problem by taking the lesser positions later, when the studs are gone, and then we get more risks/busts & low impact guys there there, too (Carman, Carter, D. Sample, Volson, etc.).

(3 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Amen. 

It is reaching/risking at a premium position instead of just taking the stud at a lesser position. We tgen compound the problem by taking the lesser positions later, when the studs are gone, and then we get more risks/busts & low impact guys there there, too (Carman, Carter, D. Sample, Volson, etc.).

When you say low impact vs all-out bust, I think this is telling.  It's hard to call anyone after the second round a bust.  You're getting into players with multiple flaws and gaps by round three.  You're playing with house money if you get starters in those rounds.  Impact is the thing.  If Shemar works out, it's likely going to be through a longer process of development than most of us hope for.  Malaki Starks IMO would have started on day 1 and very likely ended the Jesse Bates discussions that have gone on for the last 2 years.  Now both the question of safety and the question of edge remain, but our first round capital does not.  This is a failure IMO.  It's how you waste the greatest player in your franchise's history's prime.

(2 hours ago)samhain Wrote: When you say low impact vs all-out bust, I think this is telling.  It's hard to call anyone after the second round a bust.  You're getting into players with multiple flaws and gaps by round three.  You're playing with house money if you get starters in those rounds.  Impact is the thing.  If Shemar works out, it's likely going to be through a longer process of development than most of us hope for.  Malaki Starks IMO would have started on day 1 and very likely ended the Jesse Bates discussions that have gone on for the last 2 years.  Now both the question of safety and the question of edge remain, but our first round capital does not.  This is a failure IMO.  It's how you waste the greatest player in your franchise's history's prime.

theyre doing an excellent job at it