(10 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sounds good to me. Agree, it has to be incentive laden like Tee's deal was. I think they end up getting something done down the road.

But I still think it would be smart for him to hire a new agent like Tee did as well. Been a ton of questionable stuff coming from this guy 
for the last couple of years. Trey has shown no sign of falling off yet, but as history shows it happens at his age to Ends.

An incentive laden contract is kind of an insult for Trey. He's healthy and he produces. He's getting older, so a front loaded contract with outs at the end is more apt here. 

(9 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I could see this as well, but I think also the guaranteed portion is where they may be far apart.

I have said, give Trey a 5 to 10 million signing extension bonus, that takes his guaranteed money from 15.8 to 20.8- 25.8 million. Then extend him for 2 years, 28 to 30 million in 2026 with 60% guaranteed, high end Trey gets 18 more million guaranteed in 2026 on top of the high end 25.8 million. Last year pay him 32 million based on incentives and no guarantee.

I think they is a fair office, take him to a mimimum guarantted earnings of 43.8 with opportunity if he performs to make an addition 72 million in next 3 years.

No offense to you, but I feel like you're way off. The first number of any contract for the two time running league leader in sacks should begin with a 3, rather than a 2.

(10 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: I think the FO is unprepared for everything.  

Good post. I agree.

(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: An incentive laden contract is kind of an insult for Trey. He's healthy and he produces. He's getting older, so a front loaded contract with outs at the end is more apt here. 

Exactly

someone else made an interesting comment I thought, if you don't pay your old stars, why would any rookies want to work hard on your team or why would a vet want to come to your team?

most players are motivated by money (ahem, myles Garrett, I'll stay on this trash team).

(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: An incentive laden contract is kind of an insult for Trey. He's healthy and he produces. He's getting older, so a front loaded contract with outs at the end is more apt here. 

It definitely is.

Bengals or Trey should leak the offers. I wish the NFL made more player trades like the NBA does.

Ultimately though I'm kind of over this drama. It's been mismanaged by Trey and his agent just as much as the Bengals perceived screw up.

(8 hours ago)reuben.ahmed Wrote: someone else made an interesting comment I thought, if you don't pay your old stars, why would any rookies want to work hard on your team or why would a vet want to come to your team?

most players are motivated by money (ahem, myles Garrett, I'll stay on this trash team).

Yeah one thing I thought was silly was when he was asked if the relationship between him and the team could go back to normal.  He said he didn't know, which is righteous bullshit.  If they pony up the money, all will be forgiven quickly.

I love Tre but i also feel he was not upfront with Bengals after they signed him to last contract, now he wants loyalty but he wasn't very boyle with his last contract commitment. I said all along very unlikely.The bengals will sign the big 3.They chose higgins over trey, many aren't here one of that.So i'm surprised so many people are complaining about not signing him now also. At this point i'm just letting him sit if he wants, save money get through the year find someone else

(8 hours ago)QueenCity Wrote: Bengals or Trey should leak the offers. I wish the NFL made more player trades like the NBA does.

Ultimately though I'm kind of over this drama. It's been mismanaged by Trey and his agent just as much as the Bengals perceived screw up.

This whole offseason has been talking about Chase Tee and Trey.

I delete any podcasters videos off timeline that referred to any of these stories.

I have watched fewer videos this off season compared to the last 5 years just a bunch of redundant BS regurgitated over and over again with the needle on the stories hardly ever moving.

(8 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: No offense to you, but I feel like you're way off. The first number of any contract for the two time running league leader in sacks should begin with a 3, rather than a 2.

Normally I would agree. Problem is the FO should not tear up 2025. The higher numbers should be for 2026 and 2027 and highly incintivized.

If it begins we a 3, in my opinion it also should be tied to incentives (no guarantees).

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Normally I would agree. Problem is the FO should not tear up 2025. The higher numbers should be for 2026 and 2027 and highly incintivized.

If it begins we a 3, in my opinion it also should be tied to incentives (no guarantees).

The league has changed recently. The contracts are now loaded with the guaranteed portion in the early years. They won't be "tearing up" a contract, but rather extending it for another couple of years.

(8 hours ago)reuben.ahmed Wrote: someone else made an interesting comment I thought, if you don't pay your old stars, why would any rookies want to work hard on your team or why would a vet want to come to your team?

most players are motivated by money (ahem, myles Garrett, I'll stay on this trash team).

They have paid well on second contracts (rookies) and vets in FA, it is the current deal as most will not come if not paid well.

Trey signed 2 contracts with the Bengals, he agreed to them. There is no doubt Bengals got a deal as Trey outperformed. But look around, how did Browns do paying Watson. Ravens paying Tucker. Saints paying Carr. 

Everyone wants to ignore the risk the team takes on. Same people want to sign Trey for 32 to 40 million get upset we don't bring in more expensive FA vets.

It takes to tango, Bengals made an offer, Trey refused to dance.

No one realistically thinks Trey will forfeit money to sit out the season at his age. Which is the exact reason the Bengals hold all the cards.

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Normally I would agree. Problem is the FO should not tear up 2025. The higher numbers should be for 2026 and 2027 and highly incintivized.

If it begins we a 3, in my opinion it also should be tied to incentives (no guarantees).

Guy has started 78 games in the last 5 seasons (15.6 per year) with 70.5 sacks (14.1 per year) and you're going to offer him an incentive laiden contract?

Clown move. 

(6 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: The league has changed recently. The contracts are now loaded with the guaranteed portion in the early years. They won't be "tearing up" a contract, but rather extending it for another couple of years.

Has it changed for 31 year old DE's? If so, how much? Let;s see how the Steelers pay Watt and the guaranteed portion before we pass judgement on the Bengals FO. We have no idea what was offered. We do know right now Trey gets older daily and right now he only has 15.8 million guaranteed. The Bengals would be crazy to give him a 15 million dollar bonus to take him to 30.8 million in 2025, then pay him 32 to 35 million a year also in 2026 and 2027.

Also, let's not forget he already pocketed a 10 million bonus 2 years ago in addition to his yearly salaries. Yes still underpaid, but the extension should be more about 2026 and 2027 from a team perspective, problem is Trey has his own perspective and neither side will get what they want.

(6 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Guy has started 78 games in the last 5 seasons (15.6 per year) with 70.5 sacks (14.1 per year) and you're going to offer him an incentive laiden contract?

Clown move. 

Yes, he is 31 year old. Iam saying something like a 25 million base and then 10 million in incentives. If he produces, he gets all of the money. Why shouldn't the team leverage performance in the extension?

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Has it changed for 31 year old DE's? If so, how much? Let;s see how the Steelers pay Watt and the guaranteed portion before we pass judgement on the Bengals FO. We have no idea what was offered. We do know right now Trey gets older daily and right now he only has 15.8 million guaranteed. The Bengals would be crazy to give him a 15 million dollar bonus to take him to 30.8 million in 2025, then pay him 32 to 35 million a year also in 2026 and 2027.

Also, let's not forget he already pocketed a 10 million bonus 2 years ago in addition to his yearly salaries. Yes still underpaid, but the extension should be more about 2026 and 2027 from a team perspective, problem is Trey has his own perspective and neither side will get what they want.

He's not 31, stop trying to "age" him. He won't turn 31 until late in the season. As a matter of fact, I played adult football at the Semi-Pro level. I had my best season ever at age 32. Take that for what you will, but I also played DE, and Guard when needed, as well as DT in a pinch or even DT and ILB when needed. 

Think about that. I had my best season at age 32, and I still worked a physical job every day of the week. Imagine what a pro athlete who also has good genetics can do past age 30.

(9 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not sure we can follow a statement about how much money was rumored to be offered with "just facts". 
Have any rumored money offered turned out to be true when said contract was signed? It doesn't feel like it which makes me skeptical. 

Yes we paid Chase and Tee but we handcuffed ourselves by front loading the contracts. If we aren't the worst front office we are bottom 5 and it's becoming glaring with the QB and WRs we have.

I guess lastly it's not so much we've mistreated Trey as of now although not upping his salary since he's outplayed his contract isn't great. If we tell him it's play with his current contract or sit than that is bad and no other team would do that. But it's beyond Trey we don't treat players very good and we have a history of this so it's nothing new. 

One would just hope that when we finally have an elite QB the front office might try and up they're game but they haven't thus far.

(8 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: No one knows what was offered. That's the complete truth no one knows so let's not assume he turned down money. Tee switched agents and the deal got done. That's not because Tee's original agent was bad. That agent wouldn't take the deal because NO OTHER team in the league would offer the deal the way the Bengals did. He can't take the deal if he's trying to get his client a deal that all other 31 teams would give. Chases agent just took the deal because Tee wanted it. 

The only assumption I would make about Trey is that he's already taken the Bengals very team friendly deals in the past. That would point me to the fact that he's most likely not being unreasonable.

Well at the same time they were reporting what Ja'Marr and Tee were getting offered and it came out pretty close for them after we saw the results.

I agree that Trey has taken team friendly deals and we don't know the exact offer though, I just don't think as of late the Bengals have treated their 
players poorly.

(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: An incentive laden contract is kind of an insult for Trey. He's healthy and he produces. He's getting older, so a front loaded contract with outs at the end is more apt here. 

Cannot disagree Rfaulk. It just sucks for him being the one out of the top 3 that didn't sign the initial contract. We only have 27 mil in cap space now
and he evidently wants more than 32 mil per year. Need to free up some dough.