(Yesterday, 01:14 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: The lesson learned should be that other passionate fans..are allowed opinion also...eg...Burrow and Herbert were drafted same year...many wanted the team to trade the 1st pick and get Herbert.. The management of the Bengals...the Brown Family..decided otherwise..we have joe burrow a very good quarterback that has added immeasureably..at so many levels to this franchise...and .. by the way..as lucky as we are to have burrow...let us not forget the team was abysmal his first year...the Brown Family...was and is responsible for the building of the team around burrow...time for golf and Pappy...have a great day

(Yesterday, 12:45 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Quick summary:

Random dude: Bengals ownership is the main reason why the team has a good winning record the last 4 years.

Me: Incorrect, Burrow is the reason why the team has won games the past 4 years.

Essex: You're incorrect is incorrect because it might be Chase.

Dude couldn't comprehend the conversation is about the value of ownership v the player and the retorts with the panties remark. My incorrect comment is addressing the Brown family as owners. It wasn't a conversation about individual players contributions to winning. 

My lesson learned is it is dumb as hell of me to engage posters who continuously put together poorly written posts.

Actually what you should avoid are the endless circular argument, which represent 90% of this and the Trey Update thread.....circular arguments which you are one of the ones, guilty of propagating endlessly. 

(Yesterday, 05:39 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Eric1 is a highly educated man

(Yesterday, 03:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I 100% agree with you on certain scenarios like this.
Going that fast gives risk of something like Henry Ruggs happening.
Very dangerous not only to self but to others.

With that said, I do think a blanket clause can be easily misinterpreted and leave players overly vulnerable, so certain situations need to be called out in the contract.
If that's not done, I can see why a player may want to hold off until specific examples are clarified in the contract.

And now we find out that before getting the ticket for triple digit speed in a 60-mph zone, he failed to show up for court on a ticket he got prior to this one. This dude just does not get it. 

(Yesterday, 01:29 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Now you're just making a fallacious argument. If you believed this lesson you wouldn't continue to make the same replies over and over to random posters who do not favor ownership.

Please stick to critiquing the bengals and specific topics.I think the Brown family has evolved from the past and are doing a reasonably good job..If others do not agree it is my right to respond and prsent facts that will support my position

With as much negative press the Brown family has received the last two offseasons, now just isn't the time to act like they have "evolved" and have had a great run. 

(6 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: Please stick to critiquing the bengals and specific topics.I think the Brown family has evolved from the past and are doing a reasonably good job..If others do not agree it is my right to respond and prsent facts that will support my position

I agree with this stance in bold.

Every poster is permitted to have their own opinions, and providing any facts/evidence to support said opinion is appreciated.
With that said, there might still be disagreements on certain things because different people value different things and some things are purely subjective, even if one/both sides come with supporting arguments.

No one is required to engage in discussion with anyone on this board, and the block feature exists for those who just don't wanna see posts from certain individuals anymore 

I actually will agree that the Bengals have evolved "some," as they have done things in the Taylor era they didn't do prior.
They just arguably are not still quite in line with most of the other orgs from a common processing perspective.

If an opinion is supported by facts is it an opinion? I believe people can say whatever they feel, based off of experience, history, knowledge, emotions or whatever. Most of the time it's to lead to discussion or discourse especially on a message board. 

You don't have to have facts to back up an opinion or it wouldn't be an opinion it would be a fact. Indisputable, and nondebatable. 

(4 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: If an opinion is supported by facts is it an opinion? I believe people can say whatever they feel, based off of experience, history, knowledge, emotions or whatever. Most of the time it's to lead to discussion or discourse especially on a message board. 

You don't have to have facts to back up an opinion or it wouldn't be an opinion it would be a fact. Indisputable, and nondebatable. 

Yep. Sometimes...

A fact can be used in an opinion when context is involved. You can look at the positives the Bengals have done in a vacuum; sign Burrow, sign Chase and Tee, great FA haul in '20 and '21 that boosted the playoff defenses, great record the last 4 years. You can look at those things and say they're doing a good job but when you provide context; they always pay franchise QBs, they could have signed them for less money earlier and they could have structured their contracts this year differently, many other FA misses other than those years and losing key players to other teams, their record the last 2 of those 4 years is only 18-16, your stance is going to be different. 

Therefore, both are opinions based on facts and context. 

The Sun rising in the east isn't an opinion because it happens the exact same way every single day with not one day of anything even slightly different. If you see the sunrise in the morning is an opinion, because some days the sky is clear and some days it's cloudy.

(Yesterday, 12:45 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Quick summary:

Random dude: Bengals ownership is the main reason why the team has a good winning record the last 4 years.

Me: Incorrect, Burrow is the reason why the team has won games the past 4 years.

Essex: You're incorrect is incorrect because it might be Chase.

Dude couldn't comprehend the conversation is about the value of ownership v the player and the retorts with the panties remark. My incorrect comment is addressing the Brown family as owners. It wasn't a conversation about individual players contributions to winning. 

My lesson learned is it is dumb as hell of me to engage posters who continuously put together poorly written posts.

Yeah, sometimes it is best to just ignore people like this. The FO at best has done an okay job. Burrow is what puts us over the top and gives us a
shot at winning every year along with Chase, Tee and his weapons on Offense. If we could just go the extra mile and put a great OL in front of him 
and get our Defense to middle of the pack I think most of the negative towards the ownership would go away.

I do think we are upgraded on the IOL and I do believe coaching was the biggest problem on Defense so we could end up being all good anyways,
but I just wish the FO went the extra mile and ensured it.

(Yesterday, 12:56 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote:

(2 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I do think we are upgraded on the IOL

Fingers crossed as I'm liking Fairchild and hope he proves to be a great player!

(5 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I agree with this stance in bold.

Every poster is permitted to have their own opinions, and providing any facts/evidence to support said opinion is appreciated.
With that said, there might still be disagreements on certain things because different people value different things and some things are purely subjective, even if one/both sides come with supporting arguments.

No one is required to engage in discussion with anyone on this board, and the block feature exists for those who just don't wanna see posts from certain individuals anymore 

I actually will agree that the Bengals have evolved "some," as they have done things in the Taylor era they didn't do prior.
They just arguably are not still quite in line with most of the other orgs from a common processing perspective.

I am just happy that we have an NFL football team...and a MLB baseball team..The deficiences in the way the Bengals were run for so many years stood out and criticism of Mike Brown was indeed warranted..But things have changed dramatically the past few years..for the better....and...I think that if the team stays healthy..its gonna be a good year

(6 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: With as much negative press the Brown family has received the last two offseasons, now just isn't the time to act like they have "evolved" and have had a great run. 

Perhaps you should spend some time reading critiques from national sportswriters about other NFL teams..no team and ownership is immune

(2 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: Fingers crossed as I'm liking Fairchild and hope he proves to be a great player!

1000%

(2 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, sometimes it is best to just ignore people like this. The FO at best has done an okay job. Burrow is what puts us over the top and gives us a
shot at winning every year along with Chase, Tee and his weapons on Offense. If we could just go the extra mile and put a great OL in front of him 
and get our Defense to middle of the pack I think most of the negative towards the ownership would go away.

I do think we are upgraded on the IOL and I do believe coaching was the biggest problem on Defense so we could end up being all good anyways,
but I just wish the FO went the extra mile and ensured it.

Al golden..so far..seems very intelligent and impressive

Let's see. This dude has yet to take one snap in the NFL and is holding out for what, more money? If I got 1/16th of what he demands I would play and be content money -wise for the rest of my life. So, if he holds out until whenever will he be ready to play ??

Being 72 yo old I suppose I just don't get it. Take the contract, save 85% of it at least , live frugally , and then be happy. He will be an automatic millionaire. I just don't get it. Did he not go to college and has he a degree in something worth it? If not, finish, and then be happy. IEhen the time comes he can not play in the NFL go be an engineer or accountant or nurse or teacher and be happy.

(1 hour ago)ERIC1 Wrote: Perhaps you should spend some time reading critiques from national sportswriters about other NFL teams..no team and ownership is immune

Said no one but you. 

(4 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: If an opinion is supported by facts is it an opinion? I believe people can say whatever they feel, based off of experience, history, knowledge, emotions or whatever. Most of the time it's to lead to discussion or discourse especially on a message board. 

You don't have to have facts to back up an opinion or it wouldn't be an opinion it would be a fact. Indisputable, and nondebatable. 

Ok here is how the scientific method works.

You have a theory (or opinion)
You state the facts which support your theory
You draw conclusions based upon the facts which support your theory (opinion)

Someone else can look at the same facts and draw a different conclusion.  That's how one can have multiple viable theories produced from the same set of data.  The facts themselves are what they are, but most theories (opinions) are based upon multiple facts and how they relate.

The problem with a message board is that people take single facts and draw absolute conclusions, which is bad science and leads to bad opinions.

A theory (opinion) without facts, is as useful as tits on a bull.  On an open forum like this, people can state opinions without facts, but they need to be prepared to be mocked ruthlessly for their idiocy.