(Yesterday, 03:13 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I stand by my posts Fant was not offered a contract. I have seen nothing stating we offered Fant anything. I have seen he had a nice visit and will stay in touch. 
So, the truth is saying otherwise is a myth (lie). I know you want the FO tarred and feathered, but it is disappointing you perpetuate propaganda to do it.

Whether he was offered a contract could be a myth. Them lowballing potential suitors is not a myth. 1/2 point for each of us?

(Yesterday, 03:05 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, that's kind of what I meant. If they loved him, they wouldn't have let him leave the building. If they liked him, they may have said "here's your offer, we like you this much," and go see if someone else likes you more because this is our offer. If not, call us and the offer is still on the table. Or maybe they didn't make an offer, who knows.

I have no issue with speculation, but not a fan of jumping to bashing the FO with a myth.

I know I am on an island and many more FO haters exist, but being in the minority and getting constantly attacked for being honest does not deter me. So have at it FO haters, start your peronal attacks...............again as moderators seem to be in the majority with you so will allow those attacks

(Yesterday, 03:15 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Whether he was offered a contract could be a myth. Them lowballing potential suitors is not a myth. 1/2 point for each of us?

I was vey specific and even saidlots of examples to use to make your point.

So no, this is and was about Fant so no points for you from me, but your many shared FO haters will love you, mabe give you the best FO hater award in 2025. 

(Yesterday, 03:05 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, that's kind of what I meant. If they loved him, they wouldn't have let him leave the building. If they liked him, they may have said "here's your offer, we like you this much," and go see if someone else likes you more because this is our offer. If not, call us and the offer is still on the table. Or maybe they didn't make an offer, who knows.

NFL Teams don't pay for travel, car service, hotel room and meal expenses, unless they want a player. 

They know what a vet can bring to the Team by film. So it is a matter of dollars and duration of contract.

Bengals did this with Hudson and Gesicki. Both signed one year deals.

If Fant wants the Burrow resurrection deal, he will be here. 

Gesicki is on a one-year $12M deal now. The question is if Fant sees a future with Bengals next year and beyond. 

(Yesterday, 03:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was vey specific and even saidlots of examples to use to make your point.

So no, this is and was about Fant so no points for you from me, but your many shared FO haters will love you, mabe give you the best FO hater award in 2025. 

(Yesterday, 03:20 PM)XsandOs Wrote: NFL Teams don't pay for travel, car service, hotel room and meal expenses, unless they want a player. 

They know what a vet can bring to the Team by film. So it is a matter of dollars and duration of contract.

Bengals did this with Hudson and Gesicki. Both signed one year deals.

If Fant wants the Burrow resurrection deal, he will be here. 

Gesicki is on a one-year $12M deal now. The question is if Fant sees a future with Bengals next year and beyond. 

How many NFL players take visits and leave with no contract offer in hand? I would estimate a lot so sorry they do spend money to kick the tires and work the players out. It appears he left with no contract offer in hand.

A lot are offered deals, but many are not as well. To assume a player will be offered a deal everytime is a huge reach in my humble opinion. They may have with Fant or they may have said we can't meet your demands, come back if you can't find a taker. Or we may have said good visit, but need time to see if you fit the JB offense.

(Yesterday, 02:24 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Actually 3.7ypc with ALlL eith snap count, he made some nice blocks but did not alter our running game from when he was not in.  Right now he is a after thought to Bengals thinking I would sau

Eric All might be an afterthought as far as this season goes, but the idea of having a versatile "move" TE in order to effectively run 12 personnel is apparently in the forefront of the Bengals minds, as evidenced by bringing Noah Fant in for a visit.

(Yesterday, 03:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Eric All might be an afterthought as far as this season goes, but the idea of having a versatile "move" TE in order to effectively run 12 personnel is apparently in the forefront of the Bengals minds, as evidenced by bringing Noah Fant in for a visit.

If it makes the TE room better , I am All for it!   Seriously though, he probably would make that room better for this season, so I would welcome the signing. 

There's no reason for Fant to sign at the first place he visits. He's going to weigh his options and sign where it benefits him most. 

(Yesterday, 03:57 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: There's no reason for Fant to sign at the first place he visits. He's going to weigh his options and sign where it benefits him most. 

I agree he knows he will have a few options so he will try and find the most money and best fit with money as the motivator.

(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no issue with speculation, but not a fan of jumping to bashing the FO with a myth.

I know I am on an island and many more FO haters exist, but being in the minority and getting constantly attacked for being honest does not deter me. So have at it FO haters, start your peronal attacks...............again as moderators seem to be in the majority with you so will allow those attacks

Well I'm definitely not a FO hater and get bashed for just trying to be fair when it comes to them.

(Yesterday, 03:49 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: If it makes the TE room better , I am All for it!   Seriously though, he probably would make that room better for this season, so I would welcome the signing. 

If I were going to spend money to upgrade a room right now, the TE room would be way down on the list. I'm really surprised they even brought him in with two DE's not at camp.

(Yesterday, 04:08 PM)Sled21 Wrote:
Well I'm definitely not a FO hater and get bashed for just trying to be fair when it comes to them.

I never said you were 

(Yesterday, 04:10 PM)Sled21 Wrote: If I were going to spend money to upgrade a room right now, the TE room would be way down on the list. I'm really surprised they even brought him in with two DE's not at camp.

Where is the equivalent of a Noah Fant at DE on the FA market?

(Yesterday, 03:57 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: There's no reason for Fant to sign at the first place he visits. He's going to weigh his options and sign where it benefits him most. 

and I speculate "benefits him the most" equates to the team that offers the most amount of guaranteed money. I'll also perpetuate ruthless myths, lies, and dastardly propaganda by speculating the Bengals won't offer the money he wants. 

Delusional poster anointing themselves as pure and honest in 1, 2, 3...

(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no issue with speculation, but not a fan of jumping to bashing the FO with a myth.

I know I am on an island and many more FO haters exist, but being in the minority and getting constantly attacked for being honest does not deter me. So have at it FO haters, start your peronal attacks...............again as moderators seem to be in the majority with you so will allow those attacks

Some on here  i think  that's  what they live for I think even when no to little facts exist, then they forget about they posts when they end up wrong

(Yesterday, 03:20 PM)XsandOs Wrote: NFL Teams don't pay for travel, car service, hotel room and meal expenses, unless they want a player. 

They know what a vet can bring to the Team by film. So it is a matter of dollars and duration of contract.

Bengals did this with Hudson and Gesicki. Both signed one year deals.

If Fant wants the Burrow resurrection deal, he will be here. 

Gesicki is on a one-year $12M deal now. The question is if Fant sees a future with Bengals next year and beyond. 

(Yesterday, 03:31 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How many NFL players take visits and leave with no contract offer in hand? I would estimate a lot so sorry they do spend money to kick the tires and work the players out. It appears he left with no contract offer in hand.

A lot are offered deals, but many are not as well. To assume a player will be offered a deal everytime is a huge reach in my humble opinion. They may have with Fant or they may have said we can't meet your demands, come back if you can't find a taker. Or we may have said good visit, but need time to see if you fit the JB offense.

Bengals jumped ahead of other interested Teams to simply "kick the tires" and "work the player out"? 

Teams do not bring in players just to "kick the tires" and "work" them out, without interest in signing them. The "tire kicking" is done before the visit, usually with the player's agent. With a vet like Fant without history of serious injuries and 6 years of film, there would not be workouts either.

During the visit, the player may or may not take a Medical (contracts pending physical are not uncommon). They do meet with coaches, do a facility tour, do some film and meet with some players. Then get down to discussion with the GM. If the offer makes sense, then the agent gets involved (that depends on whether the agent visits along with the player or remotely). Players who visit without their reps, get prepped with numbers in advance by their agents. 

In the bolded, you are assuming that he was not offered a contract, by your "no contract offer in hand" comment. 

If we disagree, that is fine. But a player visit is serious business. Unless there is a glaring issue such as a physical or mental/background find, numbers are discussed (low ball or not).  

I never said a player vsiting is not serious business. Of course their time and money is extremely important so they have strong interests in a player when they bring them in.

(Yesterday, 04:10 PM)Sled21 Wrote: If I were going to spend money to upgrade a room right now, the TE room would be way down on the list. I'm really surprised they even brought him in with two DE's not at camp.

I read that Murphy walked off, but then was seen riding the cart, yesterday. No doubt that DE is looking mighty thin. 

This rook looks like a certified bust to me. He only has 4.5 sacks in 3 seasons at A&M. I've seen several pictures of him and he is obviously stoned in them' I'm not knocking the weed, I'm a musician fgs, but he isn't! 

Fant would have to be a one year, low end, prove it kind of deal, imo. 

DE is no doubt the elephant in the room.