(05-11-2021, 02:52 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: Wes,  didn't you know we're a team that builds through the draft? But somehow we don't actually invest in the scouting department necessary to do justice to that statement. Apparently all it takes to build through the draft is to subscribe to the same " scouting services" as all other teams in the league. Having your home grown well built scouting staff is for suckers who don't know how to pocket a GM bonus from the work done by "scouting services" and coaches.

Model model and all that. Except when it comes to investing in the scouting department like the aforementioned model. Then,  it's "what model, we have access to all the same scouting services as everybody else." Honestly,  the whole "building through the draft" statement just seems like a deflection.

WTS, at least they've been opening their wallets in FA the last couple years,  so perhaps they see just how lacking they are in their drafting and scouting. Maybe they'll slowly start upgrading the football side of the business in the next few years.  We'll see.

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

(05-11-2021, 02:56 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Problem is they can only keep spending money like they did this off season for 2 more seasons then JoeyB gets his big pay day and say good bye to a lot of the spare money for free agency.  

It'll take a lot for this team to ever change the operations side of the business.  Mikey boy was ridden hard by the local and national media back in the 90's and early 2000's for having such a small front office and he said exactly what you said above "they have access to everything every one else does".  

(05-11-2021, 03:01 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: But we have cool new uniforms and a witty social media team! 

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

(05-11-2021, 03:09 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Browns are good proof the size of the Front Office doesnt always mean much

(05-11-2021, 03:25 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Xeno, the Browns front office now has competent people in place.    

I can't stand the Browns but whoever is currently in charge of that operation up there is killing it.

Whoever is in charge in Baltimore and Pittsburgh always kill it.  

Hell I can't tell you the last time the Stoolers had a losing season.  

The Ravens always seem to be in the running for the AFC North.  

The Bengal's were in that mix for 12 years and then the last 5 years happened. 

(05-11-2021, 01:52 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: No, I don't think there's one even remotely close.

(05-11-2021, 04:19 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: This just further drives the point home of how poorly ran this team has been. You can say what you want about the Browns or try and make it sound like it's not that bad, but 192-284-4 while also being winless in the playoffs speaks for itself. EVERY team has won a playoff game since the last time the Bengals have. Obviously Mike Brown's way doesn't work, but he doesn't seem too concerned with changing it. He brings in a loser coach and opens up his wallet in free agency and this team still goes 6-25-1. Maybe more of the problem is with the front office or lack thereof than anything else. I fully expect the change in free agency to be used against fans wanting change as showing that it also doesn't work.

I was ready for Marvin to be gone as much as the next guy, but we really should build a statue of him outside the stadium. Marvin was 131-122-3 and has the only playoff appearances under owner/GM Mike Brown. Marvin Lewis coached 68% of the wins in the Mike Brown era. In 16 years he won 131 while the other 14 years of Mike's brilliance only brought 61 wins (an average of 4.3 wins per season).

With the exception of Marvin Lewis, everything Mike Brown, his family, and friends do is wrong. They really should learn from the rest of the league if they really want to make fans believe they care about winning more than lining their pockets.

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable. The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

(05-11-2021, 02:45 PM)Synric Wrote: So with the scouting department sizes listed is there drafting efficiency numbers?

Edit: Football Outsiders did a a draft effenicy chart and put the Bengals at 22nd from 2010 to 2019.
Steelers are 4th, Ravens 6th, and the Browns 31st.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

(05-11-2021, 06:07 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You sure about that Wes? Here's the Patriots 2020 war room during the draft...

(05-11-2021, 10:11 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Yeah, yeah, but we have The Mel Kuyper...

https://youtu.be/a2kGUlIaKdw

(05-11-2021, 02:52 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: Wes, didn't you know we're a team that builds through the draft? But somehow we don't actually invest in the scouting department necessary to do justice to that statement. Apparently all it takes to build through the draft is to subscribe to the same " scouting services" as all other teams in the league. Having your home grown well built scouting staff is for suckers who don't know how to pocket a GM bonus from the work done by "scouting services" and coaches.

Model model and all that. Except when it comes to investing in the scouting department like the aforementioned model. Then, it's "what model, we have access to all the same scouting services as everybody else." Honestly, the whole "building through the draft" statement just seems like a deflection away from cheapness in FA.

WTS, at least they've been opening their wallets in FA the last couple years, so perhaps they see just how lacking they are in their drafting and scouting. Maybe they'll slowly start upgrading the football side of the business in the next few years. We'll see.

(05-11-2021, 10:32 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: This is the point that has always laid bare Mike’s bullshit. Scouts are cheap. Professing to be a draft building team only works when you hit on draft picks. It stands to reason that you’d have a robust scouting and personnel department to maximize the chances of finding late round difference makers. Invest several million into scouting salaries instead of a huge FA contract. Instead the Bengals have a smaller scouting staff than most D-1 college teams. Hell, Ohio University has almost as many scouts as an NFL Team https://www.ohiobobcats.com/information/directory/home

The Bengals’ primary strategy is to maintain comfortable annual profits and enrich Mike and his kids. Winning has always been secondary. Their business model, threadbare front office, and miserly facility spending make this obvious.