Is Shemar holding out?

[Stewy]

(06-13-2025, 06:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Time will only tell, but it wasn't exactly an offseason to get overly hyped about, especially on the FA front.

When is it ever?

[Luvnit2]

(06-13-2025, 06:24 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: If what Dehner says is true “It is my understanding they're offering the same language in this clause as the majority of first-round contracts and, for reference, have offered the exact language of the pick before (Walter Nolen) and after (Grey Zabel).”, then Stewart does not have a leg to stand on. I’m more apt to believe Dehner than a player’s agent. It doesn’t matter what the team has done in the past. In fact we should be praising the FO for trying to catch up to the rest of the league in contract language.

That is the problem, we have no way of knowing which version is accurate. Maybe we will in time, but Dehner saying one thing and Stewart and agent saying something else.

If Bengals are staying within the norms (at least 60% of NFL teams way of doing it), then good for them. If not, they are in the wrong and need to fix it.

[THE PISTONS]

(06-13-2025, 07:32 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: That is the problem, we have no way of knowing which version is accurate. Maybe we will in time, but Dehner saying one thing and Stewart and agent saying something else.

If Bengals are staying within the norms (at least 60% of NFL teams way of doing it), then good for them. If not, they are in thr worng and need to fix it.

Just heard that #3 pick Abdul Carter has same clause in his contract.

[Destro]

Maybe he doesn’t trust the Bengals. If he ends up playing like Trey 2.0, he has seen the Bengals way of doing things with anyone who isn’t Joe Burrow, which means the next contract may be a greater chore to get done.

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-13-2025, 07:32 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: That is the problem, we have no way of knowing which version is accurate. Maybe we will in time, but Dehner saying one thing and Stewart and agent saying something else.

If Bengals are staying within the norms (at least 60% of NFL teams way of doing it), then good for them. If not, they are in thr worng and need to fix it.

I heard today that Stewart's agent is asking for a change in another way as a peace offering to accept the change in precedent for the Bengals. I heard the timing of payout of the signing bonus. Mims was paid 50% at signing and 50% on Dec 1st. So seems like an easy fix and that just paying it all at signing may get the contract signed. Curious how other teams time the payout of the signing bonus.

[sandwedge]

(06-13-2025, 04:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What made me worried was on draft night when he was selected.

He looked angry and was quiet. He was not excited.
Upon being interviewed right after walking onto the stage, he said something the lines of, "The other teams messed up not drafting me earlier."
From what I can remember, he did not really talk about how he was excited to be joining the Bengals, just mad he didn't get drafted sooner.

That's not really a guy I was overly excited joining the team, separate from my dislike of his lack of production in college.
He sounded unappreciative.

And before anyone looks up the post-draft interview where he's sitting at the table, that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to actually when he got his name called and walked onto the stage, being interviewed by I can't remember exactly who as he was about to walk offstage.

I did too! I made a post about it even. He sounded really dumb blasting all the teams for not drafting earlier and not really mentioning his gratitude for the Bengals picking him. I said this in another thread, I'm starting to think he just doesn't want to be on this team.

[Soonerpeace]

(06-13-2025, 05:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think the Bengals have a concern of Stewart (or any player they have concern with) may do something on or off the field that causes them to miss time aside from injury that they deem as "stupid" and want to put this clause in to help the individual think more about how their actions have consequences.

I have to think Burton last year may have impacted their decision into this, but I do wonder why this clause is being pushed for Stewart but not for other draft picks, or possibly it was and the other draft picks just signed anyway.

I’m hearing it’s a knucklehead clause. There must have been a knucklehead event in his history . 

[Millhouse]

(Yesterday, 07:43 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’m hearing it’s a knucklehead clause. There must have been a knucklehead event in his history . 

If that's the case then he was a knucklehead 1st round pick. Lets hope not though, Bengals can't afford to whiff on draft picks during this Burrow window.

[Millhouse]

For a guy with 4.5 total sacks in college, sitting out and then leaving minicamp, and the interactions with the media is not the best way to start out an NFL career. Does he think he is entitled to as much money as possible because of those 4.5 sacks or something? He is nothing more than a slightly high risk with slightly high reward first round pick, yet he is acting like he is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor or something where he doesn't need to practice.

That's my take today with him. In regards to the Bengals however, I can side with them on this but if the situation gets worse, then it's fair game to criticize them for drafting him in the first place.

[Bronxbengal]

(Yesterday, 08:51 AM)Millhouse Wrote: For a guy with 4.5 total sacks in college, sitting out and then leaving minicamp, and the interactions with the media is not the best way to start out an NFL career. Does he think he is entitled to as much money as possible because of those 4.5 sacks or something? He is nothing more than a slightly high risk with slightly high reward first round pick, yet he is acting like he is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor or something where he doesn't need to practice.

That's my take today with him. In regards to the Bengals however, I can side with them on this but if the situation gets worse, then it's fair game to criticize them for drafting him in the first place.

Love these post supporting the Clown show called the Bengals front office a.k.a. the Brown kin.  So let’s set the record straight because many people have very short memories.  These are the people that lead this organization through a painful period called the lost decade.  These are the same people who draft and signed low character people which became a laughing stock to the world.  Even late night comedians made fun of the organization.  A Bengal doesn’t change his stripes and the front office play book is the same embarrassing script.  The Browns and Blackburns can not develop a business relationship with anyone.  They fight with Hamilton county, they fight with agents and they fight with the players.  Turmoil is their comfort and yet they have no plan on getting the organization their first Lombardi.  Slam Stewart all you want.  He may be a blathering idiot for all I know.  But his quote that this front office would rather win an argument as opposed to winning on the field was so on the point.  It is amazing the blind support the fan base gives to the blackburns and browns.  They could give two shits about winning this on the field

[Millhouse]

(Yesterday, 10:41 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: Love these post supporting the Clown show called the Bengals front office a.k.a. the Brown kin.  So let’s set the record straight because many people have very short memories.  These are the people that lead this organization through a painful period called the lost decade.  These are the same people who draft and signed low character people which became a laughing stock to the world.  Even late night comedians made fun of the organization.  A Bengal doesn’t change his stripes and the front office play book is the same embarrassing script.  The Browns and Blackburns can not develop a business relationship with anyone.  They fight with Hamilton county, they fight with agents and they fight with the players.  Turmoil is their comfort and yet they have no plan on getting the organization their first Lombardi.  Slam Stewart all you want.  He may be a blathering idiot for all I know.  But his quote that this front office would rather win an argument as opposed to winning on the field was so on the point.  It is amazing the blind support the fan base gives to the blackburns and browns.  They could give two shits about winning this on the field

It's ok to not hate on them for every single thing though, right? 

[Stewy]

Joe Goodberry spoke to Shemar's Agent, did some research and explains it all.

Summary:
---Issue is about a potential "non-football issue" causing a player to default, but the difference is the player default would cause ALL guarantees in the contract to be voided as guaranteed not just the year of the default.
---This is NOT a Bengal FO unique contract language, but would be the first time the Bengals applied it.
---Several teams put this language in EVERY contract.
---Approx. 20 other teams use this kind of language.
---Shemar Stewart is getting bad advice in terms of behaviors, speaking to media, lack of practicing

If you want to know what's going on, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcFoBSRGVKo&ab_channel=FirstStarMediaGroup

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Defenders of the front office is becoming a cult we have a first round pick being overly irritated about newly structured language may be willing to sit out year and renter draft we have a 2nd team all pro wanting a fair pay raise and he willing to sit out the year this D could be historically bad not to mention the question marks at LB DT S and possibly corner

[Timanky12]

The Bengals owner and management are inept at running an NFL franchise, my guess is they couldn’t mange a McDonalds franchise.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 01:53 PM)Stewy Wrote:



Joe Goodberry spoke to Shemar's Agent, did some research and explains it all.

Summary:
---Issue is about a potential "non-football issue" causing a player to default, but the difference is the player default would cause ALL guarantees in the contract to be voided as guaranteed not just the year of the default.
---This is NOT a Bengal FO unique contract language, but would be the first time the Bengals applied it.
---Several teams put this language in EVERY contract.
---Approx. 20 other teams use this kind of language.
---Shemar Stewart is getting bad advice in terms of behaviors, speaking to media, lack of practicing

If you want to know what's going on, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcFoBSRGVKo&ab_channel=FirstStarMediaGroup

If it's SoP in the NFL, then i don't have a problem with the Bengals introducing it in their contracts, even if they've not done it before. Being a guinea pig of a particular franchise, when others do it, isn't a valid reason to complain. 

That's not the only thing though. If you're going to have that language, then it comes down to the guarantee payout. If other teams are doing it equitably, the Bengals should do the same. Introducing the language and then trying say a 20/80 or 30/70 split from signing to future, isn't fair. If it's a 50/50 split, Stewart doesn't really have a leg to stand on. 

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 01:54 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Defenders of the front office is becoming a cult we have a first round pick being overly irritated about newly structured language may be willing to sit out year and renter draft we have a 2nd team all pro wanting a fair pay raise and he willing to sit out the year this D could be historically bad not to mention the question marks at LB DT S and possibly corner

And critics of the front office are also cult like in complaining about the front office even when they are in the right. If they cave in to this idiot, and then he gets into trouble and can't play, everyone would be lamenting having to pay him contract guarantees.... ala Deshaun Watson. I swear, it's like Stewart is PLANNING on getting into trouble in the future.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-13-2025, 10:54 PM)Destro Wrote: Maybe he doesn’t trust the Bengals. If he ends up playing like Trey 2.0, he has seen the Bengals way of doing things with anyone who isn’t Joe Burrow, which means the next contract may be a greater chore to get done.

Guess we are forgetting Ja'Marr and Tee. I get it, the FO sucks, but we don't have to ignore certain things to slam them. I loved the Shemar Stewart
pick after I watched his film and saw his abilities, but he should of just signed the damn contract and practiced. As was stated, Travis Hunter isn't signed 
and he is practicing and is all about ball. I wish our 1st round pick was doing the same.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 01:54 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Defenders of the front office is becoming a cult we have a first round pick being overly irritated about newly structured language may be willing to sit out year and renter draft we have a 2nd team all pro wanting a fair pay raise and he willing to sit out the year this D could be historically bad not to mention the question marks at LB DT S and possibly corner

I ain't a part of no cult that would have me.

[Joelist]

(Yesterday, 01:53 PM)Stewy Wrote:



Joe Goodberry spoke to Shemar's Agent, did some research and explains it all.

Summary:
---Issue is about a potential "non-football issue" causing a player to default, but the difference is the player default would cause ALL guarantees in the contract to be voided as guaranteed not just the year of the default.
---This is NOT a Bengal FO unique contract language, but would be the first time the Bengals applied it.
---Several teams put this language in EVERY contract.
---Approx. 20 other teams use this kind of language.
---Shemar Stewart is getting bad advice in terms of behaviors, speaking to media, lack of practicing

If you want to know what's going on, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcFoBSRGVKo&ab_channel=FirstStarMediaGroup

And when you put this all together Stewart is in the wrong here. The clause is not unreasonable and his agent and father are approaching this literally the wrongest way possible. Also remember a red flag teams had on Stewart was this agent. He needs to do a Tee, fire this clown and hire one who understands what negotiating is and tell his Dad to zip it for a while. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:35 PM)Joelist Wrote: And when you put this all together Stewart is in the wrong here. The clause is not unreasonable and his agent and father are approaching this literally the wrongest way possible. Also remember a red flag teams had on Stewart was this agent. He needs to do a Tee, fire this clown and hire one who understands what negotiating is and tell his Dad to zip it for a while. 

Completely agree. As was stated, 20 other teams have had this clause in their contracts so this is nothing new.

Call me an agent hater, but once again it seems the agent is the problem, same as it was with Tee, now with Trey and now with Shemar.

There is one good agent and that is the one that gets the deal done and that is Ja'Marr and Tee's agent.