Here comes the 'captain obvious' portion of our show...which really shouldn't need to be pointed out, unless you back somone(something) without seeing the clearly obvious salient point.
Even if he doesn't see all the money, the Steelers were able to get Watt to sign on the bottom line without all the drama and cheap bullshit you see from other organizations and they did it for a guy that's 2 months older than Trey and for a price that tops all that came before him.
Thoughts?
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Yesterday, 10:39 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Our fans are too busy chastising the FO and forget the great extension the same FO signed Trey to in 2022. They have an extremely team friendly contract. Why do they have to do anything?
They complain if we sign them late, them cry when we sign them early. It is kind of comical watching them spin in circles.
Fans don't complain when the FO cancels a contract early when the players level of play drops to me it seems only fair to back a player when his level of play dictates a raise.
To me the FO struggles on all the important things evaluating the talent they have, smartly moving money around to accommodate additions when needed and most importantly communicating and keeping players happy.
So yes if a players talent dictates he should be paid and he's too valuable to lose than pay him early. If said player maintains that level of play and starts to become unhappy evaluate and pay him again. The earlier the better because existing years give you more flexibility within the cap.
This team has very good talent and a chance just with Burrow and Chase but we have a bottom of the league front office. Nobody is expecting them to be the Eagles just dont be a hindrance to the team.
(Yesterday, 11:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Here comes the 'captain obvious' portion of our show...which really shouldn't need to be pointed out, unless you back somone(something) without seeing the clearly obvious salient point.
Even if he doesn't see all the money, the Steelers were able to get Watt to sign on the bottom line without all the drama and cheap bullshit you see from other organizations and they did it for a guy that's 2 months older than Trey and for a price that tops all that came before him.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are that we’re now entering year 6 of the Burrow era and we’ve still yet to have a single, positive, drama free offseason. It’s either been injuries - which you could argue wasn’t really the team’s fault - but the perpetual state of he OL certainly played some part in a couple of them, or it’s been disgruntled star players upset over contract disputes (Bates, Tee, Chase, Trey). It’s beyond exhausting.
(Yesterday, 11:29 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: My thoughts are that we’re now entering year 6 of the Burrow era and we’ve still yet to have a single, positive, drama free offseason. It’s either been injuries - which you could argue wasn’t really the team’s fault - but the perpetual state of he OL certainly played some part in a couple of them, or it’s been disgruntled star players upset over contract disputes (Bates, Tee, Chase, Trey). It’s beyond exhausting.
Nicomo...don't you know "AlL NfL teAmS DeAl WItH ThIS ExAcT SaMe THiNG thIS TiMe oF YeAr"!!11!!!1!!!!!1111!!1 - certain poster, probably.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Yesterday, 11:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Here comes the 'captain obvious' portion of our show...which really shouldn't need to be pointed out, unless you back somone(something) without seeing the clearly obvious salient point.
Even if he doesn't see all the money, the Steelers were able to get Watt to sign on the bottom line without all the drama and cheap bullshit you see from other organizations and they did it for a guy that's 2 months older than Trey and for a price that tops all that came before him.
Thoughts?
No doubt Steelers who will start a 41 year old QB who turns 42 in December did a nice job getting Watt signed. My thoughts are he was signed on July 17 so to say no drama is not the entire truth. They also just signed their starting QB recently which was also drama.
Let's see if the Bengals sign Trey in the coming weeks or not. The drama created is by fans. The Bengals FO looks at it as a business decision. I am not sure how many 100 million contracts you have given out, but it is a ton of money. They have a value assigned to him, my guess is they will stay within 15% of the value. If Trey wants more, he may be sitting out 2025 which many would not blame him. However, if Trey puts his business hate on, losing 16 million + millions in fines may not be a smart business decision for him long term because Bengals own his rights for nect 3 years if they so desire.
I want him signed, but the door swings both ways, he is under contract in 2025 and took a nice signing bonus in 2022 to extend his deal. I think he deserves an extension, but it is not my money.
As for Watt, time will tell if father time or injury catched up to him the next 4 years and especially the next 3 years. Will he play at a level to earn that money is yet TBD, he may or he may blow out his knee week 1 and the contract be a D. Watson deal in the end. One thing I do see, he has a lot of tread on the tires. His brother was great also until he wasn't his last couple of years. https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-explains-decision-to-retire-at-end-of-2022-i-ve-known-for-
JJ was 33 when he retired and look it up, he went from great to average very quickly.
So jury still out on if Steeler's signing TJ to a 3 year extension was a great, good or bad move.
Let's revist at end of 2026 season for a true evaluation of his price and production.
Please use 2025 free agency to fix the trenches, not the draft!!!!!!!!
(Yesterday, 11:54 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: No doubt Steelers who will start a 41 year old QB who turns 42 in December did a nice job getting Watt signed. My thoughts are he was signed on July 17 so to say no drama is not the entire truth. They also just signed their starting QB recently which was also drama.
Let's see if the Bengals sign Trey in the coming weeks or not. The drama created is by fans. The Bengals FO looks at it as a business decision. I am not sure how many 100 million contracts you have given out, but it is a ton of money. They have a value assigned to him, my guess is they will stay within 15% of the value. If Trey wants more, he may be sitting out 2025 which many would not blame him. However, if Trey puts his business hate on, losing 16 million + millions in fines may not be a smart business decision for him long term because Bengals own his rights for nect 3 years if they so desire.
I want him signed, but the door swings both ways, he is under contract in 2025 and took a nice signing bonus in 2022 to extend his deal. I think he deserves an extension, but it is not my money.
As for Watt, time will tell if father time or injury catched up to him the next 4 years and especially the next 3 years. Will he play at a level to earn that money is yet TBD, he may or he may blow out his knee week 1 and the contract be a D. Watson deal in the end. One thing I do see, he has a lot of tread on the tires. His brother was great also until he wasn't his last couple of years. https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-explains-decision-to-retire-at-end-of-2022-i-ve-known-for-
JJ was 33 when he retired and look it up, he went from great to average very quickly.
So jury still out on if Steeler's signing TJ to a 3 year extension was a great, good or bad move.
Let's revist at end of 2026 season for a true evaluation of his price and production.
We could do that...and i have no doubt we eventually will, but you can't compare the drama between what's happened with Trey to the "drama" that happened with Watt. They're not remotely close.
They're like, as close as the Sun is to Proxima Centauri.
Re: JJ Watt. I did a breakdown of how productive the better EDs were, late in their careers, to your average ED, who typically "falls off a cliff" earlier in their career--somewhere earlier in this thread. Trey is closer to your elite ED than he is to your average ED. Run game schmun game. If he's on my team, i want him to get the QB, the same way i'd want other top rushers to. The other 10 guys can tackle the ball carriers.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Today, 12:07 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: We could do that...and i have no doubt we eventually will, but you can't compare the drama between what's happened with Trey to the "drama" that happened with Watt. They're not remotely close.
They're like, as close as the Sun is to Proxima Centauri.
Re: JJ Watt. I did a breakdown of how productive the better EDs were, late in their careers, to your average ED, who typically "falls off a cliff" earlier in their career--somewhere earlier in this thread. Trey is closer to your elite ED than he is to your average ED. Run game schmun game. If he's on my team, i want him to get the QB, the same way i'd want other top rushers to. The other 10 guys can tackle the ball carriers.
Sometimes, you have to ask yourself where the drama originated.
Did the Bengals create it, or did Trey and dramatic fans create it.
(Today, 12:07 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: We could do that...and i have no doubt we eventually will, but you can't compare the drama between what's happened with Trey to the "drama" that happened with Watt. They're not remotely close.
This reminded of a thought i had recently after watching a video that's probably old of Houshmanzadeh talking with whatever steelers linebacker that had played for the bengals for a year. They were talking about if they ever got frustrated when theyre agents negotiated. Tj did and the Steelers linebacker didnt long story short. But my thought was that we've all seen examples of poor communication between team and players but that it's most likely the Bengals FO just isn't good communicating with agents. Smoothing things out and keeping a positive relationship even when negotiations are far off and going to take a fair amount of time to get worked out. Perhaps this seems trivial but if you piss an agent off or make him think it's impossible task or the value of the player just isn't there that will trickle down to the player and put a strain on the relationship. I dont think this means just constantly giving in to whatever demands as the said linebacker came to the Bengals and Watt took a fair amount of time to complete his contract. But we have to do better at evaluating the talent and the need or lack there of for the team. Let Housh walk and signed 2 players for what ended up being 2 years for more money than he was asking for.
(Yesterday, 11:54 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: No doubt Steelers who will start a 41 year old QB who turns 42 in December did a nice job getting Watt signed. My thoughts are he was signed on July 17 so to say no drama is not the entire truth. They also just signed their starting QB recently which was also drama.
Let's see if the Bengals sign Trey in the coming weeks or not. The drama created is by fans. The Bengals FO looks at it as a business decision. I am not sure how many 100 million contracts you have given out, but it is a ton of money. They have a value assigned to him, my guess is they will stay within 15% of the value. If Trey wants more, he may be sitting out 2025 which many would not blame him. However, if Trey puts his business hate on, losing 16 million + millions in fines may not be a smart business decision for him long term because Bengals own his rights for nect 3 years if they so desire.
I want him signed, but the door swings both ways, he is under contract in 2025 and took a nice signing bonus in 2022 to extend his deal. I think he deserves an extension, but it is not my money.
As for Watt, time will tell if father time or injury catched up to him the next 4 years and especially the next 3 years. Will he play at a level to earn that money is yet TBD, he may or he may blow out his knee week 1 and the contract be a D. Watson deal in the end. One thing I do see, he has a lot of tread on the tires. His brother was great also until he wasn't his last couple of years. https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-explains-decision-to-retire-at-end-of-2022-i-ve-known-for-
JJ was 33 when he retired and look it up, he went from great to average very quickly.
So jury still out on if Steeler's signing TJ to a 3 year extension was a great, good or bad move.
Let's revist at end of 2026 season for a true evaluation of his price and production.
I don't usually watch Steelers games unless they are playing the Bengals, but it seemed to be Twatt started dropping off last year. Maybe the numbers won't back that up, but to the eye test he seems to have missed a step to me.
As for giving Hendrickson a contract that matches that, I'm a no. There is a video on the home page, and on Youtube of the Bengals 1970 season. One of the things that struck me was talking about the D-line and the Linebackers having no great stars, but playing as a solid unit and getting it done as a group. Instead of paying Hendrickson 120 million dollars at his age, I think the better direction is to upgrade the group as a whole and get them all on the same page as the 70 group did. Just my opinion, but if we guarantee him 100 million dollars and his age catches up to him, we are screwed for years to come.
(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: I'm sure Mike Brown will HATE not having to pay Trey while he sits.
Actually Trey starts paying MB 50K a day if he misses any time in TC. Trey could lose millions if he chooses to sit out 10 games. He would lose game checks and these fines.
Please use 2025 free agency to fix the trenches, not the draft!!!!!!!!
(Yesterday, 11:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Here comes the 'captain obvious' portion of our show...which really shouldn't need to be pointed out, unless you back somone(something) without seeing the clearly obvious salient point.
Even if he doesn't see all the money, the Steelers were able to get Watt to sign on the bottom line without all the drama and cheap bullshit you see from other organizations and they did it for a guy that's 2 months older than Trey and for a price that tops all that came before him.
Thoughts?
Watt and Tre are not totally the same how they have approached it.. they have one similar approach they held out this offseason but i don;t reminder Watt less than 1/2 way into his last contract , ask for a new one, i don;t remember him asking for a trade or threaten to sit out this year... hmmm
(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Actually Trey starts paying MB 50K a day if he misses any time in TC. Trey could lose millions if he chooses to sit out 10 games. He would game checks and these fines.
I wasn't aware of that. I knew he would be fined, I just assume it came out of his contract salary.
(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Watt and Tre are not totally the same how they have approached it.. they have one similar approach they held out this offseason but i don;t reminder Watt less than 1/2 way into his last contract , ask for a new one, i don;t remember him asking for a trade or threaten to sit out this year... hmmm
I also remember during his last contract, he finally told his agent, who wanted to hold out for more, to accept the deal from the Steelers because he wanted to play. (Never thought I'd type a nice thing about this guy)
(3 hours ago)Nately120 Wrote: He has cards in the sense that if he sits out our billion dollar offense is likely to be in breach of keeping up with the other team's rapid scoring.
I want him signed, but a lt of fans are ignoring the fact our run defense should be greatly improved. Yes, major worries on a pass rush, but th erun defense was horrid in 2024. I think it will be greatly improved in 2025 with Knight and Slayton + Wilson back from injury. Can run defense be better without Trey is also debatable.
Golden may have to be creative to put pressure on the passer, but at ND he showed the ability to use the talents of the players on the field.
Who thinks our run defense may be better without Trey?
Please use 2025 free agency to fix the trenches, not the draft!!!!!!!!
(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Watt and Tre are not totally the same how they have approached it.. they have one similar approach they held out this offseason but i don;t reminder Watt less than 1/2 way into his last contract , ask for a new one, i don;t remember him asking for a trade or threaten to sit out this year... hmmm
He didn't pull any of the stuff Trey did, during his previous contract and that's where Trey is wrong with how they handled it. Hindsight is 20/20 and if he could go back, he may approach it different.
None of that really matters though, when we're talking about signing an older player to an extended contract. Watt is older and got paid. The Bengals could still get close to other recent signings while remaining under the salary cap. The difference is, they steadfastly hold to not wanting to pay anyone beyond a certain age. It's just their own stupid personal policy.
"Hope is not a strategy"
"The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
(Yesterday, 11:26 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Fans don't complain when the FO cancels a contract early when the players level of play drops to me it seems only fair to back a player when his level of play dictates a raise.
One problem, Bengals did honor the contract and pay 100% of the contract guarantee. So, why would fans complain?
Please use 2025 free agency to fix the trenches, not the draft!!!!!!!!
(3 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I want him signed, but a lt of fans are ignoring the fact our run defense should be greatly improved. Yes, major worries on a pass rush, but th erun defense was horrid in 2024. I think it will be greatly improved in 2025 with Knight and Slayton + Wilson back from injury. Can run defense be better without Trey is also debatable.
Golden may have to be creative to put pressure on the passer, but at ND he showed the ability to use the talents of the players on the field.
Who thinks our run defense may be better without Trey?
And with the number of people who think the season is already over if he sits, would they still think the season is over if he gets a season ending injury in the first game? One player does not make a team unless that player is the QB and you don't have a quality backup.
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