Is Shemar holding out?

[BrownAssClown]

(Yesterday, 06:05 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: This has been one hell of a dreadful offseason.

Well, it started out pretty good and it just went to crap after that.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 11:15 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Well, it started out pretty good and it just went to crap after that.

Yet, week one is still 7 or so weeks away. It is not over until game 1, then the official season begins week 1.

[Bilbo Saggins]

(Yesterday, 06:40 PM)cinci4life Wrote: A&M coach said Stewart is not going back to A&M.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45764247/coach-says-bengals-pick-shemar-stewart-not-returning-texas-am

It wouldn't make much sense for him to.  He'd have to sue to get re-admitted.  Then even if they allow him to go back and play, the Bengals would own his rights after the season(per Florio).  Stewart's options are basically to play for the Bengals, get traded by the Bengals, or to just not play in the NFL.  It makes me wonder why teams don't negotiate super, super hardball clauses more often if the deck is so stacked against the player tbh.  It also makes me wonder why the NFLPA didn't iron out the rookie contracts to be even more cookie cutter than they already are.  

[Sled21]

(Today, 02:38 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: It wouldn't make much sense for him to.  He'd have to sue to get re-admitted.  Then even if they allow him to go back and play, the Bengals would own his rights after the season(per Florio).  Stewart's options are basically to play for the Bengals, get traded by the Bengals, or to just not play in the NFL.  It makes me wonder why teams don't negotiate super, super hardball clauses more often if the deck is so stacked against the player tbh.  It also makes me wonder why the NFLPA didn't iron out the rookie contracts to be even more cookie cutter than they already are.  

If he returned to A&M, he would also be risking career ending injury before even getting back to the NFL. It would be a bad move for him all around. 

[THE PISTONS]

(8 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: If he returned to A&M, he would also be risking career ending injury before even getting back to the NFL. It would be a bad move for him all around. 

Plus, he'd likely get drafted way later and take less money.

[THE PISTONS]

(Yesterday, 11:15 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Well, it started out pretty good and it just went to crap after that.

Well, when you give 2 WR's that much money, you obviously have less for the rest of the roster. That's fine if guys play out there contracts. But, if they are under contract and hold out for more money...it hurts.

[Timanky12]

(8 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: Well, when you give 2 WR's that much money, you obviously have less for the rest of the roster. That's fine if guys play out there contracts. But, if they are under contract and hold out for more money...it hurts.

I said it once and I’ll say it again, you can’t outscore very team to win a championship. If our defense is no better than the last 3 years, expect more disappointment.

[RunKijanaRun]

(Yesterday, 11:15 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Well, it started out pretty good and it just went to crap after that.

They screwed up Chase & Tee as well. On multiple levels.

Especially considering they’d have more cap room after those deals if they structured the deals differently. They purposefully didn’t.

And they could have signed both earlier and saved millions.

The took a guy with their FRP who was absolutely a reach and now may not even sign him. And the second rounder, the 25 y/o everyone thinks will start day one, is also unsigned.

Didn’t do nearly enough to fix the OL. Which should surprise no one.

They’re inept. And it’s beyond frustrating.

[Sled21]

(6 hours ago)RunKijanaRun Wrote: They screwed up Chase & Tee as well. On multiple levels.

Especially considering they’d have more cap room after those deals if they structured the deals differently. They purposefully didn’t.

And they could have signed both earlier and saved millions.

The took a guy with their FRP who was absolutely a reach and now may not even sign him. And the second rounder, the 25 y/o everyone thinks will start day one, is also unsigned.

Didn’t do nearly enough to fix the OL. Which should surprise no one.

They’re inept. And it’s beyond frustrating.

But that only works if you hold players to their signed deal, and not cave in to them wanting a new deal everytime the market resets. Otherwise, they are basically all one year deals. 

[Luvnit2]

(6 hours ago)RunKijanaRun Wrote: They screwed up Chase & Tee as well. On multiple levels.

Especially considering they’d have more cap room after those deals if they structured the deals differently. They purposefully didn’t.

And they could have signed both earlier and saved millions.

The took a guy with their FRP who was absolutely a reach and now may not even sign him. And the second rounder, the 25 y/o everyone thinks will start day one, is also unsigned.

Didn’t do nearly enough to fix the OL. Which should surprise no one.

They’re inept. And it’s beyond frustrating.

So in contrast the Bengals did a great job with the Trey deal and should be commended or do you have a double standard?

[THE PISTONS]

(7 hours ago)Timanky12 Wrote: I said it once and I’ll say it again, you can’t outscore very team to win a championship. If our defense is no better than the last 3 years, expect more disappointment.

Technically every team that wins a championship...outscores their opponent.

[THE PISTONS]

(6 hours ago)RunKijanaRun Wrote: They screwed up Chase & Tee as well. On multiple levels.

Especially considering they’d have more cap room after those deals if they structured the deals differently. They purposefully didn’t.

And they could have signed both earlier and saved millions.

The took a guy with their FRP who was absolutely a reach and now may not even sign him. And the second rounder, the 25 y/o everyone thinks will start day one, is also unsigned.

Didn’t do nearly enough to fix the OL. Which should surprise no one.

They’re inept. And it’s beyond frustrating.

I don't know that they're inept, but they don't optimize cap space and try to save money which sometimes costs them money.

With Burrow, this team will never be really bad. They know that they can field a middle-tier roster and win 8-9 games with Burrow. Then, if things break right win 11-12 games and maybe make a playoff run. That's precisely why you keep Tee and Chase. Have a high-powered offense.

But, yes...they aren't going to spend every penny to make a great offensive line and defense. They're going to rely on unproven young guys to take a leap. It hasn't worked.

And teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, and Steelers aggressively try to improve their rosters.

[kevin]

(Yesterday, 11:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Yet, week one is still 7 or so weeks away. It is not over until game 1, then the official season begins week 1.

Super Bowl teams say it begins start of training camp.  Bengals as usual will not be ready for week 1.  Bengals are only NFL team that hasn't signed their #1 draft pick.  Heads will hang low as Cleveland beats Bengals in the trenches and Cleveland hands Bengals yet another start of season loss.  Bengals are never ready to play in September, and thanks to Mike Brown and Family they will not be ready this September.  Whoever is at QB for Cleveland will have all day to throw and will destroy the Bengals who will have no pass rush.  

Mike Brown and Family have the idea that they paid Burrow, Chase, Higgins and that's all they need.  WRONG.  Bengals will get beat bad on defense, and you can't win if the defense stinks.  Could have used Hendrickson or at least the top draft pick, but Mike Brown & Family aren't even negotiating, Bengals just won't have either of them.  Well, Mike Brown is more famous for 4 win seasons than he is for play-off winning seasons. 

The sad thing is that with a good defense the Bengals could go back to Super Bowl.  Even Mahomes of Chiefs say he hopes Bengals don't sign Hendrickson or the #1 pick, because Bengals would be hard to beat if they had a god defense.   Mike Brown & Family should be thinking Super Bowl, but they aren't, and we can see they aren't. 

They won't even win at Cleveland. In fact they might get clobbered. Bengals take their normal loss in week 1.  Cleveland 34, Bengals 20 and another 0-1 start as usual. 

[*Nately120*]

If this team doesn't sweep the Browns and Steelers someone needs fired.

[Sled21]

(5 hours ago)kevin Wrote: Super Bowl teams say it begins start of training camp.  Bengals as usual will not be ready for week 1.  Bengals are only NFL team that hasn't signed their #1 draft pick.  Heads will hang low as Cleveland beats Bengals in the trenches and Cleveland hands Bengals yet another start of season loss.  Bengals are never ready to play in September, and thanks to Mike Brown and Family they will not be ready this September.  Whoever is at QB for Cleveland will have all day to throw and will destroy the Bengals who will have no pass rush.  

Mike Brown and Family have the idea that they paid Burrow, Chase, Higgins and that's all they need.  WRONG.  Bengals will get beat bad on defense, and you can't win if the defense stinks.  Could have used Hendrickson or at least the top draft pick, but Mike Brown & Family aren't even negotiating, Bengals just won't have either of them.  Well, Mike Brown is more famous for 4 win seasons than he is for play-off winning seasons. 

The sad thing is that with a good defense the Bengals could go back to Super Bowl.  Even Mahomes of Chiefs say he hopes Bengals don't sign Hendrickson or the #1 pick, because Bengals would be hard to beat if they had a god defense.   Mike Brown & Family should be thinking Super Bowl, but they aren't, and we can see they aren't. 

They won't even win at Cleveland. In fact they might get clobbered. Bengals take their normal loss in week 1.  Cleveland 34, Bengals 20 and another 0-1 start as usual. 

Yeah, it's tough to beat anyone that has a God Defense.... I expect our defense to be much improved this year with McKinley and Jenkins having a year under their belt, Knight replacing Pratt, and the DB's (especially Stone) thriving under Golden instead of struggling to understand Lou's coverages.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 03:52 PM)BacknDaDey Wrote: I still don't understand why Stewart hasn't signed yet.  If you are not a so-called "problem child", why worry about that language in the contract, if you are not a "screw-up" or "knucklehead".  I can see some injury stipulations in the contract maybe holding up signing or something stupid like "you are not performing up to the standard of a 1st round draft choice so pay back some money.".  Seems to me that Stewart really doesn't want to be a Bengal or the Bengals now don't really want him.  Maybe I'm just an old naive fart who shouldn't care about what the reasons are for him not being signed.

Hobspin really won that messaging war with some folks, didn't he? Continuing to inaccurately paint it as that. It is much more than that. It's an expanded Carl Pickens clause being forced in with zero compromise being given back in return. A clause the Bengals didn't have on any of their previous rookie wage scale players, and sure as shit didn't try to force in on the Chase, Higgins, Burrow, Gesicki, etc recent contracts.

The Bengals chose exactly one player as their guinea pig that they wanted to give a worse contract to, and they want to do it without giving anything back to offset that. He didn't even say he would be unwilling to sign that, just that he'd be unwilling to sign it without the NORMAL compromise in return that more of the guaranteed money gets paid out sooner. The Bengals refuse because they don't want compromise, they want submission.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: But that only works if you hold players to their signed deal, and not cave in to them wanting a new deal everytime the market resets. Otherwise, they are basically all one year deals. 

If you sign players to fair deals, they don't get fan support when they come crying for more money. 

It's as simple as that. If you play fair you get support. If you don't, you don't. 

It's so easy to be a good front office when everything is basically laid out in front of you, with lots of precedent already set. The Bengals manage to **** it up every time with their scrooge ways being the culprit every time. Not bad luck. Not anything but being cheap.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So in contrast the Bengals did a great job with the Trey deal and should be commended or do you have a double standard?

YOU KEEP SAYING THE BENGALS DID A GREAT JOB ON TREY'S EXTENSION. WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT IT?

If by great, you mean being cheap. YES, they did a fabulous job of being cheap ass dickheads.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: Technically every team that wins a championship...outscores their opponent.

[Luvnit2]

(4 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: YOU KEEP SAYING THE BENGALS DID A GREAT JOB ON TREY'S EXTENSION. WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT IT?

If by great, you mean being cheap. YES, they did a fabulous job of being cheap ass dickheads.

Look in the mirror and meet a hypocrite, whines when don't sign Higgins and Chase and pay more and whines when we get a great player to agree to a team friendly contract.

Bengals FO will never win with you.