Trey Hendrickson Update

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 10:15 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Look at Sam Hubbard, who is now 30 years old. I realize he was injured last year, but can anyone really say his performance did not start to drop off around 27 or 28 from where it was before that? Hendrickson wanting guarantees until he is 33 or 34 is ludicrous.

This is why I said before a more refined search can be more of a true indicator. Hubbard while a fine player that I enjoyed rooting for and made some amazing plays in his time here. He was never at any time in his career the player that Hendrickson has been in his time here. To try and use them to compare for an age drop off indicator just isn't a good strategy. He may drop off and may get injured and won't have the years to recover of a younger player so there is risk but the reward is worth the risk in my opinion.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 10:23 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Hopefully they can agree to two years guaranteed and get the deal done. I think he has at least earned that, and the risk-reward is well worth it. He is the best player on defense at the moment, and needs to be there for younger players like Stewart to learn from.

Agree completely. I also am intrigued to see a rotation of Trey/Murphy and Ossai/Stewart. Quietly one of my big hopes from Golden will employ a better snap% share rotation of players. Although the problem may not have all been on Lou it felt like our starters played a little too many snaps at times. 

[Luvnit2]

Trey starting to pay MB and the Bengals to sit in Florida. Just edit a previous post, I did not see Trey gets 200K per game, so once game starts, he will lose 9.5 million versus the 9.3 I stated previously per game missed.

Mandtory camp missed = 98K
Day 1 TC = 50K (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space
Day 2 TC = 50K  (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space
Day 3 TC = 50K  (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space
Day 4 TC = 50K  (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space

Total - 298K

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 12:25 AM)phil413 Wrote: I think we're talking about a few million for year 3. It's semantics if Cincy guarantees 100% or 80% of year 2, either way he is here 2 years.  With a raise this year and siginig bonus, I can't imagine Cincy is guaranteeing much of a 3rd year. So, Trey's 3rd and final year is him getting say for example 10M (his camp) or 4M (Cincy) when he's cut.  They have far too many young players that will need signed..I know we keep saying this.  

There has to be compromise. Trey initially wanted top 3 money, big guarantee, and length. He’s settled in Cincy. It’s his last big contract. I get that. I get it that if you don’t ask for it you can’t get it. But again historically the Bengals have been awful in contract negotiations. Trey is not as good as he thinks. He’s average in run defense. But Trey and his agent haven’t been realistic. They don’t have the leverage they think. The bottom line is Trey should have taken less money and 3 years guaranteed.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 11:55 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: This is why I said before a more refined search can be more of a true indicator. Hubbard while a fine player that I enjoyed rooting for and made some amazing plays in his time here. He was never at any time in his career the player that Hendrickson has been in his time here. To try and use them to compare for an age drop off indicator just isn't a good strategy. He may drop off and may get injured and won't have the years to recover of a younger player so there is risk but the reward is worth the risk in my opinion.

Hubbard was never the pass rusher that Hendrickson is, but Hendrickson was never as stout against the run as Hubbard was. And it's not only drop off, as any of us who are older know, the older you get, the longer it takes to heal when you're injured. I'm not saying do not sign Trey, I'm just saying don't give him a stupid 3rd year guarantee. At least make it incentive based.

[Essex Johnson]

(07-25-2025, 09:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Guarantees to a player beyond the first year is really nothing more than security. 

A team can offer and sign you to a contract, with no intention of paying you that in later years, i.e., not guaranteed. If you're a player, that's a bit disingenuous. The later guarantees just means you're going to see that money and the team isn't just going to cut you to save bucks. 

 on flip side, a player signs a contract and then within a year or so wants to renegotiate contract, that also seems a bit disingenuous. 

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 01:29 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote:  on flip side, a player signs a contract and then within a year or so wants to renegotiate contract, that also seems a bit disingenuous. 

Especially when he wants to do it two years in a row.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Trey just had his best year last year. He did not play a ton early in NO. He has a little more tread on his tires than his age would suggest.

Watt is almost 31 and has guaranteed money into the 4th year, and a dead cap of $52 mil in year 3 with a $42 cap hit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21771/tj-watt

Garrett is 29 and a half. He has $49 mil in dead cap at Year 3, and $29 mil at year 4, $16 mil at year 5, and almost $6 mil in year SIX.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21742/myles-garrett

Garrett has dead cap/guarantees into year SIX, and Watt into year 4. There is no way Trey should have to settle for 2. There have to be some guarantees into year 3. 

For crying out loud, we just ate $8.5 mil on Cappa/Hubbard/Rankins/Pratt. Trey is worth more than those guys combined, easily. 

Plus  you are ASSUMING he falls off a cliff. Some decline from where he is is still a good player. IF ut happens. 

Fully guarantee 2. Give him $10-$15 in year 3 and get it done. The cap will be well over $200 mil by then. 5% to 7.5% of cap is not a horrible risk, and he'll hardly be worthless in 2027. 

Trey knows this is his last contract. It will be short term guarantees. If he balls out it eill be a tag. 

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 02:05 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Trey just had his best year last year. He did not play a ton early in NO. He has a little more tread on his tires than his age would suggest.

Watt is almost 31 and has guaranteed money into the 4th year, and a dead cap of $52 mil in year 3 with a $42 cap hit.

Garrett is 29 and a half. He has $49 mil in dead cap at Year 3, and $29 mil at year 4, $16 mil at year 5, and almost $6 mil in year SIX.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21742/myles-garrett

I thought the same about Geno, his level of play was still great, heading towards a HOF career, and got one season out of him and then out of football, age is a variable you don;t know what will happen.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 02:09 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I thought the same about Geno, his level of play was still great, heading towards a HOF career, and got one season out of him and then out of football, age is a variable you don;t know what will happen.

Geno got hurt. There is slways risk. 

I am not arguing there isn't risk. I am saying it is: 

1) A risk worth taking and 
2) A risk other teams are taking with similar aged all pro DEs. More $$ guaranteed longer. 
3) A risk you absolutely take with Burrow, Chase, & Tee already locked up. The window is open. Trey is our best defensive player by a country mile and top 5 DE in the league. Top 3 in pass rush. Who just had the best pass rushing season of any DE in the league, despite having no help at all. 

Pay that man his money. Get him in here. Start mentoring and teaching Stewart. Let's go.

[Luvnit2]

It is just a hunch, but I think Trey signs by mid August at the latest.

I think they will work out the guaranteed portion and then hopefully we can leave all of the drama in the past. They get him taken care of and they have had a good off season in my opinion.

Also, it appears Patrick is nicked up so would not be surprised if we sign a guard like Risner during camp.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is just a hunch, but I think Trey signs by mid August at the latest.

I think they will work out the guaranteed portion and then hopefully we can leave all of the drama in the past. They get him taken care of and they have had a good off season in my opinion.

Also, it appears Patrick is nicked up so would not be surprised if we sign a guard like Risner during camp.

If they get Trey signed its an okay offseason sign a guy who can be a legitimate upgrade at guard and proven starter its a good offseason. The Guard spot me worried and fear we are taking an unnecessary risk that I hope doesnt turn out bad.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 03:43 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: If they get Trey signed its an okay offseason sign a guy who can be a legitimate upgrade at guard and proven starter its a good offseason. The Guard spot me worried and fear we are taking an unnecessary risk that I hope doesnt turn out bad.

Cool

I think Cappa was horrid in 2024 and Joe survived. I don't think any guards who start in 2025 will be a downgrade from last year.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:09 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I thought the same about Geno, his level of play was still great, heading towards a HOF career, and got one season out of him and then out of football, age is a variable you don;t know what will happen.

So let's cut and/or not re-sign all the older guys, just in case. That way we'll have a team full of guys on their first contract. A sure way to win a Super Bowl. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 05:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So let's cut and/or not re-sign all the older guys, just in case. That way we'll have a team full of guys on their first contract. A sure way to win a Super Bowl. 

Did he say that? No, you are making crap up.

BTW..this is Trey's 3rd contract and he wants a 4th contract with this second extension.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 03:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Cool

I think Cappa was horrid in 2024 and Joe survived. I don't think any guards who start in 2025 will be a downgrade from last year.

Im just curious if you were good with the oline in 2020? Was the devastating knee injury just random chance? Or the byproduct of putting subpar talent out on the field? 

We just ask Burrow to do so much already I rather not add run around for your life every other players. I'd also like to see just how good this offense could be and they won't reach that with backup guards starting.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 07:37 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Im just curious if you were good with the oline in 2020? Was the devastating knee injury just random chance? Or the byproduct of putting subpar talent out on the field? 

We just ask Burrow to do so much already I rather not add run around for your life every other players. I'd also like to see just how good this offense could be and they won't reach that with backup guards starting.

I don’t know how anybody could be pleased with the OL position group in many years. And you can’t argue that the many exposures threatens Joe’s health. But the wrist and calf were different than the knee. But QB’s get hurt. But the drafting in the 3 year 2022-24 was poor. Especially the first 3 picks each year.

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 07:37 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Im just curious if you were good with the oline in 2020? Was the devastating knee injury just random chance? Or the byproduct of putting subpar talent out on the field? 

We just ask Burrow to do so much already I rather not add run around for your life every other players. I'd also like to see just how good this offense could be and they won't reach that with backup guards starting.

There are QBs who have played with bad lines through the years and did not have a major injury like Burrow, this is not flag football, even the best protected QBs get hurt and other QBs have had just as much punishment as Burrow and never had a serious injury .  Now of course you want to improve your line just as you want your young  QB to improve in reading, getting rid of ball etc.  Both of those have happen the past few years, it is always hard to have 5 quality starters on the Oline  and great QBs don;t need a great line to succeed, Brady and Mahomes have shown us that, a average to good defense can do wonders for a QB with a ok oline. 

[NUGDUKWE]

(11 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: There are QBs who have played with bad lines through the years and did not have a major injury like Burrow, this is not flag football, even the best protected QBs get hurt and other QBs have had just as much punishment as Burrow and never had a serious injury .  Now of course you want to improve your line just as you want your young  QB to improve in reading, getting rid of ball etc.  Both of those have happen the past few years, it is always hard to have 5 quality starters on the Oline  and great QBs don;t need a great line to succeed, Brady and Mahomes have shown us that, a average to good defense can do wonders for a QB with a ok oline. 

More than anything I was surprised we let Cappa go and didn't bring in someone we thought would atleast be the equal of the player Cappa was when he got here. I get he fell off with injuries but the bar should be higher than beating the poor play that got us to release him. Then we bring in Patrick who has not only been in more of a backup role but also struggled with injuries coming off an injury and everyone is fine penciling him in as the starter. Im not asking for them to go to the moon and back but maybe a bit more than just above the bare minimum. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 07:37 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Im just curious if you were good with the oline in 2020? Was the devastating knee injury just random chance? Or the byproduct of putting subpar talent out on the field? 

We just ask Burrow to do so much already I rather not add run around for your life every other players. I'd also like to see just how good this offense could be and they won't reach that with backup guards starting.

It is football, JB and others are going to get hit or deliver hits. There is no such as a perfect OL because the guys they play against are pros also.

I also can't control if JB gets injured or why so I don't worry about it. He can have the best OL in football and take 10 sacks the entire year, but one sack could end his season.

As for he the hit he took in 2020, he has taken worse potentially but walked away. So yes I think most QB injuries are random where as other positions not so much. It is easier to get hurt seriously blocking or tackling in my humble opinion. QB's have a lot of protections in the rules where as all others do not.