Notes From Training Camp 2025

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2025, 02:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: And i also heard he thinks PBR sucks!!!!!  

[ERIC1]

(07-29-2025, 01:06 PM)Synric Wrote: True and not true. He played alot more true 4-3 End snaps where he had to attack the Offensive Tackle compared to guys like Mike Green and James Pearce that were strictly 34 OLBs and worked with more space.


That doesn't discount thr fact that Shemar missed a ton of plays for missed tackles, bad body control when he was in thr backfield, and slow hands with bad placement. He is an athletic freak and can cause havoc in thr back field but he left alot of plays on the field. We also have to remember 2024 was his first year as the full time starter so he's growing.

Your comments and subjective opinion regarding, body control, slow hands...lol@ thats a new one..etc.,are just that.. a subjective opinion by a passionate football fan..the scouts dont agree with you..but thanks anyway

[Luvnit2]

(07-29-2025, 02:54 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Aside from baltimore and detroit, there was no real appreciable differnce in output , yards per game..with the next ten  top teams..and superbowl champ philadelphia and cincinnati were almost identical

As far as your nonsensical banter about wanting to be the best...just because this FO has not signed over the hill, slightly injured big name players whose best playing days are long behind them..does not mean they are not trying to be the best

Do you really think that the powers that be in the bengals organiztion are sitting back and putposefully not signing certain players to piss off Bengals Board members

And I dont are what sportswriters feel. Even though .there are many that feel if this line stays healthy this year, with the changes made in coaching and player additiins, , that the OL will be solid

And finally, by the end of training camp..the organization will have a much better feel..specific to the offensive line..and guess what...there will be some really good young healthy players that made it to final cuts..they will be available

Again, i hope you are doing well post surgical and your heart is strong.We were delayed .. one of our gang is a cardiac surgeon and had to do the emergency stent thing...but now off to the golf course..take care

I am not bashing the FO and even mentioned if the player is an upgrade in talent and not just name. I do trust our coaches and their ability to evalauate. But theirr job is to evaluate and improve exsiting players. You give an OL coach a prove vet who is healthy is likely better than our 5th best OG on our team. My point being is adding depth in the NFL is important too.

We are in rare territory, we have not had this much cap space at this time of the year in a very long time. I am hopeful the FO continues to evaluate and bring guys in like they did with Fant and certainly after final roster cuts are made may be some better guard vets availble then Risner or Hernnandez or not.

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 03:01 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Your comments and subjective opinion regarding, body control, slow hands...lol@ thats a new one..etc.,are just that.. a subjective opinion by a passionate football fan..the scouts dont  agree with you..but thanks anyway

Yes they do.

 Specifically go watch A&M vs LSU. You get Will Campbell vs Shemar Stewart. You can see his late to react with his hands on several occasions to Campbell also placement on the wrists. The stiffness and body control issues show up when A&M played South Carolina when he is tasked with containing LaNorris Sellers. You can see the disconnect between his upper and lower half as he arrives in the backfield.


This is all posted in the Draft section of this forum. You should read it. Learn something.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 03:07 PM)Synric Wrote: Yes they do.

 Specifically go watch A&M vs LSU. You get Will Campbell vs Shemar Stewart. You can see his late to react with his hands on several occasions to Campbell also placement on the wrists. The stiffness and body control issues show up when A&M played South Carolina when he is tasked with containing LaNorris Sellers. You can see the disconnect between his upper and lower half as he arrives in the backfield.


This is all posted in the Draft section of this forum. You should read it. Learn something.

ERIC can't, actually. 

[*PhilHos*]

(07-29-2025, 02:47 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You sure you want to do that, Nate?   

Maybe he wants someone to mark his words?

[Essex Johnson]

(07-29-2025, 01:06 PM)Synric Wrote: True and not true. He played alot more true 4-3 End snaps where he had to attack the Offensive Tackle compared to guys like Mike Green and James Pearce that were strictly 34 OLBs and worked with more space.


That doesn't discount thr fact that Shemar missed a ton of plays for missed tackles, bad body control when he was in thr backfield, and slow hands with bad placement. He is an athletic freak and can cause havoc in thr back field but he left alot of plays on the field. We also have to remember 2024 was his first year as the full time starter so he's growing.

Shemar started 3 years for Texas A and M, played in 37 games

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 03:36 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Shemar started 3 years for Texas A and M, played in 37 games

No he did not.

 He had 19 starts in 37 games with 12 of them coming in 2024. He had some spot starts because of injuries his freshman season but still had around 400 snaps. He had less than 300 snaps his sophomore year and almost 600 in 12 starts in 2024.

[Essex Johnson]

(07-29-2025, 01:26 PM)Whatever Wrote: A rookie LG next to a second year guy that only played as the 6th OL last year is a recipe for disaster.

KC had that 2 or 3 years ago, it worked out for them why not us?  I think the Ravens have more issues than we do on the line

[Essex Johnson]

(07-29-2025, 03:39 PM)Synric Wrote: No he did not.

 He had 19 starts in 37 games with 12 of them coming in 2024. He had some spot starts because of injuries his freshman season but still had around 400 snaps. He had less than 300 snaps his sophomore year and almost 600 in 12 starts in 2024.

thainks for the correct Pro football network had him starting 37 games, but 37  games is actually good experience in college, im not worried about his lack of not starting especially in SEC, you typicially can't manufacture  much more athletic skills in the NFL but you can improve on your technique especially with NFL coaching.. Plus i felt he was the best overall 3 down DE for pass and rush left on the board, another reason i liked the pick

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2025, 03:07 PM)Synric Wrote: Yes they do.

 Specifically go watch A&M vs LSU. You get Will Campbell vs Shemar Stewart. You can see his late to react with his hands on several occasions to Campbell also placement on the wrists. The stiffness and body control issues show up when A&M played South Carolina when he is tasked with containing LaNorris Sellers. You can see the disconnect between his upper and lower half as he arrives in the backfield.


This is all posted in the Draft section of this forum. You should read it. Learn something.

Yeah, Shemar got owned by Will Campbell pretty much that game. There is a reason he was the best Tackle in this class though and yes, Shemar
is stiff at times. He needs to try and stay lower and keep his head up so he can chase down the ball better. Shemar looked really good to me against
Notre Dame, that was the best film of him provided that I saw besides him at the Senior Bowl and the practices where he was pretty dominant.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 03:39 PM)Synric Wrote: No he did not.

 He had 19 starts in 37 games with 12 of them coming in 2024. He had some spot starts because of injuries his freshman season but still had around 400 snaps. He had less than 300 snaps his sophomore year and almost 600 in 12 starts in 2024.

Yep. 

2022 - 416 snaps on defense
2023 - 254 snaps on defense
2024 - 519 snaps on defense

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(07-29-2025, 01:27 PM)pally Wrote: behind a paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6520634/2025/07/29/cincinnati-bengals-zack-moss-training-camp/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=2556982&source=dailyemail

Zach Moss says he was injured in game 1 last season, but after the Eagles game, he lost feeling in his arm and some fingers.  The CT revealed he broke c-6 in 3 different places.  Until the Eagles game, the only symptom he had was a sore neck, which he received treatment and chiropractic care for

The prescription was minimal movement for several months while wearing a neck brace.  He mentioned that he heard very little from the team during his recovery...not even check-ins to see how he was doing

After months of sitting, he is on the NFI list for conditioning reasons.  But he is also fighting some inner demons between balancing the desire to play and the desire to be there for his young family after such a scary injury

He sounds like he almost wants the team to decide for him.  I don't think we will see him on the field this year.  IR or cut will be his outcome.  If he is cut, he ultimately retires.  I'm leaning towards IR since his salary hit on the cap is the same.

This is upsetting in a couple different ways.

First, for Moss. That sucks for his career. 

Second, it sucks that the Bengals didn't check in on him. That is so bush league. But about what I expectcfrom this organization. 

But most importantly, how the fkcu do you not give the guy with the sore neck an X-ray? For weeks? WTF? 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(07-29-2025, 03:01 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am not bashing the FO and even mentioned if the player is an upgrade in talent and not just name. I do trust our coaches and their ability to evalauate. But theirr job is to evaluate and improve exsiting players. You give an OL coach a prove vet who is healthy is likely better than our 5th best OG on our team. My point being is adding depth in the NFL is important too.

We are in rare territory, we have not had this much cap space at this time of the year in a very long time. I am hopeful the FO continues to evaluate and bring guys in like they did with Fant and certainly after final roster cuts are made may be some better guard vets availble then Risner or Hernnandez or not.

We really do not have that much space. 

Remember, Trey is gonna get a significant bump. The PS will eat $3-$4 mil. IR already has All and Moss will likely join, maybe McLaughlin, too. 

Depending on the structure, that could be $20 mil or more right there. 

OTC has us at $28.6 right now. Mikey is never gonna hug the line too close. And some distance is wise as injuries & IR will mount as the season goes on. 

*Though waiving/IRing Moss would have a minimal cap hit. We save $1.2+ mil by gettingvhim off roster, and a replacement player will likely eat most of that up. 

[*pally*]

(07-29-2025, 04:15 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: This is upsetting in a couple different ways.

First, for Moss. That sucks for his career. 

Second, it sucks that the Bengals didn't check in on him. That is so bush league. But about what I expectcfrom this organization. 

But most importantly, how the fkcu do you not give the guy with the sore neck an X-ray? For weeks? WTF? 

Moss said he never mentioned how bad it was hurting.

[Clark W Griswold]

(07-29-2025, 12:44 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I dont troll anyone .I dont agree with you.and my opinion is just as valid as yours..as far as your immature name calling..you dont have any idea as tonhow well this OL will gel how well the players will do under a new coach etc. Its all assumption at this point in time.

You are another one that will only be satisfied only if the team wastes money on overpriced aging FAs whose best days are long behind

And part of burrows difficulties..and him getting sacked..as you well know stems from the fact that he holds on to the ball for too long for whatever reasons

This team has signjficantly changed the focus for the offensive line beginning with the immediate firing of the OL coach after the end of last season..You may not like the effort and direction well...too bad

I was not “name-calling”. I said you were trolling - I did not call you a troll.
There’s a difference.

Also, I hope they do gel and become a decent IOL but none of them have ever been “good” NFL players and you said they were - that’s what I was disputing. You called them good and it is a fact that none of them have ever been above average NFL linemen.
So yes I want them to take a shot on another vet to come in and compete.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(07-29-2025, 02:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You don't see the lightning quick step and strength against Mims and Fairchild in the vids in this very thread?

I know Shemar is not known to be twitchy, but I just don't see how you cannot see an athletic freak when watching him.

Hubbard was slow as molasses last year, did you notice this?

All Shemar has to do is help against the run and be disruptive and not a complete weakness to be better than Sam last year IMO.


In his prime yeah. I still remember when Carl was here and healthy when he could get so low around the edge his shoulder pad would nearly
touch the ground coming off the edge and he could still keep his balance. Was pretty special with his bend, but he just got hurt all the damn 
time and also couldn't get the sacks.

The question about Shemar for me, is he simply what we in rugby called a Thursday all star?

The is the guy who gives maximal effort when everyone else is pacing at 80%, resulting in the Thursday all star looking like a stud starter, but come game time Saturday, dude falls back down to Earth.

I admit the bar is not high for him to be better than Hubbard last season, as Sam was hurt, but I am cautiously optimistic.

Plus I think Golden's defense will have some wrinkles to take advantage of his athleticism.

[Luvnit2]

(07-29-2025, 04:30 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We really do not have that much space. 

Remember, Trey is gonna get a significant bump. The PS will eat $3-$4 mil. IR already has All and Moss will likely join, maybe McLaughlin, too. 

Depending on the structure, that could be $20 mil or more right there. 

OTC has us at $28.6 right now. Mikey is never gonna hug the line too close. And some distance is wise as injuries & IR will mount as the season goes on. 

*Though waiving/IRing Moss would have a minimal cap hit. We save $1.2+ mil by gettingvhim off roster, and a replacement player will likely eat most of that up. 

They do because Trey already has over 18 million in cap space tied up with him. They coud give him a 20 million bonus and count as little as they would like on the 2025 cap, as low as 50% or 10 million or count nothing for 2025 and push the can down the line.

If we give Trey 10 million more (cap space) in 2025, we still have over 10 million left

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(07-29-2025, 02:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: And i also heard he thinks PBR sucks!!!!!  

The burden of taste buds and a sense of smell...

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(07-29-2025, 02:54 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Aside from baltimore and detroit, there was no real appreciable differnce in output , yards per game..with the next ten  top teams..and superbowl champ philadelphia and cincinnati were almost identical

As far as your nonsensical banter about wanting to be the best...just because this FO has not signed over the hill, slightly injured big name players whose best playing days are long behind them..does not mean they are not trying to be the best

Do you really think that the powers that be in the bengals organiztion are sitting back and putposefully not signing certain players to piss off Bengals Board members

And I dont are what sportswriters feel. Even though .there are many that feel if this line stays healthy this year, with the changes made in coaching and player additiins, , that the OL will be solid

And finally, by the end of training camp..the organization will have a much better feel..specific to the offensive line..and guess what...there will be some really good young healthy players that made it to final cuts..they will be available

Again, i hope you are doing well post surgical and your heart is strong.We were delayed .. one of our gang is a cardiac surgeon and had to do the emergency stent thing...but now off to the golf course..take care