Opting Out?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-29-2020, 12:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Fauci has a noodle arm.

That’s what he gets from reading all those books!

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2020, 12:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That’s what he gets from reading all those books!

Sure wouldn't want that guy operating on me!

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-29-2020, 12:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sure wouldn't want that guy operating on me!

Me either since he isn’t a surgeon.

[fredtoast]

(07-29-2020, 09:49 AM)pally Wrote: For NFL players the most obvious concerns would be asthma and type 2 diabetes.  

Geno has sickle cell trait.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2020, 03:16 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Me either since he isn’t a surgeon.

I know that just saying he sure doesn't have a steady hand from the looks of it lol

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-29-2020, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Geno has sickle cell trait.

Sickle cell trait is usually not a problem. They have to maintain hydration in the heat. And the trainers and the player need to be aware of potential symptoms. Combine heat, exertion, and altitude then you may have a problem. It caused a sickling crisis in Ryan Clark in Denver and he had his spleen and gallbladder removed. He was able to play again, but as a precaution didn’t play in Denver again.

Covid 19 can cause clots which is not a good combination with a medical condition that can do the same.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2020, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Geno has sickle cell trait.

He is the one player I am concerned about on our team no doubt.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2020, 03:35 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Sickle cell trait is usually not a problem. They have to maintain hydration in the heat. And the trainers and the player need to be aware of potential symptoms. Combine heat, exertion, and altitude then you may have a problem. It caused a sickling crisis in Ryan Clark in Denver and he had his spleen and gallbladder removed. He was able to play again, but as a precaution didn’t play in Denver again.

Covid 19 can cause clots which is not a good combination with a medical condition that can do the same.

I know there was concern with Geno playing in Denver but he still played every time we went there pretty sure?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-29-2020, 03:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know there was concern with Geno playing in Denver but he still played every time we went there pretty sure?

IIRC, only 4 NCAA athletes with sickle cell trait experienced a problem during one year. So it is rare, but possible. The key to preventing a tragedy is prevention along with awareness of what to look for and what to do.

But, I have to imagine the decision to play with sickle cell trait and the risk of Covid 19 would certainly make one think twice about the risk.

[*pally*]

(07-29-2020, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Geno has sickle cell trait.

In the OP I noted that Geno had that trait.  And in the post you quoted, the next line was "statistically at least 1 player on each team has sickle trait" so it was noted that sickle trait was a concern.  However, Asthma and Type 2, are far more likely to be present in NFL players than sickly trait

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2020, 03:46 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: IIRC, only 4 NCAA athletes with sickle cell trait experienced a problem during one year. So it is rare, but possible. The key to preventing a tragedy is prevention along with awareness of what to look for and what to do.

But, I have to imagine the decision to play with sickle cell trait and the risk of Covid 19 would certainly make one think twice about the risk.

Yes, believe this is the case.

[Sled21]

(07-29-2020, 12:25 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Fauci doesn’t work for the FDA or any of the other organizations I listed except for the NIH. And Fauci practices evidence based medicine, not anecdotes.

Feel free to take Fauci's advice... he was big at the Wuhan clinic too. I'll listen to doctors like Stephen Smith who are actually treating patients. That's what's great about a free country.

[fredtoast]

(07-29-2020, 05:04 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Feel free to take Fauci's advice... he was big at the Wuhan clinic too. I'll listen to doctors like Stephen Smith who are actually treating patients. That's what's great about a free country.

Fauci had no connection with the Wuhan clinic and the only thing you know about Stephen Smith is that he appears on Fox News.  Most doctors that are "actually treating patients" trust Fauci over Smith.


When it comes to research I will trust research scientists over practicing physicians.  Why would anyone trust a practicing physician on research when it is illegal to give placeboes to patients?

[WestCoastBengalsFan]

(07-29-2020, 11:59 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: There's a lot of conflicting information about whether it's effective on it's own, or if it's better used in combination with other things.

Here's what I have found to be the best combination through extensive research:

-1 part hydroxychloroquine
-1 part Scrubbing Bubbles
-A Heaping tablespoon of cayene pepper
-2 Jolly Ranchers
-16 oz of water mixed with 3 squirts of Mio Rasberry Lemonade.

Give it a shot, and see if it works.  It can't hurt.  But whatever you do, do NOT drink it after midnight!!!!

You forgot it has to be administered up the butt, I don't make the rules, it's science. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-29-2020, 05:04 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Feel free to take Fauci's advice... he was big at the Wuhan clinic too. I'll listen to doctors like Stephen Smith who are actually treating patients. That's what's great about a free country.

The guy who claimed the beginning of the end of the pandemic was over 4M cases ago?

[Wes Mantooth]

(07-29-2020, 12:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Fauci has a noodle arm.

He's 79 years old.  I think he gets a pass.

[*Awful Llama*]

(07-29-2020, 05:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fauci had no connection with the Wuhan clinic and the only thing you know about Stephen Smith is that he appears on Fox News.  Most doctors that are "actually treating patients" trust Fauci over Smith.


When it comes to research I will trust research scientists over practicing physicians.  Why would anyone trust a practicing physician on research when it is illegal to give placeboes to patients?

(07-29-2020, 06:44 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The guy who claimed the beginning of the end of the pandemic was over 4M cases ago?

Thank you both for injuncting science ands reason into the discussion.  Given some in this crowd that can be quite the exercise in futility at times.  The cult is in total teeth-gnashing denial, and thanks to that the blocking feature here is getting a real workout.

[Sled21]

(07-29-2020, 05:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fauci had no connection with the Wuhan clinic and the only thing you know about Stephen Smith is that he appears on Fox News.  Most doctors that are "actually treating patients" trust Fauci over Smith.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

And that he got his degree from Yale, and has been an Infectious Disease Specialist for over 3 decades.


When it comes to research I will trust research scientists over practicing physicians.  Why would anyone trust a practicing physician on research when it is illegal to give placeboes to patients?

And when it comes to treatment, I will trust practicing doctors over research scientists. That's what's great, you do you and I'll do me. So go yank someone else's chain for awhile....

[*SHRacerX*]

(07-28-2020, 09:09 AM)pally Wrote: We are beginning to see players opt out of the 2020 season.  The Patriots just had their 4th player decide to skip.

Having a newborn in the house seems to be a theme so far.  We obviously have very little information on anyone with high-risk family members.  Geno Atkins has sickle trait which puts him at high risk.  Other players likely have type 2 diabetes or asthma.  Those big bodies on the OL and DL are more prone to blood clots.  


so what do you think....will we see any Bengal opt out

I don't think Geno sits out.  He has the recessive trait and even played in Denver before...My guess is the Pats are "sitting this season out" and going for Trevor Lawrence.  Worked (sort of) for the Colts bagging it after Manning to get Luck.  

Having a team of young guys could actually work out for the Bengals in this respect.  

[thompson19osu]

Interesting the list says sickle cell disease. I have read on here people wondering about Geno, however if he has sickle cell trait that is much different than sickle cell disease. Trait alone does not infer increased risk.