Is Trae Waynes a possible cut?

[BoomerFan]

(03-24-2021, 11:40 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think you're double counting some dead cap.

For example, if they cut him now, there'd be 12M in dead cap. That would be 2/3 of his signing bonus, a total of 10M from his signing bonus over the two remaining years + the 2M roster bonus that I believe he's already collected (it became guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2021 league year, which was...Sunday I think). If they had cut him during 2020, I don't think he was guaranteed that roster bonus, but I am not sure since Spotrac tabulates things in real time, so once it's collected, it's dead money.

If they cut him after 2022, then the dead cap is 5M, which is the final 3rd of his 15M signing bonus (which we already counted in the above scenario). 

The dead cap for 2020 is listed as 20M on spotrac for the same reason that the roster bonus is considered dead money. His first year's salary of 5M has already been collected. Or maybe it was guaranteed and they just don't include the first year salary in the guaranteed money figure when the contract is announced because they assume if you're signing a guy for 42 million dollars, he won't be cut in training camp. I'm not sure.

The point is, if you cut him now that he's collected his roster bonus, you have 12M for 2021 because the final 3rd of the signing bonus is now moved to the 2021 cap, since he isn't under contract for 2022 anymore. If you cut him in 2022, then it's just the 5M dead, since he's already collected the other 7M.

Now, if you cut him after 6/1, then you'd have 7M dead cap in 2021 and 5M dead cap in 2022 rather than all 12M in 2021, but the numbers still come out the same. It's just what year they are put in that changes.

Hopefully I'm making sense as I ramble.

Thank you, that actually makes sense.  

[Mobster]

(03-24-2021, 06:50 AM)Jhowdy54 Wrote: Not sure how his contract is built but with the recent signings of all these CBs I wonder if Waynes could be on his way out without playing one snap for the Bengals.  Maybe injury concerns are still there.  I personally don't want him to get cut.  I'd like to see what we paid all that money for. However if it means extending Bates long term I'd be for it.

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[Wes Mantooth]

(03-24-2021, 10:25 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I mean, we have an MRI machine in the stadium (one of only 2 teams in the league at that), so how do we not have medical facilities in the building?

A lot of other teams have MRI's in their indoor facilities, where they spend 99% of their time.

Hell, Pittsburgh has a whole "Center for Sports Medicine", which you can read about here:

The Center for Sports Medicine


UPMC Center for Sports Medicine at the UPMC Sports Performance Complex

The 40,000-square-foot (3,700 m2) UPMC Center for Sports Medicine, part of UPMC system flagship UPMC Presbyterian Shadyside, is one of the leading sports medicine centers in the United States[9] and is home for the University of Pittsburgh's and UPMC's Sports Medicine program whose medical faculty is ranked 9th among the top orthopaedic programs in the nation by U.S. News & World Report.[10] The center is overseen by renowned orthopedic surgeon Freddie Fu, which has led to it often being referred to as "Freddie's building".[6][7] In the Center for Sports Medicine building, both the Panthers and Steelers have on-site access to advanced comprehensive sports medicine care provided a team of sports medicine physicians, orthopaedic surgeons, athletic trainers and physical therapists all who specialize in all types of specific sport-related injuries. The full-time sports medicine team also includes sub-specialists in, sport psychology,[11] sports nutrition, sports massage therapy, sports concussion and sports performance enhancement. The center also conducts major injury prevention studies involving, for example, female knee ligament, shoulders, golf and cycling. It also serves as a research center for such areas as robotic surgery, stem cell tissue regeneration, concussion prevention and human motion.[7]

The center's Sports Concussion Program is directed by some of the country's leading researchers in sports concussion management, including Mark Lovell, Ph.D., director of the NFL and NHL's neuro-cognitive testing program.[12] The program's goals involve developing methods of evaluating the short- and long-term effects of concussion so that a better determination can be made as to when it is safe for an athlete to return to active sports following a concussion.[13][14]
The center has private examination rooms, and on-site digital x-ray units, and an open magnetic resonance imaging unit designed specifically for the types of musculoskeletal conditions and injuries commonly seen at the center. The diagnostic imaging equipment is highlighted by UPMC-developed filmless digital radiology workstations that provide high-precision x-ray and MRI displays in each of the 34 exam rooms that is instantly accessible on-site via computerized web-based images that can be stored as well as clearly transmitted for consultation anywhere in the world.[15]

The center's 6,000-square-foot (560 m2) physical therapy and rehabilitation area is fully equipped for physical therapists and athletic trainers to direct specific types of injury rehabilitation. The physical therapy and rehab area also has a 25-by-30-foot (7.6 by 9.1 m) therapeutic pool and a functional gym providing athletes with functional assessment of their rehabilitation progress with their therapist on site. The training and rehabilitation gym is equipped with extensive circuit machines, free weights, and isokinetic and aerobic equipment, a plyometric training floor to help recovering athletes regain power and restore quick movement capabilities, and specialized equipment and training area to simulate an athlete's performance requirements.[15]

In addition to sports injury management, the center also provides a comprehensive Sports Performance Program that is individualized to each athlete, concentrating on achieving optimal athletic performance while preventing injury. The program usually begins with advanced neuro-musculoskeletal assessment in the center's Neuromuscular Research Laboratory.[16] Specific components of the program may include strengthening and conditioning, improving speed, agility and joint stability, identifying and managing any potential areas of weakness, injury prevention, sports massage therapy and nutrition counseling as well as sport-specific skills training. The Sports Performance Program serves a daily clientele with individualized goals for personal fitness and athletic performance ranging from world-famous elite and professional athletes to nationally known college athletes to local high school and recreational athletes. The center also provides all of its services to many non-athletes with other types of musculoskeletal injuries related to physical activity.[17]
Hundreds of elite athletes and famous individuals have been served at the UPMC Sport Performance Complex including, to name a few, golfer Greg Norman, Tour de France winners Miguel Indurain and Greg LeMond, wrestler Kurt Angle, hockey star Mario Lemieux, hurdler Roger Kingdom, football stars Dan Marino and Jerome Bettis, ballet star Mikhail Baryshnikov, actress Kathleen Turner, along with other athletes from the Panthers, Steelers

[*bfine32*]

(03-25-2021, 12:21 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: A lot of other teams have MRI's in their indoor facilities, where they spend 99% of their time.

Hell, Pittsburgh has a whole "Center for Sports Medicine", which you can read about here:

The Center for Sports Medicine

Unsure how that disputes the post that we are only 1 of 2 teams to have an MRI machine at the stadium. But I suppose that facility will be helpful the next time someone gets injured in a Steelers' game.  

[Wes Mantooth]

(03-25-2021, 12:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Unsure how that disputes the post that we are only 1 of 2 teams to have an MRI machine at the stadium.

It wasn't meant to dispute, it was meant for context.

I've seen that 1 of only 2 teams thing a few times and I thought it was important to note that reason the number is so low is because a lot of teams house them at their practice facility, which makes perfect sense because that's where they spend the most of their time.

[JerseyDD09]

It's really sad and comical that we're probably the only fan base who will debate back and forth for a whole 3 pages of posting on if the Bengals have enough equipment in their facility to rehab their players or have state of the art equipment. It's so sad really that this is what it comes to.
We all know they have anything their players need to rehab there.

But, anyone who's had a major surgery and does their rehab knows you really only need the basics in order to rehab the injury even though the Bengals provide so much more.

Training Tables??? CHECK
Cold tubs, heating pads and ultra sounds??? CHECK
Resistance Bands??? CHECK
10,000 sq ft Weight room with mini turf field??? CHECK
Trainers??? CHECK
MRI Machine??? CHECK
Underwater Treadmill??? CHECK

Ok, did everyone provide enough evidence to the non believers and ignorant ones yet??? CHECK

Can we all move on now to more important debates such as has Kerrigan signed yet and do you like the signing???? CHECK!

[*rfaulk34*]

(03-25-2021, 01:10 AM)JerseyDD09 Wrote: Can we all move on now to more important debates such as has Kerrigan signed yet and do you like the signing???? CHECK!

Seems like throwing money away on a guy that's going to be 33 when the season starts and is in a free-fall, stats wise, in the last 2 seasons. 

It's like...people see a name and they think they're getting a guy from 5 years ago. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

Depends on how he plays but I think he should be as good as Dre anyways. Always keep all options open.

If he sucks this year, cut him next year, will be much cheaper from what I know.