Zac Taylor vs Marvin Lewis

[TecmoBengals]

(12-26-2021, 09:53 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I guess we will see.  I'm on board with guzzling the orange Flavorade and declaring Burrow the best QB we've had in 50+ years, but I'm a bit more hesitant to declare ZT anything but a lucky guy who is getting carried to victory by that QB who is already better than you know...multiple MVP QBs we've had.

I agree and thus the big if Zac wins a playoff game. For all we know he loses the next two games and then the orange flavorade quits pouring.

[*Nately120*]

(12-26-2021, 10:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bengal fans are probably the only ones who ignore regular season games and Super Bowls and instead just judge coaches on playoff wins.

No other fan base would think Dom Capers, Mike Mularky, and Jim Haslett were all better head coaches than Marvin Lewis.

If ZT is good he can be the Art Garfunkel or John Oates to Burrow's Paul Simon or Darryl Hall.  If ZT sucks then he will be the Andrew Ridgeley to Burrow's George Michael.  He's never going to be the better half of the duo, but we can hope he can do more than nothing.

Marvin had Dalton and Palmer and they're more like the guys in CCR who weren't John Fogerty.

[Bengalitis]

(12-25-2021, 03:12 AM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: I am disqualifying myself from objectively participating in this thread due to my intense dislike of Zac Taylor as a coach.  Thank you, and carry on.

Zac is horrible but hey, when you get the right talent to carry you through the waves... who can complain, right? I just hope he only gets yearly contracts going forward.

[TecmoBengals]

(12-26-2021, 10:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bengal fans are probably the only ones who ignore regular season games and Super Bowls and instead just judge coaches on playoff wins.

No other fan base would think Dom Capers, Mike Mularky, and Jim Haslett were all better head coaches than Marvin Lewis.

30 seasons without a win will do that to a fan base. If Zac wins a playoff game it doesn't mean he's the Bengals coaching GOAT, but I'd be hopeful it lays a foundation for him becoming one of the best Bengals coaches ever. He'll certainly need some longevity to reach Marvin's win total.

[Benton]

Little late to the party, but me 2 cents.

I never credited ML with building a roster. Kind of the opposite. Hell, not 'kind of.'

ML was horrible about not playing guys he didn't like or he didn't think fit in. He preferred middle-of-the-road guys over guys who might have an upside. He valued consistency, even if it meant mediocrity.

Marvin played games with the mindset that if he stayed at an even keel, he'd just win when the other team made a mistake.

I don't think ZT coaches that way. And we haven't built rosters that way the last few years.

[Shake n Blake]

(12-26-2021, 09:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No it isn't.  Not even close.  The '90's was the era that created the "bungles".  Marvin's tenure was the longets sustained winning era in team history.

False.

From 1973 to 1988 (16 seasons):

127-111 (.534 win %)
8 winning seasons
2 super bowls

Marvin from 2003 to 2018 (16 seasons)

131-122-3 (.518 win %)
7 winning seasons
0 playoff wins

If you want to talk about 2011 to 2015, fine, but you said "Marv's tenure was the longest sustained winning era in franchise history". This isn't true.

[Rubekahn29]

Something else to consider. IF Taylor can get to the playoffs this year. He would have done it in the same amount of years as Marvin Lewis, 3. Yeah, his 1st years are uglier than Marvs, but he would have accomplished the same thing in the same amount of time. If that’s the case, I feel you can wipe the slate clean for Taylor, and see where he takes us from there. Remember, there were 4 years between Marvin’s 1st playoff appearance and 2nd playoff appearance.

[fredtoast]

(12-26-2021, 11:04 PM)Benton Wrote: ML was horrible about not playing guys he didn't like or he didn't think fit in. 

Actually he was much smarter than the fans about this because not a single player the fans claimed he was "holding back" ever went on to be a good player on another team.

Every year fans were crying about how Marvin was keeping some star on the bench, but when those players moved on to other teams they never became big contributors.  WR Kevin Walter is the only example I can think of in 16 years, but the funny thing is that I don't remember Kevin being a big favorite of Bengal fans.