Tee’s market price

[BenZoo2]

(02-04-2025, 01:40 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Really, that happens here?  

Shocking, I know.

[ERIC1]

(02-04-2025, 12:33 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Are folks somehow trying to say that AJ Brown and DeVontae Smith don't make the Eagles better?

eagles are very good because of toughness in both trenches..something we lack significantly

[*bfine32*]

(02-04-2025, 10:42 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: eagles are very good because of toughness in both trenches..something we lack significantly

Lots of Teams are "tough in the trenches". 

[007BengalsFan]

(02-04-2025, 12:48 AM)J24 Wrote: So? You are arguing over semantics! The Eagles have two player being paid at the top 15 players at the same position.

The Eagles are paying Hurts 51 million per year.  They are paying AJ Brown 32 million per year.  They are paying Smith 25 million per year.  The total between the QB and his two WRs is 108 million per year.

The Bengals are paying Joe Burrow 55 million per year.  This means the Bengals would have 53 million left to pay Chase and Higgins if comparing to what the Eagles are spending for their QB + top 2 WRs.  The Bengals could give Higgins his 25 million per year which would leave Chase 28 million per year.  You think Chase would go for that to keep the gang together?  Justin Jefferson got 35 million per year.  If you give Chase a better contract at 36 million per year that leaves Tee 17 million per year.  The comparison to the Eagles isnt valid because the Bengals would end up spending several million more on the QB + WR1 +WR2

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-04-2025, 09:21 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The Eagles are paying Hurts 51 million per year.  They are paying AJ Brown 32 million per year.  They are paying Smith 25 million per year.  The total between the QB and his two WRs is 108 million per year.

The Bengals are paying Joe Burrow 55 million per year.  This means the Bengals would have 53 million left to pay Chase and Higgins if comparing to what the Eagles are spending for their QB + top 2 WRs.  The Bengals could give Higgins his 25 million per year which would leave Chase 28 million per year.  You think Chase would go for that to keep the gang together?  Justin Jefferson got 35 million per year.  If you give Chase a better contract at 36 million per year that leaves Tee 17 million per year.  The comparison to the Eagles isnt valid because the Bengals would end up spending several million more on the QB + WR1 +WR2

Time for another look at the Bengals cap outlook

Assuming the Bengals extend/sign:
- Tee (4yr, 28M APY)
- Chase (4yr, 35M, maybe needs to be higher)
- Hendrickson (2yr, 26.5M)

In 2025 they'd have $87M in space with 52 players rostered.

They'd have to fit 25 players into ~$95M… pic.twitter.com/HzUKcHdVh9

— Jake Liscow (@JakeLiscow) February 4, 2025

 


I just saw this earlier and was wondering where to post it. I guess as a response here is as good a place as any. But I don't think the difference in what is relatively a few million that big of a deal. Especially considering the cap continuing to rise.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-04-2025, 10:00 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote:

Time for another look at the Bengals cap outlook

Assuming the Bengals extend/sign:
- Tee (4yr, 28M APY)
- Chase (4yr, 35M, maybe needs to be higher)
- Hendrickson (2yr, 26.5M)

In 2025 they'd have $87M in space with 52 players rostered.

They'd have to fit 25 players into ~$95M… pic.twitter.com/HzUKcHdVh9

— Jake Liscow (@JakeLiscow) February 4, 2025

 


I just saw this earlier and was wondering where to post it. I guess as a response here is as good a place as any. But I don't think the difference in what is relatively a few million that big of a deal. Especially considering the cap continuing to rise.

That's still a stupid move. It doesn't even begin to account for improving the team in any other areas, but suggests that the team will survive off of "drafting well" and letting guys that are on rookie contracts now, leave when they are developed players? Idiotic.

[pulses]

(02-04-2025, 10:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's still a stupid move. It doesn't even begin to account for improving the team in any other areas, but suggests that the team will survive off of "drafting well" and letting guys that are on rookie contracts now, leave when they are developed players? Idiotic.

I totally agree with this .

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-04-2025, 10:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's still a stupid move. It doesn't even begin to account for improving the team in any other areas, but suggests that the team will survive off of "drafting well" and letting guys that are on rookie contracts now, leave when they are developed players? Idiotic.

Okay it looks like things would be tight for a couple of years. But you could still get some outside free agents this year and be able to retain some players in the next couple of years. These are also numbers now not to say what can change as time goes forward. The Bengals have got them into a bit of a mess and that's there own fault. One could say letting a high level player on a team that only has a FEW leave as being. Idiotic.

[Bengalbug]

(02-04-2025, 10:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's still a stupid move. It doesn't even begin to account for improving the team in any other areas, but suggests that the team will survive off of "drafting well" and letting guys that are on rookie contracts now, leave when they are developed players? Idiotic.

Once the players develop, then you have the tough conversation about Tee. That’s at least 3 years away. It’s idiotic to say, “nah, we good”… any sooner than you have to.

If Tee and Trey leave, it’s idiotic to think we will replace them with more WAR players than those two bring to the table. We saw this with whit, reader, bates. If tee walks, you are a chase injury away from having, arguably, the worst WR room in the NFL.

[Bengalbug]

(02-04-2025, 11:18 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Okay it looks like things would be tight for a couple of years. But you could still get some outside free agents this year and be able to retain some players in the next couple of years. These are also numbers now not to say what can change as time goes forward. The Bengals have got them into a bit of a mess and that's there own fault. One could say letting a high level player on a team that only has a FEW leave as being. Idiotic.

This is correct. Let’s let a known commodity go, because we draft and develop so well. Oh, I almost forgot how we just are great at bringing in outside free agents.

For those saying bring in guys like Zeitler, I am not opposed. But this team simply doesn’t bring in older vets and Rankins/Brown from last year are not going to help with that narrative.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-04-2025, 09:21 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The Eagles are paying Hurts 51 million per year.  They are paying AJ Brown 32 million per year.  They are paying Smith 25 million per year.  The total between the QB and his two WRs is 108 million per year.

The Bengals are paying Joe Burrow 55 million per year.  This means the Bengals would have 53 million left to pay Chase and Higgins if comparing to what the Eagles are spending for their QB + top 2 WRs.  The Bengals could give Higgins his 25 million per year which would leave Chase 28 million per year.  You think Chase would go for that to keep the gang together?  Justin Jefferson got 35 million per year.  If you give Chase a better contract at 36 million per year that leaves Tee 17 million per year.  The comparison to the Eagles isnt valid because the Bengals would end up spending several million more on the QB + WR1 +WR2

....and the Eagles are only making that work because they are both drafting amazingly and they are kicking all of their cap hits down the road with void years. In 2027 they already have $228m in cap spending. In fact they lead the entire NFL in cap spending for '27, '28, '29, and '30. 

They have $189m in cap allocations for 2028 with just 6 players under contract.
They have $199m in cap allocations for 2029 with just 1 player under contract.

And again, it's only working now because they are drafting amazingly. Also for every Eagles there's a Dolphins, and Browns, and Jaguars, etc.... and possibly the 49ers? (The 49ers, who missed the playoffs, have $223m in cap allocations for 2027 and HAVEN'T paid a QB).

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The Eagles GM can ignore their future because the GM is not winning a SB away from being fired and if he fails to win a SB, he won't have to live with the results because he will be fired.

The Bengals have to live with what they do to the future because they're not firing family. Now the Bengals can certainly afford to push a bit MORE into the future as they're well below average on future cap allocations (which is probably a pretty big result of all the bad drafts) but you really shouldn't use the Eagles as a blueprint to try to emulate as you will fail and then your team will collapse in the future.

[ERIC1]

(02-04-2025, 07:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Lots of Teams are "tough in the trenches". 

not the Bengals..and this is the problem

[ERIC1]

(02-05-2025, 01:30 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Once the players develop, then you have the tough conversation about Tee.  That’s at least 3 years away.  It’s idiotic to say, “nah, we good”… any sooner than you have to.  

If Tee and Trey leave, it’s idiotic to think we will replace them with more WAR players than those two bring to the table.  We saw this with whit, reader, bates.  If tee walks, you are a chase injury away from having, arguably, the worst WR room in the NFL.

dude ..you simply cannot pay a number 2 receiver  that is chronically hurt 25 million a year..there are a lotta whatta ifs in sports...

[QueenCity]

Any news yet?! The off-season takes so long to get rolling :)

[BenZoo2]

(02-05-2025, 09:40 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: ....and the Eagles are only making that work because they are both drafting amazingly and they are kicking all of their cap hits down the road with void years. In 2027 they already have $228m in cap spending. In fact they lead the entire NFL in cap spending for '27, '28, '29, and '30. 

They have $189m in cap allocations for 2028 with just 6 players under contract.
They have $199m in cap allocations for 2029 with just 1 player under contract.

And again, it's only working now because they are drafting amazingly. Also for every Eagles there's a Dolphins, and Browns, and Jaguars, etc.... and possibly the 49ers? (The 49ers, who missed the playoffs, have $223m in cap allocations for 2027 and HAVEN'T paid a QB).

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The Eagles GM can ignore their future because the GM is not winning a SB away from being fired and if he fails to win a SB, he won't have to live with the results because he will be fired.

The Bengals have to live with what they do to the future because they're not firing family. Now the Bengals can certainly afford to push a bit MORE into the future as they're well below average on future cap allocations (which is probably a pretty big result of all the bad drafts) but you really shouldn't use the Eagles as a blueprint to try to emulate as you will fail and then your team will collapse in the future.

Teams in this situation seem to get bailed out by the ever increasing salary cap.  Or restructuring older players to convert to salary or bonus before cutting them.  The saints are always kicking the can down the road and until recently seemed to finally have to ge5 rid of guys.

[*ochocincos*]

Why do I have the feeling rather than the Bengals getting an extension done before FA starts, instead the FO will have Higgins "test the market" on for Higgins to come back and say "I'm getting X from these teams, what about you?" and Bengals going "Oh no, that's wayyyyy higher than we were thinking!"

[ERIC1]

(02-04-2025, 09:21 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The Eagles are paying Hurts 51 million per year.  They are paying AJ Brown 32 million per year.  They are paying Smith 25 million per year.  The total between the QB and his two WRs is 108 million per year.

The Bengals are paying Joe Burrow 55 million per year.  This means the Bengals would have 53 million left to pay Chase and Higgins if comparing to what the Eagles are spending for their QB + top 2 WRs.  The Bengals could give Higgins his 25 million per year which would leave Chase 28 million per year.  You think Chase would go for that to keep the gang together?  Justin Jefferson got 35 million per year.  If you give Chase a better contract at 36 million per year that leaves Tee 17 million per year.  The comparison to the Eagles isnt valid because the Bengals would end up spending several million more on the QB + WR1 +WR2

but..the eagles have drafted well and done well in FA and have the necessary good players  to do well..the Bengals have not..we need to spend  the money in many areas and wisely..I would not pay Higgins for one very important consideration..he cant stay healthy..not only does he miss games..if you have not noticed he misses parts of many games  because of his chronic hamstring problems

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-05-2025, 12:21 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: The saints are always kicking the can down the road and until recently seemed to finally have to ge5 rid of guys.

And kicking the can down the road made the Saints just like the Steelers. They kept kicking the can down the road always trying to avoid paying the piper, and they haven't won shit because of it because they didn't want to just take their medicine and absolutely suck for a handful of years.

Saints had a HoF coach and HoF QB and won 3 playoff games in 11 years (never more than one in a season) and missed the playoffs in 7 of those 11 years.
Steelers haven't won a playoff game since 9 years ago.

[jj22]

Keep in mind some of these players will get  tagged, but for those who say if we don't extend Tee who else is there to spend the money on in FA...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-tee-higgins-sam-darnold-headline-top-50-free-agents-this-offseason/


I see some Guards, Safeties, DT's, CB's etc...

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-05-2025, 01:02 PM)jj22 Wrote: Keep in mind some of these players will get  tagged, but for those who say if we don't extend Tee who else is there to spend the money on in FA...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-tee-higgins-sam-darnold-headline-top-50-free-agents-this-offseason/


I see some Guards, Safeties, DT's, CB's etc...

Plus there will be plenty more guys added to that list who were cap casualties.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10149931-every-teams-most-likely-cap-casualties-ahead-of-2025-nfl-offseason