Tee’s market price

[higgy100]

(02-19-2025, 03:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, in a way I kind of hope Joe is just being a great friend to Tee. In the end the Defense needs to improve the most and if we bring back 
Gesicki and add another WR to go with the IOL upgrades I think the Offense will be more than fine without Tee who misses a lot of time anyways.

I think Joe sees how great Tee really is and how this offense can go more than anything. There's few guys in this league that can go up and get balls like Tee can and I'm talking about snagging balls in another atmosphere, far above any DB. It really just expands the vertical space on the field with those "go up and get" timing patterns that have changed the outcomes of games, not to mention "pick your poison".

Joe sees several teams in this league that do have excellent 1-2 WR's, and an excellent TE and really good defenders. Why can't we is the battle cry that Joe is directing to MB and Katie and Troy.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-19-2025, 04:24 PM)higgy100 Wrote: I think Joe sees how great Tee really is and how this offense can go more than anything. There's few guys in this league that can go up and get balls like Tee can and I'm talking about snagging balls in another atmosphere, far above any DB. It really just expands the vertical space on the field with those "go up and get" timing patterns that have changed the outcomes of games, not to mention "pick your poison".

Joe sees several teams in this league that do have excellent 1-2 WR's, and an excellent TE and really good defenders. Why can't we is the battle cry that Joe is directing to MB and Katie and Troy.

Most definitely, when Tee DOES play, he is just reaching his prime as far as a player. He will miss a lot of games though as we have seen.

It is a tricky situation, I wish what I said earlier could be in the cards with somewhat of an incentive laden contract for Tee if we do extend him
where he would get paid much more for staying healthy. That way he would be worth the 26+ mil or whatever he will command.

Tee is about as good as it gets snatching the ball out of the air above DB's and Ja'Marr and him are the best duo in the NFL when both are 
healthy with Joe Burrow. Tee is also proven when he does play which is why I understand the ones wanting Tee back.

I also understand the other side wanting to upgrade the Defense the most and honestly this is where I lean, but I cannot doubt Tee as far as 
the player when he is on the field.

[Speedy Thomas]

If our QB is willing to restructure his contract to keep Tee in stripes, and the front office declines, what are they saying to Burrow? Starts with F and ends with "you."

Carson Palmer gets a lot of hate but he was using the leverage he had to move the organization forward. In a more subtle way Burrow is trying to do the same thing. I think we have to sign Tee.

[ERIC1]

(02-19-2025, 04:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Most definitely, when Tee DOES play, he is just reaching his prime as far as a player. He will miss a lot of games though as we have seen.

It is a tricky situation, I wish what I said earlier could be in the cards with somewhat of an incentive laden contract for Tee if we do extend him
where he would get paid much more for staying healthy. That way he would be worth the 26+ mil or whatever he will command.

Tee is about as good as it gets snatching the ball out of the air above DB's and Ja'Marr and him are the best duo in the NFL when both are 
healthy with Joe Burrow. Tee is also proven when he does play which is why I understand the ones wanting Tee back.

I also understand the other side wanting to upgrade the Defense the most and honestly this is where I lean, but I cannot doubt Tee as far as 
the player when he is on the field.

nate ..herein lies the problem..Tee cant stay healthy..Frankly..even if we had all the other pieces in place..I still would have serious doubts about signing Tee Higgins...Now..would it not really be cool if we could pay Tee for actual complete games played?..game by game

[ERIC1]

(02-19-2025, 04:58 PM)Speedy Thomas Wrote: If our QB is willing to restructure his contract to keep Tee in stripes, and the front office declines, what are they saying to Burrow?  Starts with F and ends with "you."

Carson Palmer gets a lot of hate but he was using the leverage he had to move the organization forward.  In a more subtle way Burrow is trying to do the same thing.  I think we have to sign Tee.

if tee goes elswhere ..he will continue to be good friends with joe and Burrow will give it a 110% every game

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-19-2025, 07:50 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: nate ..herein lies the problem..Tee cant stay healthy..Frankly..even if we had all the other pieces in place..I still would have serious doubts about signing Tee Higgins...Now..would it not really be cool if we could pay Tee for actual complete games played?..game by game

Cannot disagree...

[WeezyBengal]

(02-19-2025, 07:50 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: nate ..herein lies the problem..Tee cant stay healthy..Frankly..even if we had all the other pieces in place..I still would have serious doubts about signing Tee Higgins...Now..would it not really be cool if we could pay Tee for actual complete games played?..game by game

You are acting like Tee has missed a ton of games over his career or something. 

He's missed 13 of the possible 90 games he's played in the NFL and has never missed 3 consecutive games. He plays through a lot of what he deals with. 

Like I get he gets banged up a little bit and deals with some sosft tissue injuries, but you're being a bit dramatic about it. There's no way that kind of "injury history" is completely stopping me from re-signing him. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 12:39 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You are acting like Tee has missed a ton of games over his career or something. 

He's missed 13 of the possible 90 games he's played in the NFL and has never missed 3 consecutive games. He plays through a lot of what he deals with. 

Like I get he gets banged up a little bit and deals with some sosft tissue injuries, but you're being a bit dramatic about it. There's no way that kind of "injury history" is completely stopping me from re-signing him. 

Yeah, it is more middle ground than what he is saying here. Tee has problems staying healthy, but he will still play and be extremely effective 
when he does play. Like you say Weezy, he has never missed 3 consecutive games, he just tends to have those nagging hammy issues and 
they seem to get worse over time unless he does something like Housh did.

Honestly, if we pay Tee I hope he talks to Housh about that yoga stuff or whatever he did to help him stay healthy in his career.

[Hammerstripes]

All of these "trade" and "tag and trade" and sign a vet free agent ideas are all a major risk. There's no guarantee the guys that we would get in the draft or free agency are going to actually come here and make the team better. Hell, how many threads have we seen talking about how bad the Bengals drafts have been outside of getting Higgins, Burrow and Chase?

There's no way I would trade him for picks. There's also no way I'd let him go and then "hope" a veteran WR comes in and fills his shoes. Coaches talk about systems. Zac's system has always been heavily reliant on 2 WRs. Some teams use 2 TEs etc. I have no problem paying Tee for a couple of reasons:

1. We know what we have
2. The cap is going up 20-million per year

For those that think we can spend the money and fix the problems on our defense and o-line, we can do that even with signing Tee. It's not like we are going to go out and bring in Trey Smith and a bunch of other Tier 1 free agents. Sign our own, fill in the holes with the Tier 2 guys. That gives the team the best chance of success. Hell, that's how we got to the Super Bowl a few year's back.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 12:39 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You are acting like Tee has missed a ton of games over his career or something. 

He's missed 13 of the possible 90 games he's played in the NFL and has never missed 3 consecutive games. He plays through a lot of what he deals with. 

Like I get he gets banged up a little bit and deals with some sosft tissue injuries, but you're being a bit dramatic about it. There's no way that kind of "injury history" is completely stopping me from re-signing him. 

higgins has missed ten games the past two years and left early in another 7..Per instructions of the Board Directors I will not comment on any tee higgins injury but if it were just a "nagging soft tissue injury".. I would not have any issues in resigning him

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 07:40 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: All of these "trade" and "tag and trade" and sign a vet free agent ideas are all a major risk.  There's no guarantee the guys that we would get in the draft or free agency are going to actually come here and make the team better.  Hell, how many threads have we seen talking about how bad the Bengals drafts have been outside of getting Higgins, Burrow and Chase?

There's no way I would trade him for picks.  There's also no way I'd let him go and then "hope" a veteran WR comes in and fills his shoes.   Coaches talk about systems.  Zac's system has always been heavily reliant on 2 WRs.  Some teams use 2 TEs etc.  I have no problem paying Tee for a couple of reasons:

1.  We know what we have
2.  The cap is going up 20-million per year

For those that think we can spend the money and fix the problems on our defense and o-line, we can do that even with signing Tee.  It's not like we are going to go out and bring in Trey Smith and a bunch of other Tier 1 free agents.  Sign our own, fill in the holes with the Tier 2 guys.  That gives the team the best chance of success.  Hell, that's how we got to the Super Bowl a few year's back.

my feelings remain the same..tee..a great guy..very good receiver but cannot stay healthy and you just dont pay someone 25 million a year that is going to miss almost a third of a season

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 02:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, it is more middle ground than what he is saying here. Tee has problems staying healthy, but he will still play and be extremely effective 
when he does play. Like you say Weezy, he has never missed 3 consecutive games, he just tends to have those nagging hammy issues and 
they seem to get worse over time unless he does something like Housh did.

Honestly, if we pay Tee I hope he talks to Housh about that yoga stuff or whatever he did to help him stay healthy in his career.

and thats  like saying  Joe Burrow will be extremely effective  when he plays but we have to realize that he will miss five /six games of the season and only play about half a game in another 3

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 12:39 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You are acting like Tee has missed a ton of games over his career or something. 

He's missed 13 of the possible 90 games he's played in the NFL and has never missed 3 consecutive games. He plays through a lot of what he deals with. 

Like I get he gets banged up a little bit and deals with some sosft tissue injuries, but you're being a bit dramatic about it. There's no way that kind of "injury history" is completely stopping me from re-signing him. 

Weezy, he's started 62 of a possible 86 regular season games, that's 72% of the time he was able to be on the field and ready to play at kickoff. That is why so many are cautious about signing him to a mega deal.

[Ell Prez]

(02-19-2025, 11:36 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I doubt the plan was to keep higgins until Burrow started speaking up..we dont need anybody as good as Tee..WE need someone that can stay healthy, run simple 12-14 yard routes and catch the football...If this team does not do something dramatic to address both sides of the trenches..even if higgins played the full season ..we still would end up .500...ID tag him and trade him

Last offseason Tobin said “get yoir own receiver” about training Higgins.

We have receivers who run 12-14 yards. How is Andre doing?

Look, if Tobin and Brown came out and said, option one is extend tee.
Option 2 is go attack free agency hard and get a top talent OL or DL, I’m picking option 2. But who is that top talent in FA? And do you have faith the bengals would get him? It’s not like not extending tee nets us 2 super stars. The money we don’t pay tee, would/should go to pay 1 really good DL/OL.

Sadly I don’t trust the front office to do this, thus I’ve fallen into the Lee Tee camp.

[Ell Prez]

(02-19-2025, 11:33 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and you keep forgetting one thing..Tee Higgins misses an extraordinary amount of games each yeatr with injuries

Ok, so if we don’t keep Tee, my point is WR is a massive need for this team. Contrary to what some here believe, you can’t just run scrubs out at wr and say Burrow makes them good. Show me where that has been done. Which wr was bad and then went to a top 3 QB and became a good player.
Maybe our WR 2 doesn’t need to be as good as Tee, but who are we replacing him with? Andre has proven he’s not a #2 wr. He’s a decent #3, not even a “good” #3.

[Frank Booth]

(7 hours ago)Ell Prez Wrote: Ok, so if we don’t keep Tee, my point is WR is a massive need for this team. Contrary to what some here believe, you can’t just run scrubs out at wr and say Burrow makes them good. Show me where that has been done. Which wr was bad and then went to a top 3 QB and became a good player.
Maybe our WR 2 doesn’t need to be as good as Tee, but who are we replacing him with? Andre has proven he’s not a #2 wr. He’s a decent #3, not even a “good” #3.

bengals are always finding these 1 year prove it TE's. It worked with 2 out of the 3 times they tried it

nothing is stopping them from utilizing that strategy for WR this year if tee isnt playing in cincy in 2025

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 08:36 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: and thats  like saying  Joe Burrow will be extremely effective  when he plays but we have to realize that he will miss five /six games of the season and only play about half a game in another 3

No it is not. Tee misses some games every year, but he is also not as injured as you make him out to be either. There is a reason if he tested
the market that he is the consensus #1 FA this year. Tee is extremely talented and is still young. Like I said, if we Tag him and maybe even 
extend him I sure hope he talks to Housh about what he did to help him stay healthy after an early career with hammy issues that cleared up.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(7 hours ago)Ell Prez Wrote: Ok, so if we don’t keep Tee, my point is WR is a massive need for this team. Contrary to what some here believe, you can’t just run scrubs out at wr and say Burrow makes them good. Show me where that has been done. Which wr was bad and then went to a top 3 QB and became a good player.
Maybe our WR 2 doesn’t need to be as good as Tee, but who are we replacing him with? Andre has proven he’s not a #2 wr. He’s a decent #3, not even a “good” #3.

Nice post Ell Prez. We all saw how Mahomes game fell off once he had WR's that couldn't catch the ball.

Doesn't matter how good of a QB you have if the Receivers have bad hands. Tee has reliable hands and is a big target for Burrow
and gives us another dimension that not many teams have. Like I said, I would be all for tagging and trading Tee, but we know what
we have in Tee as a player and we wouldn't know what we had in a Draft pick.

(4 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: bengals are always finding these 1 year prove it TE's. It worked with 2 out of the 3 times they tried it

nothing is stopping them from utilizing that strategy for WR this year if tee isnt playing in cincy in 2025

All for bringing back Gesicki and adding a TE especially if Tee leaves. But Ell Prez is right about our current WR's, we don't have an answer
for #2 if Tee is not here. We would have to use an early pick on a WR or a TE and I don't like being forced to pick a position early in any 
Draft, let alone one with a weak WR class like this one.

[Ell Prez]

(4 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: bengals are always finding these 1 year prove it TE's. It worked with 2 out of the 3 times they tried it

nothing is stopping them from utilizing that strategy for WR this year if tee isnt playing in cincy in 2025

They had failure too with Irving Smith (was that his name?) why isn’t Andre better? Why wasn’t Irwin a good player. He didn’t move the needle. Tee certainly does

[Frank Booth]

(1 hour ago)Ell Prez Wrote: They had failure too with Irving Smith (was that his name?) why isn’t Andre better? Why wasn’t Irwin a good player. He didn’t move the needle. Tee certainly does

thats why I said 2 out of the 3. Gesicki and Hurst worked, Irv didnt. Yoshi is a 6th round or 7th round pick. Irwin is undrafted. Those 2 have nothing to do with what im talking about

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