Happy Tampering Day

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-26-2025, 03:24 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: I have been beating the TE drum. I think Drew Sample is our poorest starter at any position. Evan worsr than G (Volson/Ford), WR3 (Yoshi), DE2 (Ossai), S (Soine & Battle), and PK (McPherson). 

While we have two viable starters at DT in Hill & Slaton. Which makes the DT a rotational piece. Now, I'd love for that DT to be a stud va run & pass & make BJ or slaton a reserve. And I do think Nolen, Grant, or Harmon could do it. 

But by the same token, BJ/Slaton are better at their jobs than Sample is at his. Having Gesicki as a WR4/TE2 kind of mitigates our shortcomings at TE1 & WR3, though..

If my chiice is Warren or Nolen, I'd take Warren. 

I agree, Warren would just open up the Offense so much and he can play both TE in the passing game and H-back in both the running and
passing game. Plus, who knows if Nolen's character problems rear their head as a rookie like Burton's did? We can get a DL in the 2nd round
to rush the passer or a Guard depending on BPA.

[coachmcneil71]

(03-26-2025, 02:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is a tough one. Maybe they go with Warren because there are no character concerns with him?

I would agree with this take even though a pass rushing 3-tech is more of a need for us than a great all around TE.

But Erick All's injury actually makes an all around TE a bigger need than maybe some like to admit.

The obvious choices would probably be Nolen or Grant. The Safety from SC was already off the board.

I just like the idea of Chase and Tee combined with Gesicki and Warren. Burton who? That's some serious weaponry with high gimmick play probability. Warren could also play some Full-Back/catch passes out of the backfield, plus he would be joining on a rookie 4 year deal that pairs nicely with the Chase/Tee/Gesicki deals. 

I wouldn't be upset either way.

[coachmcneil71]

(03-26-2025, 03:58 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: I don’t think I’ve seen one site that has Warren ranked lower than nolen as prospect.  Odds would be fairly high if Warren is there he would be “bpa”.  We shall see come draft night 

Walter's latest mock has Nolen going #17 and Warren going #18.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-27-2025, 04:23 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: The obvious choices would probably be Nolen or Grant. The Safety from SC was already off the board.

I just like the idea of Chase and Tee combined with Gesicki and Warren. Burton who? That's some serious weaponry with high gimmick play probability. Warren could also play some Full-Back/catch passes out of the backfield, plus he would be joining on a rookie 4 year deal that pairs nicely with the Chase/Tee/Gesicki deals. 

I wouldn't be upset either way.

All good thoughts Coach. The more I think about it I would take Warren every time if that is what is staring us in the face at 17.

He would play a lot more than a pass rushing 3-tech as a rookie and we could get a 3-tech like Norman-Lott later to rush the passer.

[samhain]

Not saying I'd do it, because the needs elsewhere are too significant, but I've just recently seen Omarion Hampton's highlights. That dude is just plain physical.

It's not their way, but imagine a punishing, physical back lining up in an offense like this version of the Bengals. Everyone accounting for Tee, Jam'arr and Joe and getting bulldozed with light boxes. Want to load up for the run? Go ahead, we dare you.

[BenZoo2]

(03-27-2025, 04:26 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Walter's latest mock has Nolen going #17 and Warren going #18.

That’s a mock.  Where are they rated as prospects?

[Luvnit2]

The mocks I have been playing around have Warren gone in top 10 and now Loveland at times in top 15.

MY top pick is safety Nick. E. from SC who may or may not be available at #17. If not him, I think if we can't trade back, we need to take an edge. I think Green will be the best available, if not the kid from Tenn. who may drop or Walker is available at times.

I like Grant, but we drafted 2 DT's in 20224 an signed 2 DT's already in 2025. Yes, we need a pass rushing or complete DT, but not sure one is guaranteed other than Graham and he will go in top 6 or 7 at worst.

[coachmcneil71]

(03-27-2025, 08:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The mocks I have been playing around have Warren gone in top 10 and now Loveland at times in top 15.

MY top pick is safety Nick. E. from SC who may or may not be available at #17. If not him, I think if we can't trade back, we need to take an edge. I think Green will be the best available, if not the kid from Tenn. who may drop or Walker is available at times.

I like Grant, but we drafted 2 DT's in 20224 an signed 2 DT's already in 2025. Yes, we need a pass rushing or complete DT, but not sure one is guaranteed other than Graham and he will go in top 6 or 7 at worst.

I recently viewed a mock that has us taking Green. Can't remember which outlet. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-27-2025, 08:49 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: That’s a mock.  Where are they rated as prospects?

NFL Mock Draft Database (which is a composite) has: 

5) Graham 
6) W. Campbell
7) Jeanty 
8) Membou 
9) McMillan 
10) Warren 
11) Walker 
12. W. Johnson
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13. Stewart 
14. Banks 
15. M. Williams 
16. Barron 
17. J. Campbell 
18. Golden 
19. Green 
20. Loveland 
21. Starks 
22. Pearce 
23. Grant 
24. Emmanwori 
25. Simmons
26. Booker 
27. Hampton
28. Nolen 
29. Harmon 
30. Egbuka 
31. Zabel
32. Dart
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33. Ezeiruaku
34. Burden
35. Hairston 
36. Conerly 
37. Scourton
38. D. Jackson 
39. Revel 
40. Thomas 
41. Amos
42. Morrison
43. Ersery
44. L. Jackson 
45. Henderson 
46. Alexander
47. Watts 
48. Judkins 
49. Milroe 
50. Sawyer

But that is a composite of the mocks. I think. Bit they do oist 100s of guys, so maybe not.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-27-2025, 05:45 PM)samhain Wrote: Not saying I'd do it, because the needs elsewhere are too significant, but I've just recently seen Omarion Hampton's highlights.  That dude is just plain physical.  

It's not their way, but imagine a punishing, physical back lining up in an offense like this version of the Bengals.  Everyone accounting for Tee, Jam'arr and Joe and getting bulldozed with light boxes.  Want to load up for the run?  Go ahead, we dare you.

Hampton is damn good alright. So many great RB's in this Draft. It would be a shame to not take one IMO.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-28-2025, 02:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hampton is damn good alright. So many great RB's in this Draft. It would be a shame to not take one IMO.

While true in a vaccuum, I can make a list a lot than 6 deep before I get to RB3/RB2. 

RG: starter
DE2/DE3: possible starter 
pass rushing DT: rotational 
LG: starter or rotational 
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TE1: Starter/2 way only 
FS: Stone replacement 
SS: Battle upgrade 
LB/Vyper/speed: starter or rotational 
WR4 upgrade: 
RB3: 
OT3: