Bengals v. Hamilton County - Square Off

[XsandOs]

(04-07-2025, 12:09 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I wasn't arguing FOR Louisville, like I said, all they care about around here is basketball. Football is an after thought. And, I said Louisville is the largest city withouth a Major League Sports team of any kind. Austin has MLS.  That's due to UK and UofL basketball. Lexington attempted to have AHL hockey, and while it was a blast, it wasn't supported. As for your last statement, I grew up in Ohio and moved to Kentucky when I was 23. While Louisville sucks, Kentucky is a great place to live. 

Sled; I took a cheap shot at you in jest. No offense intended.

[phil413]

(04-07-2025, 01:41 PM)ochocincos Wrote: San Antonio might be a bit better for NFL over Austin, as it's the 7th most populous city in the US.
SA has a larger population than Austin and even Dallas, plus folks from Austin can easily commute into SA for games (1.5 hours).
That wouldn't take away from the Longhorns either.

The combined metro populations of SA + Austin is > 5 mill people. That'd put them near the Top 10.
Even separate, SA and Austin are both higher metro populations than areas such as Cincy, Pittsburgh, Vegas, Cleveland, Indy, and more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area

Yeah I've always had this view that Mikey wants to keep the team in the family and win one for his dad in Cincy.  IIRC they were close to leaving for Baltimore if Cleveland didn't though. 

Who knows.  I know that when I was younger I was bitter at the idea of them leaving and if I had anything close to a backup team it was the crappy Lions only because of Barry Sanders. Now, I don't know.  If they did move, I agree that it would have to be too good to be true, like extend the lease, the thing that we won't talk about happens and then Katie decides to sell or move the team to Austin.  I'm just playing along with the scenario.  I can't see them going half way and moving to Louisville but I think they would still be my team if they did, I'd just be annoyed by the extra 2 hours.  I don't think I'd be an Austin fan.  I'm an Ohioan but it seems like Cincy is shared with Kentucky anyway, they'd still be "ours".  So yeah, I don't think they move but if they did that's where I stand.  Maybe I stay an Austin fan for Burrow, who knows.  Interesting topic that I hadn't really considered for like a decade. 

[sandwedge]

(04-06-2025, 06:13 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Sunset; several cities have at least two, three or even four NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL Teams. Different seasons with some overlap and large populations. The point is can an area that has two of the top-3 college Football Teams also support an NFL Team? Can an average fan spend hundreds on Saturday and turn around and do the same on Sunday? How many luxury suites/seats would the Browns need to sell in Austin/SA? 
Yes I have. To multiple cities. And I agree that there are fans in Austin/SA/Central Texas who would welcome an NFL Team. But how many and how long would it take for the Bengals to get enough following to be profitable? 

The map below (basic Google search) identifies Austin as #1 city for an NFL Team. A few points:

1: It is interesting that they have no MLB, NHL, or NBA Teams. SA has the Spurs. Also, a "potential collaboration" between SA/Austin is opined. 

2: Louisville is 5th and Columbus is not in the top-10. My argument against Bengals moving to any KY cities is the age old question "Why doesn't the Ohio River flood Cincinnati?"

3: My thoughts throughout this thread have been that Cincy is the best place for the Bengals. I don't believe the Bengals should risk investing the time and money needed to be potentially more profitable in Central Texas 5-10 years down the line. Let alone a move to St. Louis or that GOD awful Louisville. 

BTW, for those who may not know the answer: Because Kentucky sucks!    

The one city on that map that I would absolutely hate it if they ever did move, which they won't, would be Portland. That ****ing city can burn to the ground for all I care. I have been mulling around the idea of pulling up stakes and going to SA for the last couple of years, so if by chance they do move, I hope it is SA.

[Sled21]

(04-07-2025, 05:55 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Sled; I took a cheap shot at you in jest. No offense intended.

None taken...

[Sled21]

(04-07-2025, 06:10 PM)phil413 Wrote: Yeah I've always had this view that Mikey wants to keep the team in the family and win one for his dad in Cincy.  IIRC they were close to leaving for Baltimore if Cleveland didn't though. 

Who knows.  I know that when I was younger I was bitter at the idea of them leaving and if I had anything close to a backup team it was the crappy Lions only because of Barry Sanders. Now, I don't know.  If they did move, I agree that it would have to be too good to be true, like extend the lease, the thing that we won't talk about happens and then Katie decides to sell or move the team to Austin.  I'm just playing along with the scenario.  I can't see them going half way and moving to Louisville but I think they would still be my team if they did, I'd just be annoyed by the extra 2 hours.  I don't think I'd be an Austin fan.  I'm an Ohioan but it seems like Cincy is shared with Kentucky anyway, they'd still be "ours".  So yeah, I don't think they move but if they did that's where I stand.  Maybe I stay an Austin fan for Burrow, who knows.  Interesting topic that I hadn't really considered for like a decade. 

Like I said, if they moved to Kentucky I don't think it'd be more than a jump across the river. That said (and this will not happen) it would be interesting to see them move to the Kentucky Speedway. While they'd have to remove the track to put up a stadium, the parking lots and infrastructure are already there. Plus, it would put them squarely between Cincinnati, Louisville and Lexington, so they'd draw from all three cities. The drawback is, besides the track, there's really nothing else there, other than a closed strip joint. But like I said, it will never happen. The players mostly live close to the stadium.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-08-2025, 12:18 AM)sandwedge Wrote: The one city on that map that I would absolutely hate it if they ever did move, which they won't, would be Portland. That ****ing city can burn to the ground for all I care. I have been mulling around the idea of pulling up stakes and going to SA for the last couple of years, so if by chance they do move, I hope it is SA.

What don't you like about Portland? I absolutely love(d) it there.

[Sled21]

(04-08-2025, 09:08 AM)ochocincos Wrote: What don't you like about Portland? I absolutely love(d) it there.

Any city that puts up with the crap like CHOP zones and burning of courthouses is nowhere I would support. Bunch of loonies out there. They really need to test the water.

[reuben.ahmed]

there are more loonies in USA than not

[sandwedge]

(04-08-2025, 09:49 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Any city that puts up with the crap like CHOP zones and burning of courthouses is nowhere I would support. Bunch of loonies out there. They really need to test the water.

Nailed it!

[sandwedge]

(04-08-2025, 09:08 AM)ochocincos Wrote: What don't you like about Portland? I absolutely love(d) it there.

Just the whole politics of that city and state.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-09-2025, 01:03 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Just the whole politics of that city and state.

I guess, but I don't let the politics of any city or state get to me.
If that was the case, I'd hate Ohio. 

What I loved about Portland (and Oregon in general) was the transportation, beauty of the city and especially surrounding areas (Mt. Hood and all the waterfalls), and the food and beer culture.
It has been nearly 10 years though since I was there, so maybe it's changed, but I wouldn't let the politics of the city/state impact my thoughts on whether they should get a professional sports team.

[Nicomo Cosca]

The Bengals and Hamilton County are asking Ohio lawmakers to spend $350 million on renovations to Paycor Stadium. The request comes one day after the House passed a budget that included $600 million to help build a new stadium for the Browns.
https://t.co/GEvtmHnLor

— WCPO 9 (@WCPO) April 10, 2025

[sandwedge]

(04-10-2025, 09:58 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

The Bengals and Hamilton County are asking Ohio lawmakers to spend $350 million on renovations to Paycor Stadium. The request comes one day after the House passed a budget that included $600 million to help build a new stadium for the Browns.
https://t.co/GEvtmHnLor

— WCPO 9 (@WCPO) April 10, 2025

Interesting, Cleveland's stadium is only a year old than Paycor. 

[Sled21]

Interesting that Cleveland is getting a dome. Wonder if that won't help them in inclement weather games.

[XsandOs]

(04-11-2025, 08:33 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Interesting that Cleveland is getting a dome. Wonder if that won't help them in inclement weather games.

I just read that their new stadium will be 80 feet below ground level. 

Maybe the next time Cleveland gets flooded, they can stage a Naumachia in their Coliseum. I would pay to see the battle of Midway re-enacted in their flooded Coliseum.

[Luvnit2]

(04-11-2025, 08:00 PM)XsandOs Wrote: I just read that their new stadium will be 80 feet below ground level. 

Maybe the next time Cleveland gets flooded, they can stage a Naumachia in their Coliseum. I would pay to see the battle of Midway re-enacted in their flooded Coliseum.

It is 13 miles south of downtown and not on a flood plane..

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6213879/2025/03/18/browns-proposed-stadium-brook-park/

As for the 600 million in Ohio bonds, Dewine is not in favor. Can he veto it?

[XsandOs]

(04-12-2025, 06:18 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is 13 miles south of downtown and not on a flood plane..

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6213879/2025/03/18/browns-proposed-stadium-brook-park/

As for the 600 million in Ohio bonds, Dewine is not in favor. Can he veto it?

Yes the Governor can veto any bill. In general, the legislators can then override the veto, but need supermajority in both houses.

In Ohio, since Republicans control the House and Senate, the Gubernatorial veto would stand. But it looks like the Dems were against it and Republicans for it - and DeWine is not in favor???

I don't know who introduced the bill and was it in the House or Senate. But any movement to override the veto would have to be initiated in the house that it was originally introduced.