PFF - Positions with the Most Talent

[*ochocincos*]

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-draft-grading-positions-talent

Topping the list is a tie between RB and EDGE, both getting A+.
LB rated the worst, a D-.

Other positions Bengals have or might have interest in:
TE - B
DT - A-
IOL - C
SAF - C-
CB - C

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(04-03-2025, 01:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-draft-grading-positions-talent

Topping the list is a tie between RB and EDGE, both getting A+.
LB rated the worst, a D-.

Other positions Bengals have or might have interest in:
TE - B
DT - A-
IOL - C
SAF - C-
CB - C

Chomping at the bit, need these 3 weeks to fly by lol

[SunsetBengal]

Yet LBs and Safeties will get drafted with regularity, just like they're flawless prospects, simply because teams have needs to fill. PFF is good to a point, but it isn't perfect by any means. I mean, what good is a grading system where when a guy get's a stalemate (technically a win on the play) worth a zero?? Their grading system seems to only reward dominance and heavily penalize plays when the player gets beat.

[SunsetBengal]

(04-03-2025, 08:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yet LBs and Safeties will get drafted with regularity, just like they're flawless prospects, simply because teams have needs to fill. PFF is good to a point, but it isn't perfect by any means. I mean, what good is a grading system where when a guy get's a stalemate (technically a win on the play, for blockers anyway) worth a zero?? Their grading system seems to only reward dominance and heavily penalize plays when the player gets beat.

[*Synric*]

Pass Rushers of all kinds is the Bengals most important need.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-03-2025, 08:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yet LBs and Safeties will get drafted with regularity, just like they're flawless prospects, simply because teams have needs to fill. PFF is good to a point, but it isn't perfect by any means. I mean, what good is a grading system where when a guy get's a stalemate (technically a win on the play) worth a zero?? Their grading system seems to only reward dominance and heavily penalize plays when the player gets beat.

Ya'know, I didn't see it mentioned whether these position grades were based off the collective PFF scores of the prospects at said position, but maybe they were.

If that was the case, we know how they typically grade most LBs (very poor), so I could see how that one may be lower than some other sites have LB ranked.

[Whatever]

(04-04-2025, 01:29 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Ya'know, I didn't see it mentioned whether these position grades were based off the collective PFF scores of the prospects at said position, but maybe they were.

If that was the case, we know how they typically grade most LBs (very poor), so I could see how that one may be lower than some other sites have LB ranked.

PFF may be using their methodology, but this falls in line with what I've seen regarding this class.  The big caveat is they gave OT like a B, but say many of them will have to move to G, then give IOL a C, saying it looks like a weak class until you factor in the T prospects that may move inside, effectively counting those players twice.  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

Talent wise it sets up well for our needs. We need pass rushers on Defense namely, as Synric said. Don't care if they are Ends, DT's or
pass rushing Linebackers. Also don't forget that with Mike Hilton out of the fray we might be looking at another blitzing Slot Corner for the
future if Dax continues to get injured or doesn't perform at a high level, insurance pick. All I know is RB and TE can really be tempting in
this Draft. Lots of good ones to be had.

[Bilbo Saggins]

I find TE to be pretty intriguing. It's one of those positions where the best players in the class will frequently be found beyond round 2. I could see someone like Arroyo falling and winding up just as good as the prospects who were taken earlier. 

RB is another interesting group. Teams are going to have to choose which characteristics they value more than others. Chase Brown was a pleasant surprise. Part of his game is to be fresh enough to be able to rip off a long run on any given play. I'd like to see them add some thunder to complement his lightning. Adding a young RB could help to keep him fresh and healthy. Maybe even lengthen his career. 

I think they have to consider trading future draft picks for more picks in the middle rounds of this draft. They need multiple hits in this draft. 

[SunsetBengal]

(04-04-2025, 05:58 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: I find TE to be pretty intriguing. It's one of those positions where the best players in the class will frequently be found beyond round 2. I could see someone like Arroyo falling and winding up just as good as the prospects who were taken earlier. 

RB is another interesting group. Teams are going to have to choose which characteristics they value more than others. Chase Brown was a pleasant surprise. Part of his game is to be fresh enough to be able to rip off a long run on any given play. I'd like to see them add some thunder to complement his lightning. Adding a young RB could help to keep him fresh and healthy. Maybe even lengthen his career. 

I think they have to consider trading future draft picks for more picks in the middle rounds of this draft. They need multiple hits in this draft. 

I agree, and that's why I took Martinez in the 5th of my final mock. He's a stark contrast to Brown, yet good enough at enough things to carry the team a few games if he needed to.

[Luvnit2]

(04-03-2025, 01:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-draft-grading-positions-talent

Topping the list is a tie between RB and EDGE, both getting A+.
LB rated the worst, a D-.

Other positions Bengals have or might have interest in:
TE - B
DT - A-
IOL - C
SAF - C-
CB - C

What is the OT rankings? I think many are really guards in the NFL and can see teams reaching for an OT. I see 2 guys in the 170 to 200 range I would not mind to grab in round 5 or 6. I think Nelson from Wisconsin who is ranked around 175 would be a good fit for us. He has played OT and guard and projected to be a guard. Also Wedig from Indiana.

But, I hope we address guard no later than 2d round and edge/DE round 1.

There are some very good RB's that could create a 1.2 punch with Brown. I would love Henderson, Judkins or Skattebro but likely 2nd or 3rd round needed

In later rounds I like Harvey a lot.

I wish we had more picks. I would love to double up on DE/Edge or guard or RB

[Bilbo Saggins]

(04-04-2025, 09:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree, and that's why I took Martinez in the 5th of my final mock. He's a stark contrast to Brown, yet good enough at enough things to carry the team a few games if he needed to.

I'm a sucker for guys who run like Martinez. I'll admit it.  I'd click my heels if they got him around there.  If I were a GM, I'm sure that I wouldn't last long.  Among the most valid reasons would be that I'd be obsessed with trying to draft the modern reincarnations of the following players: Robert Mathis, Alvis Forrest Gregg, and Earl Campbell. 

[*Synric*]

Safety is tough it falls off fairly fast. 

There's a bit of a cliff for OL too although I am a Dylan Fairchild and Anthony Belton fan for the Bengals.

[pulses]

(04-05-2025, 09:40 PM)Synric Wrote: Safety is tough it falls off fairly fast. 

There's a bit of a cliff for OL too although I am a Dylan Fairchild and Anthony Belton fan for the Bengals.

I've saw where several like Fairchild more than Ratledge.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-05-2025, 09:40 PM)Synric Wrote: Safety is tough it falls off fairly fast. 

There's a bit of a cliff for OL too although I am a Dylan Fairchild and Anthony Belton fan for the Bengals.

(04-05-2025, 11:01 PM)pulses Wrote: I've saw where several like Fairchild more than Ratledge.

Good thoughts on Belton and Fairchild.

[puddycat]

QB: Not broken up about the horrible QB class when we have Pitt and Cle in our division.
RB: Chance to swing for the fences this year if only we could run block. Still expect this class to push alot of good players off rosters.
OL: Very weak at the top, lots of opportunity for player development if we weren't desperate for OG starters.
WR: Lots of mid talent in middle rounds, but weak at top and bottom.  Doesn't really affect us.
TE: College isn't making the H-back TEs the Bengals want.
DE: Bengals 'type' is limiting, but lots of talent especially if they are willing to look at smaller DEs early, middle, and late.
DT: After last year's draft don't see another double dip or whether DT3 or NT type is a bigger perceived need.  Lot's of players here.
LB: Not seeing value or great need here. Could use an infusion of talent but this may not be the year.
CB: It's never the wrong time to get a starting CB.  Decent 2 rounds quickly tapers off to "prospects".
S: To me this is an OK class. The slot has stolen some of these guys, head-hunting safeties are liabilities, and 6-2 cover CBs abound.  It's just become a difficult position to fill with DCs expectations varying widely.

[*Synric*]

(04-06-2025, 04:02 AM)puddycat Wrote: QB: Not broken up about the horrible QB class when we have Pitt and Cle in our division.
RB: Chance to swing for the fences this year if only we could run block. Still expect this class to push alot of good players off rosters.
OL: Very weak at the top, lots of opportunity for player development if we weren't desperate for OG starters.
WR: Lots of mid talent in middle rounds, but weak at top and bottom.  Doesn't really affect us.
TE: College isn't making the H-back TEs the Bengals want.
DE: Bengals 'type' is limiting, but lots of talent especially if they are willing to look at smaller DEs early, middle, and late.
DT: After last year's draft don't see another double dip or whether DT3 or NT type is a bigger perceived need.  Lot's of players here.
LB: Not seeing value or great need here. Could use an infusion of talent but this may not be the year.
CB: It's never the wrong time to get a starting CB.  Decent 2 rounds quickly tapers off to "prospects".
S: To me this is an OK class. The slot has stolen some of these guys, head-hunting safeties are liabilities, and 6-2 cover CBs abound.  It's just become a difficult position to fill with DCs expectations varying widely.

I want to hit on a few of these.

OL - As usual falls off at a certain point. If the Bengals want a guard they feel comfortable with as a day 1 starter they have to use at least a top 100 (probably top 50) pick on one. 

TE - I agree with the lack of true H-Backs. Funny enough Harold Fannin the most productive TE in the class is an H-back but he doesnt have any pure Y versatility. Mitchell Evans Notre Dame is the dude Im looking at as a H-Back/Y. I think the Raiders Michael Myer is still an option too.

DE - Bengals need a full time Defensive End that can both Pass Rush and Stop the Run from multiple alighnments for their 425 defense. They have to be willing to do the dirty work opposite Trey who will get most of the stand up Pass Rush reps.

DT - There isn't a Defensive Tackle on the roster that makes me shy away from taking one early in this Draft. I wouldnt even say guys like McKinnley Jackson's spots are safe.

S - There is not alot of talent at this position. Really there's 5 guys that will all could be gone by pick #81. (Wanna add that adding more top 100 defensive backs seems silly with zero pass rush.)