Trey Hendrickson Update

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 03:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: What is the actual point of a post like this? Was it really necessary for me to include in my opinion?

You posted it as if it were a fact. So you're saying you really don't know if we will win the Super Bowl with our new line?

[BenZoo2]

(Yesterday, 01:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mims I have high hopes for if he can stay healthy.

The guards though? I don’t think we’re a winning a Super Bowl with a 3rd round rookie and Cody Ford/Lucas Patrick, no.

We were within a whisker of winning a super bowl with a worse ol than we currently have.  It wasn’t their fault kupp couldn’t be covered.  Just my two cents 

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: To quote James Rapien, I'm more bullish on the OL than most, I still think Fairchild will be great out of the box and if Patrick can hold up in pass protection, we will have a dominant offense again.

RG is the only thing that is concerning, IMO: the rest of the OL is more than fine.

1000%

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 01:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They are not winning a Super Bowl with the current OL. It’s going to feel like deja vu.

I am not sure we can really say that since we came within eye lashes of winning SB against the Rams, with a much worse Oline across the board than we do now.  Also the Rams did not have any real super stars at guard against us in that SB and they won.  We have already shown we have enough talent on offense to win and put up points, but it is the defense that i think will prevent us from a SB title now (unless they have the same run our defense did in 2022 playoffs). We have a much better line than below and we came with in a play or two from winning the SB

SB Oline      Williams, Spain, Hopkins, Adeniji, Prince

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: I am not sure we can really say that since we came within eye lashes of winning SB against the Rams, with a much worse Oline across the board than we do now.  Also the Rams did not have any real super stars at guard against us in that SB and they won.  We have already shown we have enough talent on offense to win and put up points, but it is the defense that i think will prevent us from a SB title now (unless they have the same run our defense did in 2022 playoffs). We have a much better line than below and we came with in a play or two from winning the SB

SB Oline      Williams, Spain, Hopkins, Adeniji, Prince

No one said you need superstars. But a 3rd round rookie, and a battle between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick does not exactly fill me with confidence. Wish I was as hopeful about the IOL as some of you seem to be.

Time will tell.

[Whatever]

(10 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: I am not sure we can really say that since we came within eye lashes of winning SB against the Rams, with a much worse Oline across the board than we do now.  Also the Rams did not have any real super stars at guard against us in that SB and they won.  We have already shown we have enough talent on offense to win and put up points, but it is the defense that i think will prevent us from a SB title now (unless they have the same run our defense did in 2022 playoffs). We have a much better line than below and we came with in a play or two from winning the SB

SB Oline      Williams, Spain, Hopkins, Adeniji, Prince

KC had Trey Smith and Joe Thuney at G and Creed Humphrey at C. Despite that, Mahomes was the most hit QB in the league last year, even more than Burrow.  They still made the SB.

[Luvnit2]

(9 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: KC had Trey Smith and Joe Thuney at G and Creed Humphrey at C. Despite that, Mahomes was the most hit QB in the league last year, even more than Burrow.  They still made the SB.

True, but they also did not adequately address LT, then the guy got hurt and they had no great option for a back up so they moved Thuney. Even great orgnizations make bad roster decisions.

[3wt]

(9 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: True, but they also did not adequately address LT, then the guy got hurt and they had no great option for a back up so they moved Thuney. Even great orgnizations make bad roster decisions.

They had real tackle problems, and had to put Thuney out of position at tackle they were so thin.  So they effectively had no edge protection and compromised protection in the middle.

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 01:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So you don't think Peters can coach up Fairchild and Mims?

The rest are pretty proven, even Patrick doesn't give up sacks. I think this OL could be much better than the ones we had in the SB and other AFC 
championship run.

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: To quote James Rapien, I'm more bullish on the OL than most, I still think Fairchild will be great out of the box and if Patrick can hold up in pass protection, we will have a dominant offense again.

RG is the only thing that is concerning, IMO: the rest of the OL is more than fine.

(Yesterday, 02:21 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: This OL is much much better than the one who played LAR

It may not seem significant, but Samaje Perine coming back should improve interior protection. He was the fourth ranked RB in terms of pass protection his last year with us in 2022.


I would be also be very interested to see if we install a power run game element to our offense. We have the beef at G in Ford and Manning and Brooks is a bowling ball....


I wish All was back!

[SunsetBengal]

(9 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: True, but they also did not adequately address LT, then the guy got hurt and they had no great option for a back up so they moved Thuney. Even great orgnizations make bad roster decisions.

They also have a QB that makes a living moving around and extending plays for a living. The Chiefs will never get any sympathy from me.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Then look down your nose at those that disagree with you.

(Yesterday, 03:19 PM)Sled21 Wrote: It must be wonderful knowing the future. Can you give me next week's Powerball numbers?

Damn dude, put your money where your mouth is. I can't think of a more smug, and "down the nose" response to a post that I've seen lately..

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Oh, and what happens every time the Front Office tries something different. Like the Stewart fiasco. So many teams have been burned by these prima donna athletes who can't stay out of trouble teams are writing contracts that give them outs on guaranteed money. So, what happens when the Bengals FO does the exact same thing and the athlete balks at it??? Everyone says they are incompetent. I don't claim the FO is always right, some of you claim the FO is always wrong, no matter what they do. Then look down your nose at those that disagree with you. Perfect example: Trey Hendrickson wants his yearly contract re-do and raise, and the FO offers a 12 million dollar raise that he turns down and sits out = The Bengals FO is stupid, pathetic and incompetent. Meanwhile, TJ Watt wants a new contract and the Steelers are not meeting his number, so he sits out the same amount of time Trey does= The Steelers are one of the best run FO's in the league. People could at least be consistent in the arguments.

Hyperbole again. Literally no one has ever said that.

No one.

[Joelist]

Since they are talking to Trey again I wonder where it all finally lands? Maybe if cash on hand is the issue they come up with some kind of staggered guarantee so he feels respected and it is something they can actually perform. Say a 2 year extension starting next season for 30 million per with a 20 million signing bonus and an additional 20 million guaranteed? So his payouts become 36 million the year and 30 million each of the next 2. Cap hits become 22.5 million this year and 36.5 million each of the next 2?

[SunsetBengal]

(5 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: Since they are talking to Trey again I wonder where it all finally lands? Maybe if cash on hand is the issue they come up with some kind of staggered guarantee so he feels respected and it is something they can actually perform. Say a 2 year extension starting next season for 30 million per with a 20 million signing bonus and an additional 20 million guaranteed? So his payouts become 36 million the year and 30 million each of the next 2. Cap hits become 22.5 million this year and 36.5 million each of the next 2?

Man, I don't even want to speculate on what the deal could be, I just hope that they reach an agreement that is amicable to both parties. Trey plays hard every down, a happy Trey will continue to put his physical self on the line every down. That is something that the team can rely on, something that the team and more specifically, the Defense really needs right now.

[Essex Johnson]

(9 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No one said you need superstars. But a 3rd round rookie, and a battle between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick does not exactly fill me with confidence. Wish I was as hopeful about the IOL as some of you seem to be.

Time will tell.

I'm just pointing out we actually have a better line now than SB so hard to follow your logic that this line has no chance a SB. I agree more with this defense has less chance. Vs SB def. To win one.  

[*rfaulk34*]

(5 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: I'm just pointing out we actually have a better line now than SB so hard to follow your logic that this line has no chance a SB. I agree more with this defense has less chance. Vs SB def. To win one.  

They've never played a snap together. How do you know they're better?

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: They've never played a snap together. How do you know they're better?

LOL

Maybe the same reason you think the FO screwed the pooch this off season with the draft and FA. Yet, the new guy have yet to play yet as a Bengal.

Can anyone have an opinion other than yourself and your minions? Or is his opinions are so not good enough in your mind because you feel all opinions all not equal.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL

Maybe the same reason you think the FO screwed the pooch this off season with the draft and FA. Yet, the new guy have yet to play yet as a Bengal.

Can anyone have an opinion other than yourself and your minions? Or is his opinions are so not good enough in your mind because you feel all opinions all not equal.

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL

Maybe the same reason you think the FO screwed the pooch this off season with the draft and FA. Yet, the new guy have yet to play yet as a Bengal.

Can anyone have an opinion other than yourself and your minions? Or is his opinions are so not good enough in your mind because you feel all opinions all not equal.

Someone states the offensive line is better than the super bowl line. 

There's no way to know if this iteration will be better than the super bowl line because they haven't played a snap together. Yet, a declarative statement was made that this line is better than the super bowl line. Please show me tangible evidence that this line is better than the super bowl line, even though they've never played a snap, in a real NFL game together. 

This line and my take on the FO screwing the pooch is aples and oranges. One has zero evidence to support it (this line) and one has conclusive, proven evidence (the FO). They are not remotely the same. You should be able to see this fact, that they're not the same, without me having to point it out to you. This is very simple, basic logic. It's doesn't take an advanced degree to understand. 

Can anyone have an opinion other than me and my minions? First off, who are my minions? I wasn't aware i had any. If you're talking about the people that agree with my statements, and you're wondering if anyone who doesn't agree with my opinions and facts can have an opinion of their own...yes they can. If their opinion differes from a statement i present, that's backed by verifiable evidence and facts, then their opinion is going to be patently wrong. 

Lastly, i've already clearly stated that all opinions are not created equal, on more than one occasion, so your question isn't really necessary if you're paying attention to the discussion that is going on. 

NEWS FLASH!!! This coming offensive line could very well be much better than the super bowl line and maybe even one of the best in the NFL. It's possible, not necessarily probable, but possible. But there's no way you can conclusively state that they are better, because they have not played in an official NFL game together yet.

Do you disagree that you can't say they'll be better, since there's no way to measure that?

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

His logic appears to be very illogical.