Trey Hendrickson Update

[Nepa]

(Yesterday, 07:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: *** And on the Bengals end, this is the guy most single named by our own message board JN regulars as the name that they did not want to see drafted. ***

That was my memory. I was divided on whom the Bengals should select, but I saw so many posters saying just don't pick Stewart that I was aghast when he was the selection. 

Nate converted me to a more positive view. He was spot on about Mims, who he was pushing strongly before that draft, and so earned some trust from me when he was converted after the draft into a more positive view on Stewart. But that memory of posters saying the player they least wanted to see picked was Stewart is seared in my memory. Let's hope the Bengals didn't outsmart themselves again and actually got a winner. (Although, he needs to get signed and practicing starting this Saturday!)

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 08:15 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I definitely didn't want Stewart. I was watching Goodberry and they apparently got insight on the Bengals draft board and were actively rooting for any of the players ahead to fall to them. So I was very disappointed in the 1st rd and definitely agree the Bengals need to adjust how they draft. But the damage is done and we need to get this guy signed. I think blame goes both ways and certainly didnt like his comments but all signs point to just a little give on the Bengals part and he will sign the contract with the default language. So just get it done.

Yeah, the team management made their bed, now they must lay in it.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 01:06 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Are you guys suggesting they should ask less? Let's pretend they don't view him as an elite DE they'd be stupid not to offer him as such. 

I think the Bengals should do what's best for the team that is not letting the Trey contract situation become an albatross around this team neck. 

[THE PISTONS]

A lot of these guys at DE are highly productive at 34/35.

At worst, you get 2 really highly productive years from him, the years 3 and 4 you get less sacks, but that could still be like 8-10.

[THE PISTONS]

(Yesterday, 08:15 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I definitely didn't want Stewart. I was watching Goodberry and they apparently got insight on the Bengals draft board and were actively rooting for any of the players ahead to fall to them. So I was very disappointed in the 1st rd and definitely agree the Bengals need to adjust how they draft. But the damage is done and we need to get this guy signed. I think blame goes both ways and certainly didnt like his comments but all signs point to just a little give on the Bengals part and he will sign the contract with the default language. So just get it done.

Yeah. I was against the pick too. That said, he has NFL strength and top end speed and athleticism. But, the sack production is missing. So was it the scheme in college, or is it him? And can it be taught?

And, does he even want to play here?

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 10:25 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah. I was against the pick too. That said, he has NFL strength and top end speed and athleticism. But, the sack production is missing. So was it the scheme in college, or is it him? And can it be taught?

And, does he even want to play here?

And when he wasnt getting sacks he came within inches of the quarterback, disrupted the play and had him running for his life..and stewart did the same thing all over the field..great pick

[ERIC1]

[quote='Nately120' pid='1608370' dateline='1752678639']

Our front office turned down a second round pick for AJ McCarron and a million picks for Akili Smith. I'm sure there are more examples, but they can always ask for the moon because there are no repercussions for failing to secure a good deal in a trade. 

It's like when you look on eBay for a record or something and no matter what you are looking for there is always a listing with a buy it now price 10 times the reasonable value that never gets sold. We just aren't serious dealers.

Edit - Like I said back during the McCarton deal  non deal let's pretend Trey is a 1988 Ford pinto. I work at a car dealership. A guy comes in and says "I'll give you $35k in cash for that pinto right now" and I think "wow this guy is a moron...." but I push my luck by saying "actually it's $50k for that 1988 Pinto" and the guy says "no deal" and puts his sack with a dollar sign over his shoulder and walks off. 

My boss isn't going to congratulate me for going for broke and driving a tough deal, he's going to fire me for turning down a $35k offer for a Ford pinto. 

Now let's say I have a 1988 Ford pinto at my home that I don't want to part with because I have sentimental attachment to it because I lost my virginity in the backseat. I don't really want to sell it, but I should at least convince  myself that I'm trying to, so I put a for sale sign on it and when people come by and ask if it's for sale I turn down anything under $50k because I don't actually want to sell it. What happens when I don't? Nothing, I am beholden to no one in this situation. I push my crapwagon back into the garage and say "Hey. I


unless you are a fly on the wall in mikes office..nobody knows a darn thing.,.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 08:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, the team management made their bed, now they must lay in it.

Bengals have a top ten winning oercentage in the NFL the last the four years..the have been to both the superbowl and AFC championship games in 2 of those Four years..and if not for injuries suffered by burrow and numerous other key playersxthe past two years..we would have been in the playoffs ...the organization is drafting and doing many things right

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 10:38 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: And when he wasnt getting sacks he came within inches of the quarterback, disrupted the play and  had him running for his life..and stewart did the same  thing all over the field..great pick

Not blasting Stewart. But I do think it's funny that Stewart with 39 pressures and a pass rush win rate that puts him in the 57th percentile his final season in college is extremely disruptive and a great pick. While Trey Hendrickson with 83 pressures and a pass rush win rate that was 2nd in the league just gets his sacks against bad teams and wrestles with the tackle he's lined up against.

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 11:12 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: BINGO

A few of us ha this convo way earlier in this thread or another one. They want to trade him like he's a very top tier DE. But they want to pay him like he's 2nd fiddle.

You can't have it both ways, so which is he front office?

Trey is under contract this year being paid 21 million.  Why do the Bengals need to pay him more when he is already under contract?  They are paying him what he signed his contract for.  Just because Trey is under contract for 21 million doesnt mean the Bengals should take less than a 1st round draft pick to trade him.  What is Aiden Hutchinson being paid this year?  Should the Lions trade him for less than a couple of 1st round picks because he isnt being paid as much as other DE's?  

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 04:43 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Unless you are Tom Brady or LeBron James.  

But in all seriousness, there have not been that many DE’s effective in their age 33-34 seasons.  Not at the contract Trey wants now anyway.

Or Whitworth. But those are all outliers and not the norm. And DE is a position that once you start to falter, you go off a cliff. I remember watching Trey almost unable to walk in the KC games he was going so hard. Does anyone really think he has many more seasons like that in him at his age?

[NUGDUKWE]

(7 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Or Whitworth. But those are all outliers and not the norm. And DE is a position that once you start to falter, you go off a cliff. I remember watching Trey almost unable to walk in the KC games he was going so hard. Does anyone really think he has many more seasons like that in him at his age?

I've heard the data suggests players with his Trey age and production metrics that outside of injury they tend to gradually decline. Not sure how big of a sample size that's from or how much we want to trust historical trends. But there is data that suggests in 3 or 4 yrs he could still be a 10 sack guy.

To me the last year doesnt seem to count. Give him a 3 year extension so keeping him 4 more years. If he starts to drop off you can get out of it early.

[ERIC1]

[quote='NUGDUKWE' pid='1608531' dateline='1752718255']

Not blasting Stewart. But I do think it's funny that Stewart with 39 pressures and a pass rush win rate that puts him in the 57th percentile his final season in college is extremely disruptive and a great pick. While Trey Hendrickson with 83 pressures and a pass rush win rate that was 2nd in the league just gets his sacks against bad teams and wrestles with the tackle he's lined up against.
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Unlike stewart , hendrickson has never shown the ability to help in the middle of the field and this was exploited by every team when they played the bengals....

five months ago...absolutely no one had any concerns about hendricksons salary and contract

no matter how much people argue and complain...I doubt veryseriously if they were the team owners would pay hendrickson a 30 year old defensive lineman 30 million bucks a year for the next 3 years

And finally..unless golden fixes the many issues with the defense it wont matter if hendickson is here or not

[*Nately120*]

This whole thing is win/win. Either Trey signs and we are a SB contender, or he sits and we get to watch Burrow throw 1,100 passes for 6,800 yards this regular season.

[SunsetBengal]

(7 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Or Whitworth. But those are all outliers and not the norm. And DE is a position that once you start to falter, you go off a cliff. I remember watching Trey almost unable to walk in the KC games he was going so hard. Does anyone really think he has many more seasons like that in him at his age?

You're thinking that a guy coming off of a 1st team All Pro season is just gonna fall off of the cliff?? 

I think that the Funny Bone has open mic night on Thursdays, you should drop in and give it a shot.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(3 hours ago)Nately120 Wrote: This whole thing is win/win. Either Trey signs and we are a SB contender, or he sits and we get to watch Burrow throw 1,100 passes for 6,800 yards this regular season.

[ERIC1]

(3 hours ago)Nately120 Wrote: This whole thing is win/win. Either Trey signs and we are a SB contender, or he sits and we get to watch Burrow throw 1,100 passes for 6,800 yards this regular season.

Ummmm..hendrickson was here last year we were not a superbowl contender

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 07:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Don't even get me started with my feelings about Stewart, or the team's first round selection. This kid not only didn't put up numbers in college, but he thinks that the NFL owes him a large bag of millions with no strings attached on his part. How does that work? I mean, the NFL is a job you need to merit a roster spot and earn your keep. If you are talented and produce, the millions will come. And on the Bengals end, this is the guy most single named by our own message board JN regulars as the name that they did not want to see drafted. The team needs to quit thinking of draft picks as ways to cheapen the roster, and put a football mind in charge to select players that will actually start and flourish in their rookie season. 

The poor numbers made me not want Stewart before I saw his film. I was one of the regulars that did not want him. But if you watch the 
film he is great at sealing the edge in the run game, he is big, fast and strong. Stewart has everything you cannot teach. I didn't like how 
he talked about his contract publicly, so that has got me down on him along with his lack of production. 

But he is also right about the language in his contract as TLL has pointed out, they need to take that language out and do it the same as 
the other picks right around him with the clause. Get it done Bengals and get Trey extended and I am happy.

I still think Shemar Stewart will be an upgrade to what Sam provided last year at the very least. He is disruptive, big, fast and good against
the run.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 10:38 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: And when he wasnt getting sacks he came within inches of the quarterback, disrupted the play and  had him running for his life..and stewart did the same  thing all over the field..great pick

Worthless post. 

You bash on Trey only getting sacks in 5 or 6 games then disappearing, when he ends up with 17.5 two years in a row.

Then you praise a guy that can't finish and lie about how disruptive he is. 

You blatantly troll right out of your ass with worthless bullshit. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:10 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not blasting Stewart. But I do think it's funny that Stewart with 39 pressures and a pass rush win rate that puts him in the 57th percentile his final season in college is extremely disruptive and a great pick. While Trey Hendrickson with 83 pressures and a pass rush win rate that was 2nd in the league just gets his sacks against bad teams and wrestles with the tackle he's lined up against.

Yeah. He's just here to bullshit and troll.