Whose side on you on? Trey, the Bengals or none?

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: QFT

Have you always been nasty, or did you have to work at it?

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 05:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: What the agent promises isn't really relevant. It's too pricy for a 30 y/o ED. The Bengals know this. They set the bar high so they have no one to 'bid against', per se. They have him trapped and they know it. 

I'm sure numerous teams would be willing to pay the contract he's looking for though, or something close. 

Except he's under contract here and if someone else wants him, they have to pay. Why that goes over your head is puzzling.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 05:56 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I do tend to lean a little towards the players in my Fandom. So perhaps not shocking that I side with Trey and think the Bengals FO is at fault for this mess. I think they always want to try and get a bargain. Which worked out with Trey but now he wants to reap the rewards of being top 10 at his position. I honestly think he just wants a pay rate that puts him well within the top 10 and atleast a few years in length so he can put the money part behind him and just focus on his play in what is most likely his last multi-year deal.

I blame the Bengals because I don't think they ever took signing him seriously. I think they always try and get the bargain and while they probably did offer him something it either wasn't long enough or high enough possibly both. The way they did the other contracts didn't leave enough room to really get the kind of deal done that Trey would want. Then they draft a DE in the 1st rd which also points to them not wanting to sign him to what he wants. There is a reason we are the Bungles can we pick if it's because the FO or Trey?

Are you kidding? They signed him for 60 million. Then he wanted an extension, and they gave it to him. Then he wanted another extension even though he wasn't eligible for one. It's not like he's got 3 more years left on his contract. He can play this year at his contract rate, or accept the Bengals very generous offer of a 12 million dollar raise they don't have to offer and he makes 28 million. Then next year he can go where he wants and get paid whatever he can get. If they cave to him, guess what happens after this years crop of WR's get paid.... Chase and Higgins will all of a sudden have the same argument (Chase mostly) and say they are underpaid. Are we going to redo his deal too?

[SunsetBengal]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: No, you are the one who just doesn't get it. The Bengals' asking price was a 1st rounder. Trey and his agent told the Bengals they could get that. The Bengals gave him permission to seek the trade. NO ONE wanted to give up a 1st rounder. And you just want the Bengals to give him up for less? He's had 17.5 sacks the last two years, I would n't trade him to a team for less than a first either. Trey's problem is no one wanted to give up the draft capital AND pay him what he wants. You're the one who is ridiculous to suggest the Bengals should just let him go for less than a first because he whines. 

Exactly, the Bengals set a price that they felt confident that no team would match. After all, Duke himself said that "we're not in the business of making other teams better".

[*Nately120*]

(Yesterday, 06:14 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The only thing tainted around here is the Front Office's view on how to build a proper football team. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows that you build around the lines. Trey is an awesome DL, who deserves to be paid like his contemporaries. Even JaMarr Chase came out and said that Trey deserves the money he's looking for. The Bengals are still attempting to run a Professional Football Franchise like a small business and that tactic just doesn't work. They need to keep the star players, win a Championship or two, so that outside dollars pour into the team. But, it's going to take some spending on their part to get over that hump.

This is hyperbole, but I get the same vibe from the Bengals FO that I get from the Pittsburgh Pirates ownership when a player is really good and it's like "Ahhh crap, now this jerk is gonna want to get paid like he's some sort of hot shot." 

[NUGDUKWE]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Are you kidding? They signed him for 60 million. Then he wanted an extension, and they gave it to him. Then he wanted another extension even though he wasn't eligible for one. It's not like he's got 3 more years left on his contract. He can play this year at his contract rate, or accept the Bengals very generous offer of a 12 million dollar raise they don't have to offer and he makes 28 million. Then next year he can go where he wants and get paid whatever he can get. If they cave to him, guess what happens after this years crop of WR's get paid.... Chase and Higgins will all of a sudden have the same argument (Chase mostly) and say they are underpaid. Are we going to redo his deal too?

Stop with the we gave him an early extension already. We tacked on 1 more year. I think we can all admit that the timing and length of that deal was odd. Seems extremely likely that what he's saying of wanting a new deal for the past 3 years is likely. He outplayed the contract and the Bengals tried to appease him with a 1yr deal. It worked for awhile and now he wants a deal to match his play. As far as Chase wanting a new deal we never gave Trey the top money. Chase is the highest non QB he's good for a while. If his play maintains im sure he will be asking about his contract on his final year.

[SunsetBengal]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Are you kidding? They signed him for 60 million. Then he wanted an extension, and they gave it to him. Then he wanted another extension even though he wasn't eligible for one. It's not like he's got 3 more years left on his contract. He can play this year at his contract rate, or accept the Bengals very generous offer of a 12 million dollar raise they don't have to offer and he makes 28 million. Then next year he can go where he wants and get paid whatever he can get. If they cave to him, guess what happens after this years crop of WR's get paid.... Chase and Higgins will all of a sudden have the same argument (Chase mostly) and say they are underpaid. Are we going to redo his deal too?

Why are you so gleeful about our favorite team allowing a guy whose a bonafide elite player at his position, a key, critical position at that, to simply walk down the road? Are you secretly rooting against the Bengals or something? 

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(05-29-2025, 10:04 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I'm not on either side.

From the Bengals perspective, data indicates that pass rushers tend to fall off rapidly after they pass the age of 30. They don't want to give him a new contract and get caught in a decline.

From Trey's perspective, he is trying to maximize his earnings.

It's all business at the end of the day.

Correct, I can understand both sides of the coin here.  Although I do have to side with the Bengals FO b/c Trey is no spring chicken at 31.  Katie Blackburn offered him a big pay raise to the tune of $28 million a year, and he'd be crazy not to take it.   At his age, if he sits out a year, rest equals rust, and I don't see any other team offering him a multi-year contract for over $28 million.  Maybe the FO can offer him a production bonus, like if he's in the top 3 of NFL sack leaders, then Trey gets a $5 million bonus paid immediately at the end of the regular season.  

Where's Kevin O'Leary and Mark Cuban when we need them?  Yes, I'm a Shark Tank nerd! 

[samhain]

(10 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Why are you so gleeful about our favorite team allowing a guy whose a bonafide elite player at his position, a key, critical position at that, to simply walk down the road? Are you secretly rooting against the Bengals or something? 

This.  

At the end of the day, I don't care who's at fault.  My belief is that our defense sucks and will suck even worse without 91.  It's not a championship defense and it's not even an average one without it's best player.  

I don't love his public tantrums, but people saying they want him to shut up and retire are out of their minds.  There's nobody else on this team or available in FA that can replace his production.  It's a stretch to say we're a real contender, but without Trey it's going to be even more 40 point elite offensive performances with the outcome being a big fat L.  Screw that.

[NUGDUKWE]

(9 hours ago)samhain Wrote: This.  

At the end of the day, I don't care who's at fault.  My belief is that our defense sucks and will suck even worse without 91.  It's not a championship defense and it's not even an average one without it's best player.  

I don't love his public tantrums, but people saying they want him to shut up and retire are out of their minds.  There's nobody else on this team or available in FA that can replace his production.  It's a stretch to say we're a real contender, but without Trey it's going to be even more 40 point elite offensive performances with the outcome being a big fat L.  Screw that.

reading about how Trey Hendrickson is "extremely dug in"

he should be

with him not playing (off the field), Cincy's pass D last 2 yrs:

#32 pressure %
#32 completion %
#32 success %
#32 passer rating

with him on the field, Cincy's def ranks TOP-12 in EVERY ONE OF THOSE STATS

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) May 29, 2025

 

[samhain]

People say they aren't obligated to pay him. Fine. What they should be obligated to do is field a competent defense. If anyone thinks that happens as constructed without him, then you're kidding yourself.

Telling Trey to kick rocks is punting on the 2025 season. I can't accept that.

The clock is ticking on the prime years of the best player ever to wear stripes. Every year that they fail to put a team around Burrow that can go deep into the playoffs is an indictment on this ownership. Anyone really think that if they let him walk and the defense sucks that it won't be a huge point of emphasis among fans and in the media?

Trey might lose money, but the team will 100 percent be the scapegoat in this scenario.

[*rfaulk34*]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: No, you are the one who just doesn't get it. The Bengals' asking price was a 1st rounder. Trey and his agent told the Bengals they could get that. The Bengals gave him permission to seek the trade. NO ONE wanted to give up a 1st rounder. And you just want the Bengals to give him up for less? He's had 17.5 sacks the last two years, I would n't trade him to a team for less than a first either. Trey's problem is no one wanted to give up the draft capital AND pay him what he wants. You're the one who is ridiculous to suggest the Bengals should just let him go for less than a first because he whines. 

I don't know why you're stuck on "hendrickson's agent said they could get a first", as if the only thing the Bengals would accept is a 1st. They know what they're willing to offer. They undoubtedly have a clue on what his return would be. They also undoubtedly understand that no team in the NFL is going to give up a first round pick, whether it's the #1OA or the 32nd pick. That price is too high--giving up a young 1st rounder for a 30/31 yr old vet. That's likely why they said go ahead, see if you can get a 1st, KNOWING that it's not going to happen. It was more a move to show them that it's not a possibility. There are only so many Hue Jacksons in the world. 

I'm not even sure where you got that i just want them to give him away for whatever. I've never said anything of the sort. 

If the Bengals were honest about trading him and getting the best offer they could, they would listen to other team's offers and choose the best one, thanking Trey for the years and bidding him farewell. They didn't sit there and say, "ok, you said a first, so it's a first or bust". They're standing fast on the 1st because they know that no one will offer that, which leaves them in the drivers seat, where Trey's only other option is retirement. They are exactly the kind of organization that will say, "take our offer or retire. full stop". 

If you take the time to read the things he's said, it's EASY to see that he's trusted them every step of the way, up until recently, believing they would eventually come to terms with him. That has been Trey's biggest mistake; trusting anything this organization says. They have LONG, established history of being penny-pinching misers that dig their heels in and won't budge from a line they draw. Why people continue to defend this organization completely baffles me. 


"Last year and the year before I've been talking about long-term contract, guaranteed money, things like that. It was discussed with me in a meeting, which I'm very fortunate to have had with my agent, that we would get something done this year. So that being said, last year, 'Go out and play, play at the level you have, we'll get it done' -- that was communicated with me. So basically, this year, it's going to get worked on. They also reiterated that at the combine. So that just kind of clears the air on that. Moving forward, the happiness of my camp ... [the Bengals] are more than welcome to call me. I've had my cell phone, same cell phone number since high school, open line of communication is always open with me and my agents. 


"Full transparency, I'm not going to go into all the details, I think there are things that I'm willing to do and not willing to budge on," Hendrickson told McAfee on Wednesday. "I don't think I want to play for incentives that will be out of my control. I don't think I want to play for a short-term contract and see where it goes. I would like to tell my wife here is where we're going to live, here's where we're going to build a family together. Some of those things come from what I've been able to do on a football field. I like that to do the talking for me."



"When I say [communication's] been poor, it's been like here and there," he said. "Respect to Ja'Marr and Tee. I don't want to take anything away from all the great things they've accomplished in their careers, they deserve everything that they've gotten, and (there's) no doubt in my mind they're going to excel in the National Football League. I have a tremendous respect for both of them, but when it comes to my situation, it would have been nice to know in some ways like, 'Hey, we're going to put you in the queue.' No problem with me. My wife and I try to be as humble as possible as Christ-loving people. So we don't have any desires of being highest-paid or first in line. We try to be as patient as possible."
https://www.nfl.com/news/trey-hendrickson-says-bengals-exec-s-comments-on-contract-talks-were-disappointing


One NFL general manager feels the Cincinnati Bengals have placed a "ridiculous" asking price on a trade for star edge-rusher Trey Hendrickson, according to The Athletic's Dianna Russini.

Dan Graziano of ESPN reported something similar Wednesday, saying on Get Up prospective suitors have been "turned off" by Cincinnati's trade demands.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25170490-nfl-gm-bengals-have-ridiculous-trey-hendrickson-asking-price-amid-nfl-trade-rumors


This cheap ass organization offers their cheap ass deals, then digs in, knowing they hold the cards and not giving a shit what anyone else things and some of you fans still buy into their shit, hook line and sinker, continuing year after year to watch this team come up short. As long as those fans exist, nothing will change and you and others will never see them win a ring. 

They don't care about getting the best deal they can for him. He's their property and he can take what they offer or he can quit playing football. It's the Brown way and it's made them very wealthy and they don't give a shit whether you ever get to celebrate a championship or not. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Have you always been nasty, or did you have to work at it?

I'm not really nasty...but no, i don't have to work at it. 

It actually takes time to get there but my vitriol, spite, disgust, whatever you want to call it, flows smooth and naturally. 

Conversely, people that know me know i'm a good-humored, honest, genuine, nice, fun to be around person. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Have you always been nasty, or did you have to work at it?

I am curious though. How is Quoted For Truth nasty?

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 05:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: What the agent promises isn't really relevant. It's too pricy for a 30 y/o ED. The Bengals know this. They set the bar high so they have no one to 'bid against', per se. They have him trapped and they know it. 

I'm sure numerous teams would be willing to pay the contract he's looking for though, or something close. 

So to recap, you have no way to validate your claims. Your attempt to move the goal posts won't work.

So, does that make you a liar or someone that can't be trusted in the forum?

You have a choice, retract your claims or validate your claims.

[*rfaulk34*]

(7 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So to recap, you have no way to validate your claims. Your attempt to move the goal posts won't work.

So, does that make you a liar or someone that can't be trusted in the forum?

You have a choice, retract your claims or validate your claims.

What are you talking about?

[Luvnit2]

(6 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: What are you talking about?

Your post #31 to my post.

Luvnit2 Wrote:

I could us the exact same reasoning. Trey priced himself out of being signed because he wanted a trade and a 3 or 4 year contract.



Yep, it is ridiculous Trey would do that.


You responded

Team(s) were set to pay him. They just didn't want to give up what the Bengals were asking. 

So I asked for proof and you started the side step. Who are the multiple teams one more time? Or did you make them up?

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your post #31 to my post.

Luvnit2 Wrote:

I could us the exact same reasoning. Trey priced himself out of being signed because he wanted a trade and a 3 or 4 year contract.



Yep, it is ridiculous Trey would do that.


You responded

Team(s) were set to pay him. They just didn't want to give up what the Bengals were asking. 

So I asked for proof and you started the side step. Who are the multiple teams one more time? Or did you make them up?

I don't side step. Did you not read post #52?

"Russini reported other teams are willing to give Hendrickson a new contract, but she laid out how Cincy still holds all of the cards."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25170490-nfl-gm-bengals-have-ridiculous-trey-hendrickson-asking-price-amid-nfl-trade-rumors            


https://www.google.com/search?q=are+multiple+teams+willing+to+give+trey+hendrickson+a+multi+year+contract%3F&oq=are+multiple+teams+willing+to+give+trey+hendrickson+a+multi+year+contract%3F&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEzODE2ajBqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


"Hendrickson explored the market before free agency and the NFL draft, and multiple teams initially showed interest in signing the 30-year-old to a long-term contract, but nothing materialized, according to ESPN’s Ben Baby."
https://nypost.com/2025/05/30/sports/trey-hendrickson-considering-drastic-options-in-bengals-contract-standoff/


Anything else i can clear up for you, or do you just want to keep coming at me with failed attempts of 'gotcha'?