Pretty crazy Burrow stat

[Nicomo Cosca]

Joe Burrow's passer rating when not pressured (104.9) only dips by 9.8 points when he actually *is* pressured (down to 95.1)

Here's how big the dips are for some notable others:

Josh Allen 109.3 → 71.2 (down 38.1)
Lamar Jackson 127.5 → 92.7 (down 34.8)
Jared Goff 121.6 →…

— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) June 29, 2025

Joe Cool for real.

No wonder the FO has never prioritized his OL.

[*bengalfan74*]

He's just amazing.

[Mer]

I actually find it a little disappointing the first 7 on the list have a higher unpressured rating than Joe. I'm assuming injuries have something to do with it but, dang, Lamar Jackson is higher than Joe unpressured?

[Essex Johnson]

Impressive stat, especially some of the differences vs Burrow's smaller difference but not much real data behind the post. How does he define unpressured? more context would be better, i think a great stat would be ball release connected to it. What is the average ball release of these QBs unpressured vs pressured and what percentage of throws of QBs are pressured and unpressured. That would give more substance to this chart

[Nicomo Cosca]

(06-30-2025, 01:34 AM)Mer Wrote: I actually find it a little disappointing the first 7 on the list have a higher unpressured rating than Joe. I'm assuming injuries have something to do with it but, dang, Lamar Jackson is higher than Joe unpressured?

More QB friendly offenses (especially Goff). I posted it a while back but the Bengals basically ask Burrow to play QB on “hard mode.”

What does playing QB on "Hard Mode" look like?

Percentage of Passes Thrown Behind the Line

Josh Allen - 19.5%
Lamar Jackson - 17.4%
Joe Burrow - 12.0%

Percentage Of Screen Passes Thrown

Allen - 13.1%
Lamar - 11.9%
Burrow - 6.1%

Percentage Of Play-action Passes

Allen -…

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) December 30, 2024

[Mer]

(06-30-2025, 09:07 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: More QB friendly offenses (especially Goff). I posted it a while back but the Bengals basically ask Burrow to play QB on “hard mode.”

What does playing QB on "Hard Mode" look like?

Percentage of Passes Thrown Behind the Line

Josh Allen - 19.5%
Lamar Jackson - 17.4%
Joe Burrow - 12.0%

Percentage Of Screen Passes Thrown

Allen - 13.1%
Lamar - 11.9%
Burrow - 6.1%

Percentage Of Play-action Passes

Allen -…

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) December 30, 2024

That helped. Especially the play action passes stat and OL blocking stat.

[*rfaulk34*]

(06-30-2025, 08:47 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Impressive stat, especially some of the differences vs Burrow's smaller difference but not much real data behind the post.  How does he define unpressured?  more context would be better, i think a great stat would be ball release connected to it.  What is the average ball release of these QBs unpressured vs pressured and what percentage of throws of QBs are pressured and unpressured.   That would give more substance to this chart

Come on, bro. Do you even football? Pressures are a bit subjective but they're usually defined by the people that track the stat. 

This is all likely very basic. Drop back, no one within X feet of you = upressured. Drop back, somone within X feet of you = pressured. 

[Essex Johnson]

(06-30-2025, 11:33 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote:

Come on, bro. Do you even football? Pressures are a bit subjective but they're usually defined by the people that track the stat. 

This is all likely very basic. Drop back, no one within X feet of you = upressured. Drop back, somone within X feet of you = pressured. 

so subjective, great... how about more objective bro... 

[*ochocincos*]

Don't worry, Lucas Patrick was added to the OL to save the day.

[*rfaulk34*]

(06-30-2025, 12:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: so subjective, great... how about more objective bro... 

You're kidding, right? Not everything can be judged objectively in a sport with so many moving parts. 

When each player has a chip in his shoulder pads and they can measure the precise distance between players and then someone defines exactly what constitutes a pressure, across the board, then you can have your objectivity. Until then, you can subjectively calculate a pressure somewhat objectively by using the criteria established. 

Time To Throw, which i think you were talking about, is already part of the equation that is used in some instances. TTT is subjective as well because sometimes the oline is going to break down and sometimes the QB is going to release quick or hold the ball a long time. 

[*bfine32*]

DISCLAIMER: I THINK JOE BURROW IS THE BEST QB IN THE NFL

Now:

How much of that does JB bring on himself? He's on record as stating he loves an empty set (no one helping the online block) and he's also stated not all sacks are back.

What he does is awesome, but he does nothing to avoid pressure, the does do a lot to avoid getting sacked relative to pressure such as moving in the pocket, circus throws, and the occasional scramble

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-30-2025, 01:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: DISCLAIMER: I THINK JOE BURROW IS THE BEST QB IN THE NFL

Now:

How much of that does JB bring on himself? He's on record as stating he loves an empty set (no one helping the online block) and he's also stated not all sacks are back.

What he does is awesome, but he does nothing to avoid pressure, the does do a lot to avoid getting sacked relative to pressure such as moving in the pocket, circus throws, and the occasional scramble

This is a good question. Joe loves the pressure it seems, if he had a RB or H-back in the backfield with him more I think he would get 
hit and pressured a lot less. I know our Guard play has been terrible, but always being in the Shotgun in empty sets sure puts a ton of 
pressure on the OL as well as Joe.

Edit: Also, I might add that it sure helps that Joe doesn't fain from pressure and is the best QB in the NFL. Just saying these empty sets
and Shotgun make any OL worse than they would normally be.

Even the Eagles or Lions OL would be worse with Joe and his beloved empty sets and Shotgun sets all the time.

[*ochocincos*]

(06-30-2025, 12:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: so subjective, great... how about more objective bro... 

The definition of a pressure is, in and of itself, subjective. Specifically, this is subjective around the definition of a hurry.
"When the quarterback is forced to move or throw before they are ready, or throws the ball away to avoid a sack."
The subjective part is determining "before they are ready."


It's commonly debated in football circles, as some think it's just whenever a defender gets within X feet of the QB, could be when a defender gets by/beats the OL, etc.

Different QBs also are "hurried" differently based on their comfortability having a guy get close to them.

At the end of the day, if someone doesn't like that hurries are somewhat subjective, they probably shouldn't care about hurries at all. Just care about hits and sacks, as those are much more objective.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(06-30-2025, 01:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: DISCLAIMER: I THINK JOE BURROW IS THE BEST QB IN THE NFL

Now:

How much of that does JB bring on himself? He's on record as stating he loves an empty set (no one helping the online block) and he's also stated not all sacks are back.

What he does is awesome, but he does nothing to avoid pressure, the does do a lot to avoid getting sacked relative to pressure such as moving in the pocket, circus throws, and the occasional scramble

Idk, I still think we can put plenty of it on really poor OL’s.

most brutal stat you'll read today:

Joe Burrow has been blitzed at the #1 LOWEST rate of any QB the last 4 years

--but--

he has been hit within 2.5 seconds of snap at the #1 HIGHEST rate ?

Burrow has been hit within 2.5 seconds 25% MORE than the #2 most hit QB in the NFL ? pic.twitter.com/QOCOmIvRgg

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 1, 2025

[Whatever]

(07-01-2025, 11:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Idk, I still think we can put plenty of it on really poor OL’s.

most brutal stat you'll read today:

Joe Burrow has been blitzed at the #1 LOWEST rate of any QB the last 4 years

--but--

he has been hit within 2.5 seconds of snap at the #1 HIGHEST rate ?

Burrow has been hit within 2.5 seconds 25% MORE than the #2 most hit QB in the NFL ? pic.twitter.com/QOCOmIvRgg

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 1, 2025

It's a strange issue, though.  According to PFR, Joe was only pressured at a rate .1% higher than league average last year.  However, the number of immediate, "jailbreak" pressures he faces is alarming.  

[*KillerGoose*]

(07-02-2025, 10:32 AM)Whatever Wrote: It's a strange issue, though.  According to PFR, Joe was only pressured at a rate .1% higher than league average last year.  However, the number of immediate, "jailbreak" pressures he faces is alarming.  

I have a strong suspicion it is the amount of empty Cincinnati likes to run. I have never been able to find personnel data so I can't prove it empirically but I do know that Cincinnati has been running empty more than any other team in the league. This coupled with a shaky offensive line could lead to the stat posted earlier. That's my hypothesis, at least. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-01-2025, 11:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Idk, I still think we can put plenty of it on really poor OL’s.

most brutal stat you'll read today:

Joe Burrow has been blitzed at the #1 LOWEST rate of any QB the last 4 years

--but--

he has been hit within 2.5 seconds of snap at the #1 HIGHEST rate ?

Burrow has been hit within 2.5 seconds 25% MORE than the #2 most hit QB in the NFL ? pic.twitter.com/QOCOmIvRgg

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 1, 2025

Welcome to passing the 2nd most, running the 30th most, and loving empty backfields.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-01-2025, 11:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Idk, I still think we can put plenty of it on really poor OL’s.

most brutal stat you'll read today:

Joe Burrow has been blitzed at the #1 LOWEST rate of any QB the last 4 years

--but--

he has been hit within 2.5 seconds of snap at the #1 HIGHEST rate ?

Burrow has been hit within 2.5 seconds 25% MORE than the #2 most hit QB in the NFL ? pic.twitter.com/QOCOmIvRgg

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 1, 2025

It is smart not to blitz Joe, he shreds the blitz. But yeah, poor OL play is definitely why he gets hit so fast all the time.

Got to get better this year on the OL under Peters.

[*bengalfan74*]

(07-02-2025, 10:45 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: I have a strong suspicion it is the amount of empty Cincinnati likes to run. I have never been able to find personnel data so I can't prove it empirically but I do know that Cincinnati has been running empty more than any other team in the league. This coupled with a shaky offensive line could lead to the stat posted earlier. That's my hypothesis, at least. 

(07-02-2025, 11:03 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Welcome to passing the 2nd most, running the 30th most, and loving empty backfields.

I hate all those empty sets.... just saying

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-02-2025, 04:26 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I hate all those empty sets.... just saying

But Burrow evidently loves them.... just saying.