10 Enlightening Facts About Gay And Trans People

[Griever]

(06-17-2016, 03:15 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: Could also interpret it as "they are incredibly resilient."  Just like regardless of all the bigotry, the Jews throughout Europe were thriving until Nazi policies set in.  Just for some people who will misinterpret this, I will clarify:  I'm not comparing Jews and gays in general, only using the Jewish experience to show that it's possible to simultaneously be an "oppressed" population and be resilient enough to overcome it to some extent.  

That article really says nothing either way about the validity of whether gays are oppressed.  

we all know only christians are oppressed in the USA. 

[StLucieBengal]

(06-20-2016, 08:39 AM)GMDino Wrote:






The conversation moved from your laughable "thought" that the slave owning founding fathers wanted to free the slaves to how they were treated for another 200 years after that.

You sent it off track, you didn't keep up.

Please try harder.

It moved because kain tried to pull what you attempted.   Moving off the founders to the next century.   Which is irrelevant when we were talking about the founders.   

The fact that you wasted your time posting this is amazing.   If you can't talk about the founders then I guess we are done here since you don't have anything to add.  

[BmorePat87]

Fact #11. They're human beings.

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 01:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It moved because kain tried to pull what you attempted.   Moving off the founders to the next century.   Which is irrelevant when we were talking about the founders.   

The fact that you wasted your time posting this is amazing.   If you can't talk about the founders then I guess we are done here since you don't have anything to add.  

You said the founding fathers made everyone equal which is a bold faced lie since most of them OWNED OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. And that's ignoring the fact that women were treated only slightly better than slaves at the time.

You posted a lie, got called on it, and now you're plugging your ears and stomping your feet screaming your right in the face of your overwhelming wrongness.

[Griever]

(06-20-2016, 02:02 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: You said the founding fathers made everyone equal which is a bold faced lie since most of them OWNED OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. And that's ignoring the fact that women were treated only slightly better than slaves at the time.

You posted a lie, got called on it, and now you're plugging your ears and stomping your feet screaming your right in the face of your overwhelming wrongness.

soooooo, business as usual?

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 02:15 PM)Griever Wrote: soooooo, business as usual?

Yeah if you want the short version.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-20-2016, 02:02 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: You said the founding fathers made everyone equal which is a bold faced lie since most of them OWNED OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. And that's ignoring the fact that women were treated only slightly better than slaves at the time.

You posted a lie, got called on it, and now you're plugging your ears and stomping your feet screaming your right in the face of your overwhelming wrongness.

Oh this is alinsky Rule #....

The best part is that almost every one of your posts falls under one of these alinsky rules.  

Quote: Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals

Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)


* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

[StLucieBengal]

(06-20-2016, 01:26 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Fact #11. They're human beings.

With mental disorders who need our help not for us to pander to their problems.  

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 04:40 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: With mental disorders who need our help not for us to pander to their problems.  

Says the guy with the imaginary sky friend.

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 04:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Oh this is alinsky Rule #....

The best part is that almost every one of your posts falls under one of these alinsky rules.  

It's fun watching you justify slavery.

[BmorePat87]

(06-20-2016, 05:03 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Says the guy with the imaginary sky friend.

"I am a man who loves this man right next to me"

MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!


"I am a man who loves an omnipotent man who lives in the sky"

Respect my beliefs. I am sane. 

[Vas Deferens]

(06-20-2016, 05:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: "I am a man who loves this man right next to me"

MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!


"I am a man who loves an omnipotent man who lives in the sky"

Respect my beliefs. I am sane. 

PANDER TO MY PROBLEMS!

[Mike M (the other one)]

(06-18-2016, 10:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have me confused with Bfine.

I am the one alwasy comdemning people for dismissing anargument based onkly on the soiurce.  I ALWAYS address the substance.  Bfine is the one who refuses to even look at facts and just claim that any source from the "other side" is automatically wrong.

No I don't have you confused at all, I've been in plenty of arguments and posted links supporting my stances only to have you do exactly what you just said that BFine always does.

[fredtoast]

(06-20-2016, 06:58 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: No I don't have you confused at all, I've been in plenty of arguments and posted links supporting my stances only to have you do exactly what you just said that BFine always does.

No you have not.

This is a lie.  And you can not post a single example of me dismissing nay bargument based just on the source.  I always address the substance of the argument.

[*bfine32*]

(06-20-2016, 06:58 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: No I don't have you confused at all, I've been in plenty of arguments and posted links supporting my stances only to have you do exactly what you just said that BFine always does.

Fred was just hoping that you had mistaken him for me. It makes him feel more relevant. 

[StLucieBengal]

(06-20-2016, 05:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: "I am a man who loves this man right next to me"

MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!


"I am a man who loves an omnipotent man who lives in the sky"

Respect my beliefs. I am sane. 

Being gay is against mother nature's intent.   We are Made to have more humans.   That doesn't work with gays so there is an obvious disconnect.   

 

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 07:40 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Being gay is against mother nature's intent.   We are Made to have more humans.   That doesn't work with gays so there is an obvious disconnect.   

 

Too bad it happens in nature all the time.

Womp womp.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-20-2016, 07:44 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Too bad it happens in nature all the time.

Womp womp.

And doesn't Mother Nature cull the ones who aren't right.   

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2016, 07:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And doesn't Mother Nature cull the ones who aren't right.   

Not always. Darwin's exceptions.

[masterpanthera_t]

(06-20-2016, 09:22 AM)Griever Wrote: we all know only christians are oppressed in the USA. 

Is this a counter to my post?  If so, I think you missed the point of what I posted as a reply to another poster.