10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH

[*Nately120*]

(07-12-2022, 12:16 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Do unborns count as humans or not? 
Make up your mind

Are you talking to me or Texas?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-12-2022, 12:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Are you talking to me or Texas?

The dam political process. 
Either they count or don't count. Just get shit established legally so we can move on for now. We can come back around to abortions later when it's time to elect a POTUS. That way it can remain as a divisive issue for each side to get their Votes. Dam lol so annoying

[*Nately120*]

(07-12-2022, 12:23 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The dam political process. 
Either they count or don't count. Just get shit established legally so we can move on for now. We can come back around to abortions later when it's time to elect a POTUS. That way it can remain as a divisive issue for each side to get their Votes. Dam lol so annoying

Come on man, you're going to wait for the politics to stop being irrational, hypocritical and/or full of crap?

[Sled21]

I notice this is still a single source story.

[*Nately120*]

(07-12-2022, 01:24 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I notice this is still a single source story.

Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

John 20:29

[Sled21]

Ohio AG... "Not a shred of evidence anywhere to be found on this case."

No rape kit, no report of rape, not whispers among any of the Sheriff's offices or police depts. This story is going to fall apart just like
Russian Collusion
Nicholas Sandman
Jesse Smullet

[*Nately120*]

(07-12-2022, 01:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Ohio AG... "Not a shred of evidence anywhere to be found on this case."

No rape kit, no report of rape, not whispers among any of the Sheriff's offices or police depts. This story is going to fall apart just like
Russian Collusion
Nicholas Sandman
Jesse Smullet

Rigged 2020 election

[GMDino]

(07-12-2022, 01:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Rigged 2020 election

Ain't it the truth?

All they want is the girl's name for crying out loud!  Maybe an interview to see if she was REALLY raped! 

Is that so wrong?

[*Nately120*]

(07-12-2022, 01:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ain't it the truth?

All they want is the girl's name for crying out loud!  Maybe an interview to see if she was REALLY raped! 

Is that so wrong?

Just release her name...I promise the modern republican party totally would NEVER ever ever threaten the life of a pregnant 10 year old...promise. 

[GMDino]

(07-12-2022, 01:58 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Just release her name...I promise the modern republican party totally would NEVER ever ever threaten the life of a pregnant 10 year old...promise. 

True.  Especially if she was having dessert at Morton's.

[Sled21]

(07-12-2022, 01:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: Ain't it the truth?

All they want is the girl's name for crying out loud!  Maybe an interview to see if she was REALLY raped! 

Is that so wrong?

Nope, nobody wants her name. An acknowledgement that a police report for rape of a juvenile, as required by law, from any LE source, with the name redacted would suffice. It's so funny how when something fits your narrative, you require no proof at all. A simple allegation from an abortion provider being put out of business is all it takes for you.

[GMDino]

(07-12-2022, 04:01 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Nope, nobody wants her name. An acknowledgement that a police report for rape of a juvenile, as required by law, from any LE source, with the name redacted would suffice. It's so funny how when something fits your narrative, you require no proof at all. A simple allegation from an abortion provider being put out of business is all it takes for you.

Tell me more about Clinton prosecuting the Blackwater guys. 

[Lucidus]

(07-12-2022, 01:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Ohio AG... "Not a shred of evidence anywhere to be found on this case."

No rape kit, no report of rape, not whispers among any of the Sheriff's offices or police depts. This story is going to fall apart just like
Russian Collusion
Nicholas Sandman
Jesse Smullet

Whether the story is true or not, what's your opinion on the underlying issue?

Should there be an exception to abortion bans for underage victims of rape and incest?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-12-2022, 06:11 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Whether the story is true or not, what's your opinion on the underlying issue?

Should there be an exception to abortion bans for underage victims of rape and incest?

OFC there should be Legislation that covers this.

All that's happening right now is over-dramatizing it. 

If it's true, this girl will already have enough problems in life as is, no need to compound her problems publicly. If i was her father/Uncle/friend of family, i'd be pissed beyond words at the Abortion Clinic for trying to use my daughter/niece in such a way. 

[GMDino]

The ripple effect continues...

Note: with names this time for those who choose to poo-poo that these things can happen in real life.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/post-roe-many-autoimmune-patients-lose-access-to-gold-standard-drug

Quote:JULY 11, 2022 5 AM PT

Six days after the Supreme Court struck down the right to abortion, lupus patient Becky Schwarz got an unexpected message from her rheumatologist.

“This is a notice to let you know that we are pausing all prescriptions and subsequent refills of methotrexate,” the message read. “This decision has been made in response to the reversal of Roe vs. Wade.”


Schwarz was stunned. Methotrexate is a cheap, common drug prescribed to millions of Americans. Like her, many have rheumatic illnesses. 
Others take it to treat inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis or cancer.


Yet few are aware that it is used off-label to end ectopic pregnancies, or that it could be restricted by doctors or pharmacists even in states like Virginia that do not ban abortion.


The reasons are numerous, and muddy.


In Texas, dispensing methotrexate to someone who uses it to induce a miscarriage after 49 days of gestation is a felony; that makes pharmacists hesitant to fill such prescriptions for almost anyone with a uterus. A new total ban on abortion in Tennessee will effectively criminalize any medication that could disrupt pregnancy past the point of fertilization, with strict exceptions for a patient who will otherwise die. And in Virginia, confusion over rules about who is permitted to prescribe drugs “qualified as abortifacients” may be blocking access to the medication.


“That’s what was shocking to me,” said Schwarz, a 27-year-old who lives in Tysons Corner, Va. “In a state where I thought I was relatively protected regardless of what the Supreme Court decided, I found out I wasn’t.”

Methotrexate was originally developed as a chemotherapy agent more than 60 years ago. But in low doses, it has proved to be one of the safest, least expensive and most effective treatments for roughly a dozen autoimmune conditions, from juvenile idiopathic arthritis to Crohn’s disease.


“It’s one of the most common medications that I prescribe,” said Dr. Grant Schulert, a pediatric rheumatology specialist at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital. “It’s really a mainstay of our practice.”


Indeed, methotrexate was first approved to treat rheumatic illnesses in 1959, before Schulert was born and almost 15 years before Roe vs. Wade was decided.

A protester throws a coat hanger representing unsafe abortions outside Los Angeles City Hall.
(Wesley Lapointe / Los Angeles Times)

Since its reversal, many patients have been delayed or denied this “gold-standard” treatment for conditions that have nothing to do with pregnancy.


“I have gotten some reports where children have been denied methotrexate for their juvenile arthritis until they’ve proven they’re not pregnant,” said Dr. Cuoghi Edens, an assistant professor of internal medicine and pediatrics at University of Chicago Medicine and a rheumatology expert who treats adults and children.


In one case, a pharmacist initially refused to dispense methotrexate to an 8-year-old girl in Texas. In a note the child’s doctor shared with Edens, the pharmacist wrote, “Females of possible child bearing potential have to have diagnosis on hard copy with state abortion laws.”
Methotrexate is a folate antagonist, which can cause miscarriage at high doses. Although it is not used in medication abortion, it is the preferred treatment for ectopic pregnancy, a rapidly fatal complication that affects about 100,000 patients per year in the U.S.

In an ectopic pregnancy, the fertilized egg never reaches the uterus and instead implants, for example, in the fallopian tube. Such pregnancies are always fatal for the fetus and can also kill the mother.

Those patients represent about 2% of the 5 million Americans who take methotrexate. Yet this uncommon, off-label use is the basis for tight new restrictions on a medication that is disproportionately prescribed to women and girls of reproductive age.


“The majority of rheumatic diseases affect females at substantially higher rates than males,” Edens explained. “The prevalence of rheumatoid arthritis in women to men is 3 to 1. For lupus it’s 10 to 1. And so rheumatology is a very female-predominate patient population.”


Such patients take a far lower dose of methotrexate than is used to treat ectopic pregnancy or breast cancer. Most are counseled to use contraceptives, and to switch to alternative treatments if they seek to get pregnant.


Nevertheless, some doctors have already stopped prescribing methotrexate rather than risk falling afoul of antiabortion laws.

Sarah Blahovec, the Crohn’s patient waiting on her prescription, says, “Anything weaker, I’ll go out of remission. And anything stronger, I’ll get these infections.”
(Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times)

Many pharmacists have likewise refused to fill methotrexate prescriptions, or have demanded additional proof before dispensing the medication to patients they believe could get pregnant.

Experts say it’s not clear yet how many patients will lose access to their medication in the wake of the Supreme Court decision, or even which states might try to limit it.


That’s led to panic for many patients who rely on the drug.


“The biggest thing that right now I’m hearing is just a lot of fear of what is going to happen next,” said Schulert. “Even in patients who are doing well who stop a medication, about half will flare their disease in six to 12 months.”


Without methotrexate, many of Schulert’s juvenile idiopathic arthritis patients could no longer hold a pencil or type on a computer. Others face irreversible damage to organs and joints.


“Patients are saying, ‘I’ve been on this medication for years, I’m finally feeling like myself again, I don’t want to have to switch,’” said Zoe Rothblatt, a community outreach manager at the Global Healthy Living Foundation, a patient advocacy organization. “It’s the gold standard, and we need to get the word out so people aren’t scared and they’re able to get their medication.”


Methotrexate belongs to a class of medications called “disease modifying anti-rheumatic drugs,” or DMARDS, that also includes the antimalarial medication hydroxychloroquine, which former President Trump touted as a treatment for COVID-19.


Some lupus patients were switched to methotrexate from hydroxychloroquine in the early months of the pandemic, when the federal government briefly stockpiled the drug. Now, they fear having to scramble to find a new alternative their body will tolerate and their insurance will cover.


That’s because methotrexate isn’t just effective. It’s also extremely cheap. Many chain pharmacies charge less than $10 to fill a typical monthly prescription of the round yellow or orange pills.


“Methotrexate is often a first medication that a person has to use before they can go on to the next step of medication called biologics,” Edens said. “There’s a reason why it’s recommended first, and that’s because it works.”


When DMARDs fail, biologics can be equally or even more effective for treating illnesses such as lupus, ulcerative colitis and psoriasis. But most are new, patent-protected drugs delivered via IV infusion at a medical center. They cost thousands of times more.


“We spend a fair amount of uncompensated time fighting with insurance companies for those even when they’re approved,” said Schulert. “Even if the financial cost is not large to patients, if they have good insurance coverage, there’s a lot of worry of ‘Will it get approved?’ and they have to reapprove it every year.”

An abortion protest in front of the Supreme Court last month. Experts say it’s not clear how many patients will lose access to medication in the wake of the Roe vs. Wade reversal.
(Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times)

Biologics also carry risks that DMARDs don’t, including a rare but serious risk of opportunistic infections.


That’s what happened to Sarah Blahovec of Alexandria, Va., a Crohn’s disease patient who is waiting to see if her methotrexate prescription will be refilled in the coming weeks.


“I’ve tried all the options,” she said. “Anything weaker, I’ll go out of remission. And anything stronger, I’ll get these infections.”


That’s part of what makes the legal chaos around methotrexate so distressing, even to patients who still have access to the drug.


“All medicines are not created equal,” Edens explained. “Some of our medicines don’t work as well as methotrexate. Other medications also have side effects that patients are not able to tolerate, or they interact with other medications that they have to take.”


For such complex patients, even a delay in their medication can make them sicker.


“As a physician I took an oath to do no harm,” Edens said. “To me, this is doing harm.”

This is also why so many feel birth control is also possibly under attack.  Besides Ginni Thomas' husband saying it should be "looked at" again.

[Donnyho]

Arrest made in the case of the rape of the 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indy for abortion 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-12-2022, 04:01 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Nope, nobody wants her name. An acknowledgement that a police report for rape of a juvenile, as required by law, from any LE source, with the name redacted would suffice. It's so funny how when something fits your narrative, you require no proof at all. A simple allegation from an abortion provider being put out of business is all it takes for you.

It's weird how that works, eh?

(07-12-2022, 05:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: Tell me more about Clinton prosecuting the Blackwater guys. 

Deflecting from a perfectly valid, and accurate, criticism of your stated positions isn't really a good look.  Say you're completely correct with your accusation, how does that change the fact that you're doing the exact same thing?

[GMDino]

(07-13-2022, 02:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's weird how that works, eh?


Deflecting from a perfectly valid, and accurate, criticism of your stated positions isn't really a good look.  Say you're completely correct with your accusation, how does that change the fact that you're doing the exact same thing?

Except the "perfectly valid, and accurate, criticism of your stated positions" was not only wrong, it came from a guy who actually had his facts wrong and wouldn't admit it because of didn't "fit his narrative".  And from someone who cast doubt on THIS story because it didn't "fit his narrative".

So, not only the exact same thing but the exact opposite thing.

As per usual, you went barking up the wrong tree 'cause you saw a squirrel there one time.

[GMDino]

(07-13-2022, 01:59 PM)Donnyho Wrote: Arrest made in the case of the rape of the 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indy for abortion 

Thanks for info.

I'm add this link here:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/ohio-attorney-general-rejoices-arrest-child-rape-suspect/10048250002/

So everyone can read about the AG who didn't believe is so happy now.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-13-2022, 04:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: Except the "perfectly valid, and accurate, criticism of your stated positions" was not only wrong, it came from a guy who actually had his facts wrong and wouldn't admit it because of didn't "fit his narrative".  And from someone who cast doubt on THIS story because it didn't "fit his narrative".

So, not only the exact same thing but the exact opposite thing.

As per usual, you went barking up the wrong tree 'cause you saw a squirrel there one time.

Exactly how does this change you doing the same thing you're accusing him of?  Even if your accusation is 100% accurate it does not absolve you of the same sin.  I think it's very reasonable to request some actual proof of a national news story being used by federal politicians to advance their agenda.  Whether he failed to require the same proof for other stories in the past is immaterial to this, or the accusation of your engaging in the exact same behavior.