Bell Plans On Returning Now?

[BFritz21]

(10-08-2018, 08:04 PM)Captain Obvious Wrote: Again, I'm going to do you a favor. You make such bad posts I can't stand seeing you suffer like this. I'm going to help you slowly put yourself out of your misery. I'm going to stop responding to this one as well so it'll slowly doe off into the second page and stop any further embarrassment I've put you through smacking you around. You're welcome.

You can't answer questions so you keep spitting out the same bullshit.

This is the first year that they've ever had jobs or kids, right? All 60,000 of them! 

No Steelers game has EVER been that empty at the end of a game because they would have shown it.

Steelers fans are bandwagon crybabies.

[StrictlyBiz]

(10-10-2018, 10:06 PM)Whatever Wrote: Generally speaking, RB's have a higher ypc in games in which their team trails.  The opposing defense focuses on shutting down the pass.  Conner averaged 2.1 ypc against the Chiefs and Ravens.  His raw stats didn't just suck because he didn't get carries in those games.  His raw stats sucked because he was ineffective when he carried the ball despite the fact that the defense was more focused on the pass.  

Lol, that's silly. You're reaching. You're taking a rare situation in football, when teams play a prevent, and applying it to any time that a team has a lead. That doesn't fly since leads vary in total throughout the game...from large to small to non existent and defensive strategies adjust accordingly.

When teams go into a prevent it's usually with a mutli-score lead and much later in the game. In that situation, offenses rarely run the ball. It's all pass all the time except for the occasional draw that will gain bigger yards. But those runs are so few and far between that they don't make much of a difference. 

Maybe you could give me a link that shows me that RBs have a higher ypc in games where their team trails and I'll reconsider? I want to see some solid research into it, otherwise its merely an observation that is sometimes true, sometimes not depending on the situation. 

I think it's also worth repeating what my assertion is. Im not saying that Conner is better than Bell. Im not saying that Conner = Bell. Im saying that Conner so far this year has proven to a more than an adequate replacement for Bell especially considering the cost differential. The offense isn't the problem with this team. They haven't missed a beat without Bell. In fact they are averaging 3ppg more so far this year with Connor than they did with Bell ALL last year. And a whopping 11.4 ppg better through the first 5 games. 

[Whatever]

(10-12-2018, 05:52 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Lol, that's silly. You're reaching. You're taking a rare situation in football, when teams play a prevent, and applying it to any time that a team has a lead. That doesn't fly since leads vary in total throughout the game...from large to small to non existent and defensive strategies adjust accordingly.

When teams go into a prevent it's usually with a mutli-score lead and much later in the game. In that situation, offenses rarely run the ball. It's all pass all the time except for the occasional draw that will gain bigger yards. But those runs are so few and far between that they don't make much of a difference. 

Maybe you could give me a link that shows me that RBs have a higher ypc in games where their team trails and I'll reconsider? I want to see some solid research into it, otherwise its merely an observation that is sometimes true, sometimes not depending on the situation. 

I think it's also worth repeating what my assertion is. Im not saying that Conner is better than Bell. Im not saying that Conner = Bell. Im saying that Conner so far this year has proven to a more than an adequate replacement for Bell especially considering the cost differential. The offense isn't the problem with this team. They haven't missed a beat without Bell. In fact they are averaging 3ppg more so far this year with Connor than they did with Bell ALL last year. And a whopping 11.4 ppg better through the first 5 games. 

I think we both know who's reaching here.  I can take the time to do a bunch of statistical research, or  I can just point out that your boy played like trash whether teams focused on the run or not.  You're the one trying to excuse his pathetic performances.  

For another, I can easily throw the shoe on the other foot and point out that you have given no statistical evidence to your claims that teams run less when behind on the scoreboard .  Kinda hypocritical to demand statistics for points based on basic logic and not provide them for your own points.  When you provide facts to support that point, I'll start providing facts on my points.  Even then, you can't completely rule out that he got less carries due to the fact that he was completely ineffective as a runner.  We both know it was a combination of both the score and his pathetic 2.1 ypc that resulted in his low number of touches.

Scoring is up throughout the entire league due to the latest set of rules changes, so ppg being up means very little.  The Steelers D has been crap for the past few years, but they have been able to overcome due to a high powered offense of which Bell was a big piece.  

[StrictlyBiz]

(10-12-2018, 10:44 PM)Whatever Wrote: I think we both know who's reaching here.  I can take the time to do a bunch of statistical research, or  I can just point out that your boy played like trash whether teams focused on the run or not.  You're the one trying to excuse his pathetic performances.  

For another, I can easily throw the shoe on the other foot and point out that you have given no statistical evidence to your claims that teams run less when behind on the scoreboard .  Kinda hypocritical to demand statistics for points based on basic logic and not provide them for your own points.  When you provide facts to support that point, I'll start providing facts on my points.  Even then, you can't completely rule out that he got less carries due to the fact that he was completely ineffective as a runner.  We both know it was a combination of both the score and his pathetic 2.1 ypc that resulted in his low number of touches.

Scoring is up throughout the entire league due to the latest set of rules changes, so ppg being up means very little.  The Steelers D has been crap for the past few years, but they have been able to overcome due to a high powered offense of which Bell was a big piece.  

You're too lazy to do any research. You just like to look at stat lines and make assumptions that fit your narrative. I guess that it's easier that way. I dug deeper than the stat lines and broke down both of Connors pathetic games and showed precisely why they were pathetic. You've chosen to ignore it and just regurgitate the stat lines. 

Also, I didn't say that teams run less when behind. That's a generic statement and it's false. I said that when teams are behind by multiple scores they pretty much abandon the run except for an occasional play. I'll prove it....

Week 1 Redskins vs Cardinals. Cards down 21 in the second half. They ran the ball 6 times of their 37 plays
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030725

Week 1 Chiefs vs Chargers. After KC does up by 3 scores in the 3rd quarter, the Chargers run the ball just twice over their next 32 plays
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030720

Week 2 Bills vs Vikings. After falling behind 27-0 at the half, the Vikings ran the ball, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA. Not one time in the second half. 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030784

Week 2 Packers vs Redskins. After falling behind by 18 at the half, Green Bay had just 5 running plays of 36 total plays in the second half
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030781


Im going to stop here because I think that I've proven my point like you asked me to. 

[Whatever]

(10-13-2018, 04:26 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: You're too lazy to do any research. You just like to look at stat lines and make assumptions that fit your narrative. I guess that it's easier that way. I dug deeper than the stat lines and broke down both of Connors pathetic games and showed precisely why they were pathetic. You've chosen to ignore it and just regurgitate the stat lines. 

Also, I didn't say that teams run less when behind. That's a generic statement and it's false. I said that when teams are behind by multiple scores they pretty much abandon the run except for an occasional play. I'll prove it....

Week 1 Redskins vs Cardinals. Cards down 21 in the second half. They ran the ball 6 times of their 37 plays
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030725

Week 1 Chiefs vs Chargers. After KC does up by 3 scores in the 3rd quarter, the Chargers run the ball just twice over their next 32 plays
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030720

Week 2 Bills vs Vikings. After falling behind 27-0 at the half, the Vikings ran the ball, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA. Not one time in the second half. 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030784

Week 2 Packers vs Redskins. After falling behind by 18 at the half, Green Bay had just 5 running plays of 36 total plays in the second half
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401030781


Im going to stop here because I think that I've proven my point like you asked me to. 

Not at all.  I'm just not willing to put more work into the discussion than you are.

Last year, Bell averaged 4.4 ypc when the Steelers were behind and 4.0 when they had the lead.

http://www.nfl.com/player/le'veonbell/2540175/situationalstats?season=2017

Joe Mixon averages 3.8 ypc when the Bengals have the lead, and 5.4 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joemixon/2557976/situationalstats

Ezekiel Elliott averages 5.2 with the lead and 6.5 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ezekielelliott/2555224/situationalstats

Saquon Barkley averages 3.9 when ahead, 5.9 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/saquonbarkley/2560968/situationalstats

Obviously, there are going to be outliers in both examples this early in the season, however in most cases teams run less when behind and have higher yards/carry when behind.

You have only explained away why Conner had poor raw stats in his two pathetic games.  You have completely failed to address why he was so unproductive with his carries in those games.

[StrictlyBiz]

(10-13-2018, 08:09 PM)Whatever Wrote: Not at all.  I'm just not willing to put more work into the discussion than you are.

Last year, Bell averaged 4.4 ypc when the Steelers were behind and 4.0 when they had the lead.

http://www.nfl.com/player/le'veonbell/2540175/situationalstats?season=2017

Joe Mixon averages 3.8 ypc when the Bengals have the lead, and 5.4 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joemixon/2557976/situationalstats

Ezekiel Elliott averages 5.2 with the lead and 6.5 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ezekielelliott/2555224/situationalstats

Saquon Barkley averages 3.9 when ahead, 5.9 when behind.

http://www.nfl.com/player/saquonbarkley/2560968/situationalstats

Obviously, there are going to be outliers in both examples this early in the season, however in most cases teams run less when behind and have higher yards/carry when behind.

You have only explained away why Conner had poor raw stats in his two pathetic games.  You have completely failed to address why he was so unproductive with his carries in those games.

I'll see your Le'veon Bell, Joe Mixon, Ezekiel Elliot, and Saquon Barkley and raise you 

Alvain Kamara
http://www.nfl.com/player/alvinkamara/2558019/situationalstats

Todd Gurley
http://www.nfl.com/player/toddgurley/2552475/situationalstats


James Connor
http://www.nfl.com/player/jamesconner/2557978/situationalstats


and

Isaiah Crowell
http://www.nfl.com/player/isaiahcrowell/2550189/situationalstats

All of whom have a higher YPC when are ahead than when they are behind. 

I explained why was he so unproductive in those games, you just don't accept it. They were taken out of the GP by falling behind BIG really early. Both of those games he only had 8 and 9 carries. For comparison, Saquon Barkley who you referenced earlier has two stink bombs as well. One game with at 3.2ypc and another with only 2.5. And his total carries in those games, both losses, were 10 and 11 respectively. 

Also check the playoff game vs Jacksonville last year. In the first quarter Bell was 7/29. After they fell behind 21-0 early in the second the game plan went out the window and Bell only got 9 more carries the rest of the game for 38 yards. One of those carries, the first actually went for 21, so over his last 8 carries while trailing by multiple touchdowns, Bell netted only 17 yards for a 2.1 ypc. Very Connor-like.

All of this aside, you finally got to see Connor up close yesterday. He had ANOTHER solid game, I don't think that there's any denying that.

Also don't look now, but all of the minutiae aside, guess who is 5th in the league in rushing?http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards


And also 5th RB in the league in All Purpose yards?
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=A


I honestly don't get where all of the hate is coming from. The guy is proving with each passing week to be a GREAT replacement for Bell and at a fraction of the cost.

In retrospect, the Steelers were stupid to offer Bell as much as they did. He may have actually SIGNED THE CONTRACT 
Thank God he's a total F'ing moron. 

[StrictlyBiz]

And how can you NOT love this? Shades of Bell on Dre Kirkpatrick


https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1051551626425708544

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-15-2018, 09:29 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: And how can you NOT love this? Shades of Bell on Dre Kirkpatrick


https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1051551626425708544

This whole team is weak and not in any way, shape or form, physical. 

[Captain Obvious]

(10-15-2018, 10:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: This whole team is weak and not in any way, shape or form, physical. 

This "weak" team was physical enough to beat the Bengals. Ouch, that must sting.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-16-2018, 12:57 AM)Captain Obvious Wrote: This "weak" team was physical enough to beat the Bengals. Ouch, that must sting.

I was talking about the Bengals. 

[*Go Cards*]

(10-16-2018, 01:28 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I was talking about the Bengals. 

Sometimes you must spell things out for Captain Obvious

[Captain Obvious]

(10-16-2018, 01:28 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I was talking about the Bengals. 

(10-16-2018, 01:36 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Sometimes you must spell things out for Captain Obvious

Well in my defense you never said which team. I'm also seeing "Smack Talk" on the top of this message board. We're suppose to smack the other teams in the division, not our own team. Smacking our own team defeats the whole purpose of this board's name.

[StrictlyBiz]

Another game, another great performance.
146 yards rushing 6.9ypc
66 yards receiving

212 total yards.

And Bells value continues to diminish as he stupidly has given up nearly $9M so far.

Time will prove me correct.
(Actually I’m already correct. Time will just reinforce it)

[StrictlyBiz]

And guess who's currently 3rd in the league in rushing and 3rd in all purpose yards in the NFL??

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=R&yr=2018&lg=NFL

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?lg=NFL&yr=2018&type=reg&mode=A&conf=&limit=25

[StrictlyBiz]

Lol, Connor sucks. 

[Dill]

(10-28-2018, 05:07 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Another game, another great performance.
146 yards rushing 6.9ypc
66 yards receiving

212 total yards.

And Bells value continues to diminish as he stupidly has given up nearly $9M so far.

Time will prove me correct.
(Actually I’m already correct. Time will just reinforce it)

If/when Bell does come back he won't really be in football shape. I imagine Connor will still carry most of the load, at least for a few games.

So stupid. Could have been a HoFer, and new he will just be another Mike Wallace.

[Luvnit2]

(10-29-2018, 11:39 AM)Dill Wrote: If/when Bell does come back he won't really be in football shape. I imagine Connor will still carry most of the load, at least for a few games.

So stupid. Could have been a HoFer, and new he will just be another Mike Wallace.

Steeler's should just remove the tag and wish him well. Cut him loose, they have the better cheaper option in Connor.

[Dill]

(10-29-2018, 02:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Steeler's should just remove the tag and wish him well. Cut him loose, they have the better cheaper option in Connor.

Trade. Get something in return.

[SteelCitySouth]

(10-29-2018, 02:27 PM)Dill Wrote: Trade. Get something in return.

Can trade him if he returns after the trade deadline.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-29-2018, 03:04 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Can trade him if he returns after the trade deadline.

Who the **** is this guy? :paul: