Candidates for 2020 elections.

[Benton]

The Dems only hope is 1- someone not in Congress and 2- someone who isn't a woman.

Biden would do ok, or pick from the handful of Democrat male governor's.

The gop I'm assuming will keep supporting trump. If they don't, their best bet is a woman. Preferably someone from the south who hasn't been married multiple times. Going away from the unhinged adulterr might bring back some base for them.

[Millhouse]

(01-04-2019, 01:41 PM)Benton Wrote: The Dems only hope is 1- someone not in Congress and 2- someone who isn't a woman.

Biden would do ok, or pick from the handful of Democrat male governor's.

The gop I'm assuming will keep supporting trump. If they don't, their best bet is a woman. Preferably someone from the south who hasn't been married multiple times. Going away from the unhinged adulterr might bring back some base for them.

If Joe runs, that is who I am probably voting for.

If Warren runs, I'm either voting Trump or abstaining.

[*Nately120*]

(01-04-2019, 02:20 PM)Millhouse Wrote: If Joe runs, that is who I am probably voting for.

If Warren runs, I'm either voting Trump or abstaining.

If the democrats put Warren up for president I'm officially joining team Trump.  It's just too tempting to be part of a team so lavishly rewarded for making "that time of the month" jokes. If she is president she will give the USA back to the redskins, and then it'll be "that time of the month" and she will go on a warpath!

[Millhouse]

(01-04-2019, 02:22 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If the democrats put Warren up for president I'm officially joining team Trump.  It's just too tempting to be part of a team so lavishly rewarded for making "that time of the month" jokes.  If she is president she will give the USA back to the redskins, and then it'll be "that time of the month" and she will go on a warpath!

I probably will just leave it blank if it's between them two. It isn't because she is a woman or is 1/32nd Native American, or 1/64th or whatever. But she is just, how do I put it nicely, too liberal.

[fredtoast]

(01-03-2019, 10:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually he said he would "beat the hell" out of him; instead of debating him

Definitely, not a bully mentality. or so you've been told. 

Threatening to beat up a person 50 years ago is no more bullying than threatening to shoot someone with a laser cannon from the moon.

They are both impossible so they carry no real threat.

[fredtoast]

(01-04-2019, 02:22 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If the democrats put Warren up for president I'm officially joining team Trump.  It's just too tempting to be part of a team so lavishly rewarded for making "that time of the month" jokes.  If she is president she will give the USA back to the redskins, and then it'll be "that time of the month" and she will go on a warpath!

It is ridiculous to feign concern over Warren's judgement during "that time of month".

She is almost 70 and has surely gone through menopause by now.

[*Nately120*]

(01-04-2019, 03:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is ridiculous to feign concern over Warren's judgement during "that time of month".

She is almost 70 and has surely gone through menopause by now.

Ridiculous is the name of the game in politics, now.  Where have you been?  My real hope is that the left wing can find someone as gloriously full of crap as Trump so I can watch a debate where both sides are promising money trees, laser guns, free giant walls, free doctorates, and maybe even a "If you elect me I promise to tell everyone where Elvis has been living all these years" promise.

[ballsofsteel]

(07-17-2018, 07:01 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Saw someone mention in another thread about how the non politician could be a trend.

Was talking with some friends and i mentioned Dwayne The Rock Johnson has not ruled out running for president.

And then it was brought to my attention how awsome it would be if little punk ass Putin was over there bullshitting and instead if having a conman clown kissing his ass winking at him and taking blame for Russias misdeeds it was The Rock flashing back the people's eyebrow staring him down.

It was at that moment i realized The Rock has a chance

Hi, I agree 100% , The Rock would make an excellent president. Who gives a shit if he served in the military. Remember, Ron Reagan was a B actor,
(who most memorable roles were making movies with another fine actor named Bonzo), was a good president and very presidential (at least till he was shot, thats when Nancy started making the callls).The Rock is a cool dude.

[BmorePat87]

[BmorePat87]

(01-11-2019, 12:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote:

Group 1. Party Loyalists

Demographic profile: Mostly older, white and upper-middle class. And mostly women. Many are politically active and count themselves as members of the #Resistance. As a rough guide, Party Loyalists probably represent around 30 percent of the Democratic electorate; in the Illinois Democratic primary in 2016, for example,4 about 30 percent of voters selected “experience” or “electability” as their top candidate quality and voted for Clinton rather than Sanders.

What they value in a candidate: These voters are capital-D Democrats who care about the fate of the Democratic Party and generally go along with what party elites want. They tend to trust established brands, although they also care a lot about electability.

Ideological preferences: On economic policy, Party Loyalists can span a reasonably wide range, but they’re certainly more liberal than left — that is, while they may favor substantial changes to the system, they don’t want to completely remake the American economy. With that said, the Democratic Party’s platform has shifted to the left overall, and Party Loyalists aren’t the type to buck the consensus on, say, a higher minimum wage. On social and cultural issues, Party Loyalists hold conventionally liberal attitudes, being strong supporters of abortion rights and gay marriage and gun control — but being older and mostly white, they sometimes regard the other groups as too radical on issues related to race.

Who they supported in recent Democratic primaries: Party Loyalists supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 and for the most part also supported Clinton in 2008, although with a fair number of defections to Barack Obama. But they’re usually on the winning side of the primaries; they supported John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000.


Group 2. The Left
Demographic profile: Going by membership statistics in the Democratic Socialists of America, this is the most male and the whitest of the five Democratic groups, although it’s becoming more diverse, especially among younger voters. A fair number of voters in The Left are independents rather than Democrats. They’re mostly college-educated, though not necessarily wealthy. The Left is probably somewhere around 25 percent of the Democratic electorate. In the Illinois Democratic primary in 2016, for example, 27 percent of voters said that Clinton’s positions were not liberal enough, while 24 percent said the same in Ohio.

What they value in a candidate: This is the most ideologically driven of the Democratic groups. Most obviously, they want candidates who they think will pursue left-wing economic solutions, e.g. higher taxes on the wealthy, Medicare-for-all and free college tuition, perhaps as part of a “Green New Deal.” In a broader sense, The Left thinks the status quo is broken and that capitalism doesn’t work at all or at least needs to be managed with much more government intervention — so they prefer candidates who they think will upset the apple cart over those who merely promise to reform existing institutions. The Left doesn’t trust the establishment’s instincts on “electability” and considers Clinton’s nomination to have been a debacle.

Ideological preferences: See above on economic policy. On social policy, there are quite a few divisions within this group, with some (mostly younger and urban) left-wing voters holding more liberal and “intersectional” views on issues related to race and immigration and other (mostly older and rural) voters being more “populist” and even taking conservative stances on some of these issues. On foreign policy, The Left favors a smaller military and can be more isolationist than the other Democratic-leaning groups, and it is also suspicious of free-trade agreements.

Who they supported in recent Democratic primaries: They supported Howard Dean in 2004 and Bernie Sanders in 2016. It’s less clear what they did in 2008; some voters in The Left may have preferred John Edwards initially, and then would have been lukewarm toward both Clinton and Obama.


Group 3: Millennials and Friends
Demographic profile: By one definition, millennials were born between 1982 and 2004, meaning that they’ll be somewhere between 16 years old (and thus not yet eligible to vote) and 38 years old in 2020. Although youth turnout can vary from election to election, that will likely make them somewhere on the order of 30 percent of the Democratic primary electorate in 2020. Age is not always among the most important characteristics in predicting voting behavior, but there was a huge, glaring exception in 2016, with Sanders winning overwhelmingly among millennials but Clinton dominating among baby boomers. Apart from being young, this is the most racially diverse of the Democratic groups. Many think of themselves as independents rather than Democrats. By “Millenials and Friends,” I mean that there are some Democratic voters, especially in urban areas, who are too old to be millennials (they’re the “friends”) but whose cosmopolitanism makes them fit in better with the millenials than with any of the other groups.

What they value in a candidate: It isn’t entirely obvious, as the candidates they’ve been attracted to in different cycles (Sanders in 2016, Obama in 2008) don’t necessarily have an enormous amount in common with one another. But it’s safe to say that young voters prefer “change” candidates to the status quo, which would usually translate to younger rather than older politicians. As you might expect, this group’s media consumption habits are way different than those of older voters: Voters under 30 are about twice as likely to get their news online as through the television. And they turn out less reliably than older voters. So candidates hoping to win this group must be able to be able to attract and hold these voters’ attention via social media.

Ideological preferences: On average, millenials care about racial justice, access to education and environmental issues more than older Democratic voters do. Younger voters view socialism much more favorably than older ones do, but the story is more complicated than millennials simply being further to the left: Younger voters5 also have more favorable views of libertarianism than older ones do, for example. Put another way, millenials are less wedded to the dominant political philosophies and labels of the previous generation and are willing to consider a fairly wide range of alternatives to replace them.

Who they supported in recent Democratic primaries: They preferred Sanders in 2016 and Obama in 2008. Most millennials weren’t old enough to have voted in 2004, but Dean overperformed among those who did.


Group 4. Black voters
Demographic profile: Black voters represented 19 percent of people who voted for Democratic House candidates in 2018, according to the national exit poll — so conveniently enough (since we have five groups) they’re about one-fifth of the Democratic electorate. Black voters are poorer and younger than other Democrats on average, and about 60 percent of black voters in Democratic primaries are women.

What they value in a candidate: After sometimes fractious racial politics in the Democratic Party of the 1980s and 1990s, in recent years there’s been an implicit alliance between black voters and the Democratic Party establishment. That’s served the interests of both groups fairly well; of the five voting blocs I’ve mentioned here, black voters were the only ones to back the winning candidate in both 2008 (Obama) and 2016 (Clinton). They were also a key part of John Kerry’s winning coalition in 2004. Thus, like Party Loyalists, black voters have traditionally been pragmatic and have placed a high emphasis on electability, preferring candidates whose mettle has been tested. Even Obama had to overcome initial skepticism as he didn’t poll that well among black voters in 2007 and 2008 when the campaign first began. However, there’s an emerging generational splitamong African-Americans, as black voters under 30 narrowly backed Sanders over Clinton in 2016 despite overwhelming support for Clinton among older black voters.

Ideological preferences: Black voters have traditionally been more religious and more socially conservative than other Democrats, having been relatively slow to support gay marriage, for example. They’re generally liberal on economic policy, although there’s sometimes tension among black votersabout candidates (such as Sanders) who are seen as emphasizing economic justice rather than racial justice. Again, however, there are important generational divides within the black community. Groups such as Color of Change have been more willing to endorse platforms that emphasize both social (e.g. voting rights and criminal justice) and economic (e.g. the minimum wage) priorities.

Who they supported in recent Democratic primaries: Black voters backed Kerry in 2004, Obama in 2008 and Clinton in 2016.


Group 5. Hispanic voters, sometimes in conjunction with Asian voters
Demographic profile: OK, a bit of explanation here. I’ve gone back and forth on whether to group Hispanic and Asian voters together. The case for doing so: Both groups are made up predominantly of relatively recent waves of immigrants to the U.S. and their descendents; Hispanic and Asian voters tend to be concentrated in the same states as one another (e.g. California); they prioritize similar issues (see below); voters in both groups are younger than average and have historically had low rates of voter registration and turnout; and Hispanics and Asians mostly voted similarly in recent Democratic primaries (backing Clinton in both 2008 and 2016). The case against: On average, Asian-Americans live in better economic circumstances than Hispanics (although there’s a lot of variation) and the two groups can sometimes split when there are black or Asian candidates on the ballot, as in the California Senate race in 2016, when Asian voters went overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris while Hispanics narrowly backed Loretta Sanchez. All things considered, Hispanic voters and Asian voters are likely to have correlated preferences, but in a field with a dozen or more candidates, it’s possible they won’t vote the same way. Hispanic voters are around 15 percent of the Democratic primary electorate and Asian voters are around 5 percent, so together, they make up about 20 percent of the vote, or roughly the same share as black voters.

What they value in a candidate: Because Hispanic and Asian voters were a small fraction of the electorate until recently, it’s hard to come to as many historically driven conclusions about their preferences. But Hispanic voters put a major emphasis on economic issues and generally favor a relatively high degree of government intervention in the economy (as do Asian voters). In that sense, they tend to be fairly pragmatic and solutions-driven voters, especially on pocketbook issues. And although immigration is important to these voters, issues related to health care, education and the economy consistently rate as higher priorities in surveys of both Hispanic and Asian-American voters.

Ideological preferences: As among black voters, there are important generational divides among Hispanics and Asians. For instance, many older Hispanic Democrats describe themselves as “moderate” or “conservative.” (For a long time, especially after George W. Bush performed comparatively well with Hispanic voters in 2004, the conventional wisdom was that they were center-right “family values” voters). Younger Hispanics tend to be more liberal, especially on social issues, by contrast. But both older and younger Hispanics have a highly negative view of the Republican Party and of Trump. Asian-American voters are similar to Hispanics in many respects, although they tend to be a bit more liberal on social issues. Both Hispanics and Asians favor a bigger government that provides more services.

Who they supported in recent Democratic primaries: Hispanic and Asian voters predominately backed Clinton in both 2008 and 2016. Hispanics were also an important part of Kerry’s coalition in 2004.

[BmorePat87]

Harris: 19/25
Booker: 17/25
O'Rourke: 16.5/25
Castro: 16/25
Brown: 16/25
Biden: 15/25
Gillibrand: 15/25
Sanders: 14/25
Warren: 14/25
Klobuchar: 13.5/25


If you were to assign a score to their theorized appeal.

[BmorePat87]

Tulsi Gabbard announced today that she is running for President

[*bfine32*]

(01-11-2019, 09:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Tulsi Gabbard announced today that she is running for President

Combat Vet and a Right leaning Liberal. Something I could get behind. Maybe she catches fire like Obama did in '08

[hollodero]

(01-11-2019, 09:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Tulsi Gabbard announced today that she is running for President

I'd call her a PILF were this thread not that damn classy.

[Belsnickel]

(01-11-2019, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Combat Vet and a Right leaning Liberal. Something I could get behind. Maybe she catches fire like Obama did in '08

Unfortunately, she won't get anywhere near the ticket. I have mixed feelings regarding her, but she is more appealing than some other options out there.

[*bfine32*]

(01-11-2019, 10:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Unfortunately, she won't get anywhere near the ticket. I have mixed feelings regarding her, but she is more appealing than some other options out there.

Most likely not as she called BS on the DNC last cycle. 

[Belsnickel]

Gabbard announcing has me thinking: do you think the US is willing to vote for a non-Christian POTUS? I ask because that has been a big thing for a long time where public opinion polling has indicated a non-Christian POTUS would not be happening. Do you think that has changed enough for a Hindu to be elected?

[BmorePat87]

(01-11-2019, 10:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Gabbard announcing has me thinking: do you think the US is willing to vote for a non-Christian POTUS? I ask because that has been a big thing for a long time where public opinion polling has indicated a non-Christian POTUS would not be happening. Do you think that has changed enough for a Hindu to be elected?

Gallup has asked about Jewish, Mormon, Muslim, and Atheist, but not Hindu. 

If I had to guess, I'd say that the 40% of Americans who won't for a Muslim or an Atheist is probably indicative of the lukewarm support a Hindu would receive. 
https://news.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx

[BmorePat87]

Julian Castro to announce today

[Belsnickel]

(01-12-2019, 01:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Julian Castro to announce today

A good candidate if he had more name recognition.