Coronavirus

[hollodero]

(07-05-2020, 11:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: So sorry that you elected a "man" incapable" of doing two things at once.

OK I agree with you on many things and I even tried to make a list, but seriously. You have to stop claiming bfine elected Trump when he clearly stated numerous times that he didn't. You call him a liar every time you do that and it is completely uncalled for.

[GMDino]

(07-05-2020, 11:20 AM)hollodero Wrote: OK I agree with you on many things and I even tried to make a list, but seriously. You have to stop claiming bfine elected Trump when he clearly stated numerous times that he didn't. You call him a liar every time you do that and it is completely uncalled for.

Universal you.  I was talking about the right/trump supporters vs the left.  

Edit: bfine has claimed along with several others that they did not vote for Trump. I have little reason to not believe that. I believe he is still a supporter and defend of Trump but not that he actually voted for him.

[*bfine32*]

(07-05-2020, 11:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: Universal you.  I was talking about the right/trump supporters vs the left.  

Sure you were. Why not say "we elected him"?  Because that's what happened. 

[GMDino]

(07-05-2020, 11:24 AM)hollodero Wrote: OK, if you say so I let it pass. You accused him explicitly of voting for Trump in the past though and hence I might be forgiven to assume you again meant "him" specifically when saying "you".

Far be it fro me to play forum police, but that one annoyed me every time you did that.

In the far past I have.  I found it hard to believe someone could be so strong a supporter of someone they didn't even want in office.

[GMDino]

(07-05-2020, 11:23 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure you were. Why not say "we elected him"?  Because that's what happened. 

Because "we" implies the "left" and the "right".

The "left" that is so hard on poor Donnie didn't elect him the "right" did.  And they continue to support and defend him.  Albeit in dwindling numbers.

[GMDino]

DANA BASH: You criticized Obama for 'failed leadership' when 2 people in the US died from Ebola. Nearly 130,000 are dead from coronavirus. So is Trump showing failed leadership?@SenJoniErnst: "No. I think that the president is stepping forward." pic.twitter.com/2KDUPpjL2Y

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 5, 2020

 

[*bfine32*]

(07-05-2020, 11:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Because "we" implies the "left" and the "right".

The "left" that is so hard on poor Donnie didn't elect him the "right" did.  And they continue to support and defend him.  Albeit in dwindling numbers.

Nope, we as America elected Trump. Now who voted for him is a different story. Perhaps the Left is to blame more for the Trump victory than the Right; given, the awful opponent they trotted out. 

[GMDino]

We can't get into who is right and wrong...we just have to ignore everything the POTUS says on national television so that people don't think he is wrong.

"I'm not going to get into who is right and who is wrong" -- FDA Director Stephen Hahn refuses to acknowledge that Trump's false claims about coronavirus are false pic.twitter.com/PpbyAztefh

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 5, 2020

 

[hollodero]

(07-05-2020, 11:30 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Nope, we as America elected Trump. Now who voted for him is a different story. Perhaps the Left is to blame more for the Trump victory than the Right; given, the awful opponent they trotted out. 

That imho takes it too far. Those who elected Trump are responsible for Trump getting elected.

[*bfine32*]

(07-05-2020, 11:37 AM)hollodero Wrote: That imho takes it too far. Those who elected Trump are responsible for Trump getting elected.

Nah, it's the entire cycle and all of America. I can make the case that those who voted for Gary Johnson were responsible for getting Trump elected. 

[GMDino]

So back to Trump's "handling" of the Coronavirus.

https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses

Timeline of Trump’s Coronavirus Responses

June 12, 2020

May 2018
The Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.


July 2019
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left her post, and the Administration decided to eliminate the role.


October 2019
“Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.” [Crimson Contagion exercise findings]


January 22
“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”


January 24
Trump praises China’s handling of the coronavirus: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
January 30
"The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on US soil,...This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.” [Memo from Trump Trade Advisor Peter Navarro]
February 2
“We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 10
“I think the virus is going to be—it’s going to be fine.”
February 10
“Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
February 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25
“CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25
“I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26
“The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26
“We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 26
“Well, we're testing everybody that we need to test. And we're finding very little problem. Very little problem.”
February 26
"This is a flu. This is like a flu."
February 27
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28
“We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2
“You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2
“A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4
“Now, and this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. Because a lot people will have this and it's very mild.”
March 4
“If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5
“I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5
“The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6
“I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6
“You have to be calm. It’ll go away.”
March 6
“Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6
“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6
“I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 7
“When we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
March 7
“No, I’m not concerned at all.
March 8
“We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9
During a news conference, White House officials say the U.S. will have tested one million people that week and thereafter would complete 4 million tests per week. By the end of the week, the CDC had only completed a paltry 4,000 tests.
March 9
“This blindsided the world.”
March 10
“Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 11
“It goes away….It’s going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths.”
March 12
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, tells Congress that the country does not have sufficient testing. “The system is not really geared to what we need right now,” he said. “That is a failing. Let’s admit it.”
March 12
"You know, you see what's going on. And so I just wanted that to stop as it pertains to the United States. And that's what we've done. We've stopped it."
March 13
“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
March 13
The Atlantic reported that less than 14,000 tests had been done in the ten weeks since the administration had first been notified of the virus, though Mike Pence had promised the week prior that 1.5 million tests would be available by this time.
March 14
“I’d rate it a ten,” [Trump’s rating of his coronavirus response]
March 15
“Relax”
March 15
“This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”
March 16
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment-try getting it yourselves,”
March 17
“The only thing we haven’t done well is get good press.”
March 17
“I felt like it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
March 20
“I say that you're a terrible reporter, that's what I say. I think it's a very nasty question, and I think it's a very bad signal that you're putting out to the American people." [Response to reporter’s question: "What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?"]
March 22
“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF.”
March 24  
“I'm also hopeful to have Americans working again by that Easter - that beautiful Easter day.”
March 24
“We’ve never closed down the country for the flu,” Trump said. “So you say to yourself, what is this all about?”
March 24
“They have to treat us well, also. They can’t say, ‘Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that.’”
March 25
“The faster we go back, the better it’s going to be.”
March 26
“Congratulations AMERICA!” [On Senate passage of third relief bill]
March 26
“I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
March 26
“We’ve had a big problem with the young, a woman governor from — you know who I’m talking about — from Michigan,”
March 27
“I love Michigan, one of the reasons we are doing such a GREAT job for them during this horrible Pandemic. Yet your Governor, Gretchen “Half” Whitmer is way in over her head, she doesn’t have a clue. Likes blaming everyone for her own ineptitude!”
March 27
“Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him…”
March 27
“I want them to be appreciative. We've done a great job.”
March 27
“We’re doing a great job for the state of Washington and I think the Governor...he’s constantly chirping and I guess complaining would be a nice way of saying it.”
March 29
“Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000?”
March 29
“Unfortunately the enemy is death. It's death. A lot of people are dying. So it's very unpleasant.”
March 30
"Stay calm, it will go away. You know it -- you know it is going away, and it will go away, and we're going to have a great victory."
March 30
“I think New York should be fine, based on the numbers that we see, they should have more than enough. I mean, I’m hearing stories that they’re not used or they’re not used right.”
March 30
“I haven’t heard about testing in weeks. We’re testing more than any other nation in the world. We’ve got these great tests...But I haven’t heard about testing being a problem.”
March 30
“We inherited a broken test — the whole thing was broken.”
March 31
“...it’s not the flu. It’s vicious.”
April 1
“They have to treat us well, also. They can’t say, ‘Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that.’”
April 2
“Massive amounts of medical supplies... are being delivered directly to states...Some have insatiable appetites & are never satisfied (politics?). The complainers should have been stocked up and ready long before this crisis hit.”
April 2
“...the Federal Government is merely a back-up for state governments.”
April 3
“I’m feeling good. I just don’t want to be doing -- somehow sitting in the Oval Office behind that beautiful resolute desk, the great resolute desk, I think wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, I don’t know, somehow I don’t see it for myself. I just don’t. Maybe I’ll change my mind.”
April 5
“FEMA, the military — what they’ve done is a miracle...And you should be thanking them for what they’ve done, not always asking wise-guy questions.”
April 6
“LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!”


April 6
U.S. death toll passes 10,000


April 7
"So, you know, things are happening. It's a -- it's -- I haven't seen bad. I've not seen bad."
April 7
"You are not going to die from this pill...I really think it's a great thing to try."
April 7
“That was a flu. OK. So you could say that I said it was a flu, or you could say the flu is nothing to -- sneeze at," [Regarding Spanish Flu]
April 8
"I read about it maybe a day, two days ago,...It was a recommendation that he had, I think he told certain people on the staff, but it didn't matter. I didn't see it." [Regarding Peter Navarro’s January warning]
April 9
“I couldn’t have done it any better,” [When asked if his coronavirus response could have been better]


April 11
U.S. death toll passes 20,000


April 13
“But I guess I'm doing OK, because, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the President of the United States, despite the things that are said."
April 14
“Enough!” [When a reporter questioned his claim that his authority as president is “total”]
April 14
“[w]hen somebody’s the president of the United States, the authority is total.”


April 15
U.S. death toll passes 30,000


April 15
As Trump focuses on reopening, a leaked CDC and FEMA report warns of “significant risk of resurgence of the virus” with phased reopening.
April 19
 “Now we’re going toward 50, I’m hearing, or 60,000 people [dead from the coronavirus]”
April 22
“If [coronavirus] comes back though, it won’t be coming back in the form that it was, it will be coming back in smaller doses that we can contain….it’s also possible it doesn’t come back at all.”
April 23
"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
April 23
“So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way…”
April 23
“You see states are starting to open up now, and it’s very exciting to see,”


April 23
26 million jobless claims


April 24
U.S. death toll passes 50,000


April 26
“The people that know me and know the history of our Country say that I am the hardest working President in history.”
April 27
"I can't imagine why," [Regarding influx in poison control calls about disinfectant]
April 29
“It’s gonna go away, this is going to go away.”
May 3
“Look, we're going to lose anywhere from 75,000, 80,000 to 100,000 people,”


May 5
U.S. death toll passes 70,000


May 5
Consumer debt hits an all-time high


May 5
“Well run States should not be bailing out poorly run States, using CoronaVirus as the excuse!”
May 5
“I always felt 60, 65, 70, as horrible as that is. I mean, you’re talking about filling up Yankee Stadium with death! So I thought it was horrible. But it’s probably going to be somewhat higher than that,”
May 5
“There’ll be more death, that the virus will pass, with or without a vaccine. And I think we’re doing very well on the vaccines but, with or without a vaccine, it’s going to pass, and we’re going to be back to normal,”
May 5
“I don’t want to be Mr. Gloom-and-Doom. It’s a very bad subject,...I’m not looking to tell the American people when nobody really knows what’s happening yet, ‘Oh, this is going to be so tragic.’”
May 6
Brookings reports that children were “experiencing food insecurity to an extent unprecedented in modern times” and “40.9 percent of mothers with children ages 12 and under reported household food insecurity since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.” Republicans block proposals to expand food stamps.
May 6
“Sporadic for you, but not sporadic for a lot of other people.” [In response to a nurse telling him that equipment supply has been “sporadic”]


May 7
33 million jobless claims


May 8
“This is going to go away without a vaccine. It is going to go away.  We are not going to see it again.”
May 9
“This is going to go away without a vaccine.”
May 11
“Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere. Big progress being made!”
May 11
“We have met the moment and we have prevailed,”
May 14
“Could be that testing’s, frankly, overrated. Maybe it is overrated.”
May 14
“Don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world. But why? Because we do more testing,”
May 15
“Vaccine or no vaccine, we’re back. And we’re starting the process. In many cases, they don’t have vaccines and a virus or a flu comes and you fight through it.
May 16
“We’ve done a GREAT job on Covid response, making all Governors look good, some fantastic (and that’s OK), but the Lamestream Media doesn’t want to go with that narrative, and the Do Nothing Dems talking point is to say only bad about “Trump”. I made everybody look good, but me!”


May 18
U.S. death toll passes 90,000


May 19
“When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing, I look at that as, in a certain respect, as being a good thing,...Because it means our testing is much better. I view it as a badge of honor, really, it's a badge of honor.”
May 21
USA Today reports that mortgage delinquencies surged by 1.6 million in April, the largest single-month jump in history.


May 22
38 million jobless claims


May 27
U.S. death toll passes 100,000


May 29
“We will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization”


June 6
U.S death toll passes 110,000


June 6
“Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that’s happening for our country...This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.”
June 15
“At some point this stuff goes away and it’s going away.”
June 17
“It’s fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
June 18
“And it is dying out. The numbers are starting to get very good.”
June 20
"Testing is a double-edged sword,...When you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people, you're going to find more cases, so I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down, please.'"

June 22
U.S death toll passes 120,000


June 23
“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!”
June 23
"It's going away,"       
June 25
“The number of ChinaVirus cases goes up, because of GREAT TESTING, while the number of deaths (mortality rate), goes way down. The Fake News doesn’t like telling you that!”
June 25
“Coronavirus deaths are way down. Mortality rate is one of the lowest in the World. Our Economy is roaring back and will NOT be shut down. “Embers” or flare ups will be put out, as necessary!”
June 30
U.S. has just 4% of the global population, but 25% of global coronavirus cases and the second highest death rate per capita.
July 1
“I think we’re going to be very good with the coronavirus.” “I think that, at some point, that’s going to sort of disappear, I hope.”


Issues: 
Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[GMDino]

For fairness The Trump/Pence  campaign page has a timeline too.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

Mostly about meetings and notifications and economic acts.

It ends April 24th.

[hollodero]

(07-05-2020, 11:41 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Nah, it's the entire cycle and all of America. I can make the case that those who voted for Gary Johnson were responsible for getting Trump elected. 

Or those that voted for McMullin ar anyone else not named Hillary. But I can not quite see it that way.

Whoever went into the voting booth and voted for Trump does not get to blame the DNC for that choice. Everyone else, that might be a different issue, I agree Hillary was not a good candidate and a better one might have won. But that doesn't go as far as to claim "the left" deserves more blame for president Trump than the party that nominated Trump in the first place.

[*bfine32*]

(07-05-2020, 11:50 AM)hollodero Wrote: Or those that voted for McMullin ar anyone else not named Hillary. But I can not quite see it that way.

Whoever went into the voting booth and voted for Trump does not get to blame the DNC for that choice. Everyone else, that might be a different issue, I agree Hillary was not a good candidate and a better one might have won. But that doesn't go as far as to claim "the left" deserves more blame for president Trump than the party that nominated Trump in the first place.

It's a small matter and not one worth debating. The ironic thing is we started this back and forth because you had my back. I just look to unite instead of divide. We're all in this together. 

[BmorePat87]

(07-05-2020, 11:50 AM)hollodero Wrote: But that doesn't go as far as to claim "the left" deserves more blame for president Trump than the party that nominated Trump in the first place.

the party that also continues to normalize his toxic behavior. 

[Belsnickel]

So there has been a lot of discussion about things that have changed over the course of time. First, no focus on masks, and now that is the big thing. A lot of people use this to attack the scientific community to say they don't know what's going on. The thing is, this is how science works. Things change based on new information. Usually, we don't see it play out like this. The scientific process plays out behind the scenes and we see the end results. But because this is all new and happening in real time, it looks messy. Science is messy. What we know, now, though, is that social distancing is the best thing to do (safer at home and all that), masks are in second, and handwashing is third. These three things will prevent the spread of the virus.

The logistical problems we are facing are testing shortages where we don't have the time or resources to test everyone who needs it or to do the contact tracing for those that test positive. This has been an issue from the start. We are also still awaiting vaccines, but there is a lot of headway on that. I did hear, though, that the first one expected to come out will have a cost of roughly $3000, even though their R&D was essentially paid for by the US government to the tune of $70 million. Not sure what that's about.

Anyway, but some random thoughts on all this from me, this morning.

[GMDino]

(07-05-2020, 11:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So there has been a lot of discussion about things that have changed over the course of time. First, no focus on masks, and now that is the big thing. A lot of people use this to attack the scientific community to say they don't know what's going on. The thing is, this is how science works. Things change based on new information. Usually, we don't see it play out like this. The scientific process plays out behind the scenes and we see the end results. But because this is all new and happening in real time, it looks messy. Science is messy. What we know, now, though, is that social distancing is the best thing to do (safer at home and all that), masks are in second, and handwashing is third. These three things will prevent the spread of the virus.

The logistical problems we are facing are testing shortages where we don't have the time or resources to test everyone who needs it or to do the contact tracing for those that test positive. This has been an issue from the start. We are also still awaiting vaccines, but there is a lot of headway on that. I did hear, though, that the first one expected to come out will have a cost of roughly $3000, even though their R&D was essentially paid for by the US government to the tune of $70 million. Not sure what that's about.

Anyway, but some random thoughts on all this from me, this morning.

Well you can't expect a potentially life saving vaccine to get GIVEN away Matt.  Profit baby.  Greed is good!

As to the rest I have said over and over it is hard to understand history as you are living in it during real time.  In the future we will look back and see what went right and wrong much more clearly, but the lack of public understanding about why recommendations change or why new information leads to new suggestions is mind numbingly painful to watch.

[GMDino]

I, for one, have said rising positive cases is not necessarily bad.  If people are recovering from them and hospitalizations and deaths do not start to rise or spike.

And for the most part locally that is what we have seen so far.

Other areas, not so much.

There's this weird line that keeps getting repeated about Fla that "cases are rising, but deaths and hospitalizations are falling." Its not true. Here are the weekly numbers thru yesterday. We've set records for new hospitalizations 2 weeks in a row. Deaths are also rising. pic.twitter.com/HDbTcoUkgD

— R.J. Lehmann (@raylehmann) July 5, 2020

 

[Dill]

(07-05-2020, 09:29 AM)hollodero Wrote: So I suggest to make one more list of perceived Trump covid failures, and bfine or whoever can point out which of the critizism is non-factual, unfair and overblown.

I am happy that your post and Dino's timeline will be archived for future reference

Trump disinformation/malfeasance has reached the level it probably needs to be catalogued and stored in separate wings of the MB library.

We could compile a similar list of errors, lies, and scandals under headings like "foreign policy," "healthcare," "women," and "race relations," each of which cannot be adequately collected in a single paragraph or even a long post.

With regard to your list and accompanying questions, what we really need to see now is not how some items you listed are false or unfair, but examples of ungrounded "Leftist" efforts to blame Trump for the Pandemic, the kind of thing clearly caused by "hate" and not by what Trump actually does.
The kind of criticism that is not really about the pandemic.

That would go a long ways toward establishing that "Trump hate" is a real driver of Trump commentary, and not simply obfuscation of his and his party's responsibility for unfolding disaster.

[Millhouse]

(07-05-2020, 11:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So there has been a lot of discussion about things that have changed over the course of time. First, no focus on masks, and now that is the big thing. A lot of people use this to attack the scientific community to say they don't know what's going on. The thing is, this is how science works. Things change based on new information. Usually, we don't see it play out like this. The scientific process plays out behind the scenes and we see the end results. But because this is all new and happening in real time, it looks messy. Science is messy. What we know, now, though, is that social distancing is the best thing to do (safer at home and all that), masks are in second, and handwashing is third. These three things will prevent the spread of the virus.

The logistical problems we are facing are testing shortages where we don't have the time or resources to test everyone who needs it or to do the contact tracing for those that test positive. This has been an issue from the start. We are also still awaiting vaccines, but there is a lot of headway on that. I did hear, though, that the first one expected to come out will have a cost of roughly $3000, even though their R&D was essentially paid for by the US government to the tune of $70 million. Not sure what that's about.

Anyway, but some random thoughts on all this from me, this morning.

Hopefully institutions like the WHO and our own CDC will learn from their mistakes in handling the next pandemic which will happen eventually. This in turn will be beneficial to advising governments on what what strategies to take. Goverments that also equally should learn from mistakes and successes as well.

As to the bolded, logistical problems are definitely real for this. But as we have seen in one of the largest cities in the world, NYC, their Mayor Deblasio ordered that those that test positive shoulld not be asked if they were part of the protests. Which is just wrong to do as it does nothing to help the science end of it all but promote a political agenda instead.