Does Bernie Know Dems Need A Miracle?

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 08:13 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I think it's quite possible the dems are behind the Russian interference.

You think that based on what?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-25-2020, 08:13 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Fair questions, but it was a response out of frustration. Do I think the Russians have been interfering? I don't know, I suspect they could be. They've already come at Trump with this, and now Bernie as well. I think it's quite possible the dems are behind the Russian interference. Regardless of the goals of the party, it doesn't mean some individuals are not capable.

One good thing Bernie has over Trump is his ability to not give accusations much weight and moves on. Trump get's pissed off and has to try and defend himself on Twitter. I wish he wouldn't do that because the more attention he gives the continuous assaults on his presidency, the more he get's distracted from doing what he's there to do. 

The democrats are behind the Russian hacking of the DNC who screwed Bernie over to get Bernie elected?

Not buying that.

[HarleyDog]

(02-25-2020, 08:16 PM)hollodero Wrote: You think that based on what?

Just a hunch. Gut feeling. No facts.

(02-25-2020, 08:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The democrats are behind the Russian hacking of the DNC who screwed Bernie over to get Bernie elected?

Not buying that.

You saying the dems didn't screw Bernie over 4 yrs ago? What would prevent them from shenanigans this time? I don't think they would intend to get Bernie elected, but their schemes tend to backfire.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-25-2020, 08:25 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Just a hunch. Gut feeling. No facts.


You saying the dems didn't screw Bernie over 4 yrs ago? What would prevent them from shenanigans this time? I don't think they would intend to get Bernie elected, but their schemes tend to backfire.

I’m saying the DNC screwed Sanders. They can’t try to not get him elected and try to get him elected with Russian help simultaneously.

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 08:25 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Just a hunch. Gut feeling. No facts.

that was honest.
Sure enough, for me it looks like your prejudice against dems causes that gut feeling. A conclusion that does not seem far fetched.

[HarleyDog]

(02-25-2020, 08:34 PM)hollodero Wrote: that was honest.
Sure enough, for me it looks like your prejudice against dems causes that gut feeling. A conclusion that does not seem far fetched.

Distrust would be the proper word. But nice try. Sounds like something Schiff would say.

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 08:40 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Distrust would be the proper word. But nice try. Sounds like something Schiff would say.

 alright then.

Just for a thought, distrust to me seems like a form of prejudice. Maybe Schiff would agree.

[HarleyDog]

(02-25-2020, 08:47 PM)hollodero Wrote:  alright then.

Just for a thought, distrust to me seems like a form of prejudice. Maybe Schiff would agree.

 Dude. 

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 09:03 PM)HarleyDog Wrote:  Dude. 

Yeah well... I have a hunch that Trump is behind the Kennedy assassination. No facts. Just distrust. But don't call it prejudice - that is something McConnell would say.

[*jason*]

(02-25-2020, 09:07 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah well... I have a hunch that Trump is behind the Kennedy assassination. No facts. Just distrust. But don't call it prejudice - that is something McConnell would say.

You're thinking of Ted Cruz. Or was it his dad?

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 09:12 PM)jason Wrote: You're thinking of Ted Cruz. Or was it his dad?

This was just Trump deflecting from his own involvement. Is my hunch.

[BFritz21]

(02-25-2020, 07:00 PM)hollodero Wrote: In all fairness, the socialism you have in mind is not the socialism Sanders is talking about.

He's argueing for a social democratic system like in European countries. Not for socialism like in the communist countries.

PLEASE do some research before you vote for Bernie and doom us all:

Quote:To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

(02-25-2020, 08:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Since you have made a distinction between social programs and socialism, can you explain to me how the social programs Bernie Sanders has suggested are socialism and not social programs like you benefit from?

Do you really need a gun to protect yourself from universal healthcare?

How would that work?  You go to the ER. They don’t charge you for the visit. You pull your gun and scream, “F U, you socialist bastids! TAKE MY GOD DAMN ‘MERICAN MONEY!!!!!!! TAKE MY MONEY NOWWWWWWW!”

Is that the type of hell you’re talking about?

Ha.  Take it out of context to act like I need a gun in a hospital.  Typical socialist move.

As far as the first comment, I think you, also, like the hollodero, need to do some research on what socialism actually is.  

Name a new program that Bernie wants and I'll be happy to explain how it's socialism and not just a social program.  

By the way, even it a social program that I benefit from is a form of socialism, that's a HORRIBLE example of why socialism is good considering I don't work because I can't, but you're saying that everyone should get the same benefits as me if they choose not to work.  And my benefits aren't even that great: the healthcare I get isn't that extensive, meaning if everyone were to be on the tab it would be even worse for everyone. 

[Vas Deferens]

Brad. I cannot believe you are a not better person than you are portraying right now. Quite frankly it’s despicable.

The next poor person who finds themselves in a similar situation as yours, (poorer than your parents were, without access to health insurance like you were), should be treated with less regard for their long term health than you were?

Please think about your response in the context of the kids you speak to on a regular basis.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-25-2020, 11:13 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: PLEASE do some research before you vote for Bernie and doom us all:



Ha.  Take it out of context to act like I need a gun in a hospital.  Typical socialist move.

I don’t understand why you believe you need a gun for the hell that is socialism so it’s difficult to take it out of context.

I’m not a socialist and for the record I don’t believe Sanders is electable in a general election because people react like you have. You think you need to buy a gun because Sanders proposes social programs and you confuse those with socialism while lecturing others to research the difference when it is obvious you, yourself, don’t understand the difference.

Quote:As far as the first comment, I think you, also, like the hollodero, need to do some research on what socialism actually is.  

I would prefer you to explain it. Because I’m interested in what you believe is the difference.

Quote:Name a new program that Bernie wants and I'll be happy to explain how it's socialism and not just a social program.  

Medicare for all.

Quote:By the way, even it a social program that I benefit from is a form of socialism, that's a HORRIBLE example of why socialism is good considering I don't work because I can't, but you're saying that everyone should get the same benefits as me if they choose not to work.  

I think disabled people who can’t work should have a safety net if we are going to call ourselves the greatest country in the history of the world. I expect us to live up to our own hype and not just empty platitudes.

That doesn’t mean I think everyone should get the same benefits as you. And I don’t believe everyone should get the same benefits as you if they have the ability to work, but choose not to work.

But, you’re right about one thing. It is a horrible example of socialism because as you have already pointed out; that is an example of a social program, not socialism. And, yet, even after telling me it is a social program you do a 180 and claim it is a horrible example of socialism.

Quote:And my benefits aren't even that great:

Writes the guy with benefits. Do you think you should get the same benefits as someone who works full time and pays for them? What are you, a socialist?

This is always the complaint of people who get benefits; they aren’t good enough.

Quote:the healthcare I get isn't that extensive, meaning if everyone were to be on the tab it would be even worse for everyone. 

And this is their other complaint. After bitching about how shitty their benefits are they complain about not wanting others to get the same benefits and F up their benefits. Which indicates to me you recognize the value of your benefits despite bitching about how shitty they are.

[hollodero]

(02-25-2020, 11:13 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: PLEASE do some research before you vote for Bernie and doom us all:

My point still stands. This article rather underlines that the author does not quite get the difference between a socialist and a social democrat. Again and again, the point made is "that's not socialism!", and this is exactly said misconception. It maybe is not, but it perfectly aligns with social democracy. The Nordic countries are shaped by social democrat's ideas. They come with all kinds of freedoms.
Your idea of Bernie socialism is not what Bernie has in mind. He has Denmark in mind. And his ideas largely fit that model.

Be assured, I won't vote for Sanders. For I live in one of those countries like the nordic countries that are shaped by social democracy, where Sanders wouldn't be a radical guy at all. And it sure is not a doomed hellhole. Life is good here.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-26-2020, 12:25 AM)hollodero Wrote: My point still stands. This article rather underlines that the author does not quite get the difference between a socialist and a social democrat. Again and again, the point made is "that's not socialism!", and this is exactly said misconception. It maybe is not, but it perfectly aligns with social democracy. The Nordic countries are shaped by social democrat's ideas. They come with all kinds of freedoms.
Your idea of Bernie socialism is not what Bernie has in mind. He has Denmark in mind. And his ideas largely fit that model.

Be assured, I won't vote for Sanders. For I live in one of those countries like the nordic countries that are shaped by social democracy, where Sanders wouldn't be a radical guy at all. And it sure is not a doomed hellhole. Life is good here.

I think he missed the part where the author stated the Nordic states are a combination of capitalism and social welfare programs; not socialism.

But, hey, he needs a gun for the coming he’ll of socialism.

[NATI BENGALS]

I’m just glad Bernie is going to ban all guns so I don’t have to worry about crazy ass Brad pulling a gun on me while I stand in the bread line.

[Benton]

This thread pretty well sums up the country right now.

Socialism is bad, and thank God I have a gun to protect me from it

What about all the socialism we already have?

We don't have any!

Hundreds of billions subsidizing healthcare, student aide, low wages --

No, no. I mean that socialism I don't benefit from.

[NATI BENGALS]

We have a military, roads, schools, first responders, medicare/medicaid, social security, oversight of medications and our food supply, and stuff like public parks thanks to socialism.


I haven't seen where Bernie is going to implement full blown socialism. Please show me why I have to worry about it.

I know all of the things I just listed above I support 100%.

I also know our health care system is broke as hell. Not as broke as before OBAMACARE where people couldn't even buy insurance. It would be nice to see how it would have played out had republicans not knee capped it but oh well. It is better than anything the right has done for me.

[NATI BENGALS]

The best thing Trump probably has done is bail out the farmers. It's like shooting yourself in the foot with a shotgun and bragging about putting a tourniquet on it. But that is where we are right now.


That was a government hand out. The collective whole of the people paying up to bail out our country's food supply system because our prez is a dumbass. Some would consider that socialism.