Does Bernie Know Dems Need A Miracle?

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-25-2020, 11:13 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: PLEASE do some research before you vote for Bernie and doom us all:



Ha.  Take it out of context to act like I need a gun in a hospital.  Typical socialist move.

As far as the first comment, I think you, also, like the hollodero, need to do some research on what socialism actually is.  

Name a new program that Bernie wants and I'll be happy to explain how it's socialism and not just a social program.  

By the way, even it a social program that I benefit from is a form of socialism, that's a HORRIBLE example of why socialism is good considering I don't work because I can't, but you're saying that everyone should get the same benefits as me if they choose not to work.  And my benefits aren't even that great: the healthcare I get isn't that extensive, meaning if everyone were to be on the tab it would be even worse for everyone. 

Do some reasearch on what ? For Hollodero and me, healthcare and free education are just everyday's life of every western european country.

Are we more bankrupt than the USA ? Surely not. 

Life is good there.

Other funny facts ?

We only need one job. We work 35 hours a week, have 5 weeks of paid vacation and even if you lose your job, the national community helps you during 2 years with 53% of your former income ...

Hell on Earth ...

[*jason*]

(02-26-2020, 02:08 PM)Dill Wrote: I know you have a good knowledge of weapons, Breech.  What kind of gun would be good for use on SOCIALISTS?

I am afraid that once they get in power, I'll no longer be able to get one. So I need to stock up now.

Perhaps an assault rifle easily convertible to automatic? 
A hand gun to complement, plus one for my wife--what should I be looking at?

I'm thinking stopping power is not a big issue since most socialists are wimps and will quit if even slightly wounded.
Maybe high rate of fire? BIG guns, scary looking?

I've heard that the NRA sells scopes that can tell a Social Democrat from a Democratic Socialist. They have night vision too.
Is that true and if so how can I get one?

I'd personally recommend a shotgun for the Mrs. It's got a good spread.

[CJD]

(02-26-2020, 04:17 PM)jason Wrote: I'd personally recommend a shotgun for the Mrs.  It's got a good spread.

But I just want to shoot the guy. I don't want to have to do a bunch of drywall work afterwards...

EDIT: This is a Bill Burr joke. I'm not this clever.

[Dill]

(02-26-2020, 04:08 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Do some reasearch on what ? For Hollodero and me, healthcare and free education are just everyday's life of every western european country.

Are we more bankrupt than the USA ? Surely not. 

Life is good there.

Other funny facts ?

We only need one job. We work 35 hours a week, have 5 weeks of paid vacation and even if you lose your job, the national community helps you during 2 years with 53% of your former income ...

Hell on Earth ...

Speaking frankly (no pun intended), I would LOVE to live in France. Paris was my favorite all time city when I lived in Europe.

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-26-2020, 06:14 PM)Dill Wrote: Speaking frankly (no pun intended), I would LOVE to live in France. Paris was my favorite all time city when I lived in Europe.

You are welcome ! The hard time will be to learn french

[Dill]

(02-26-2020, 04:17 PM)jason Wrote: I'd personally recommend a shotgun for the Mrs.  It's got a good spread.

She's only 5' tall. Might be too much of a wallop for her.

I'm game though.  With this DP 12 I could get TWO socialists per pump.

[Dill]

(02-26-2020, 06:18 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: You are welcome ! The hard time will be to learn french

Pas de problem. Je l' étudie à l'university.  La plus belle langue du monde!

(Mais, Il faudrait que je l’ étudie à nouveau. J'en ai très certainement oublié beaucoup!)

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-26-2020, 06:40 PM)Dill Wrote: Pas de problem. Je l' étudie à l'university.  La plus belle langue du monde!

(Mais, Il faudrait que je l’ étudie à nouveau. J'en ai très certainement oublié beaucoup!)

Pas mal du tout !

Félicitations.

[Yojimbo]

(02-26-2020, 06:40 PM)Dill Wrote: Pas de problem. Je l' étudie à l'university.  La plus belle langue du monde!

(Mais, Il faudrait que je l’ étudie à nouveau. J'en ai très certainement oublié beaucoup!)

(02-26-2020, 06:41 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Pas mal du tout !

Félicitations.

Je suis la grenouille.

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-25-2020, 06:38 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Incorrect.  

I benefit from social programs, but that's not socialism.  

Actually, that's far from socialism.  I think you need to look up what socialism is.

You have a problem with investing in this country's farming industry to make us more independent from countries like China?




Once again, social programs are not socialism and you need to do some research to find out what socialism is before you vote in a psycho like Bernie.  

I have considered how my life would be destroyed by socialism and even mentioned on Facebook how I need to start training to get a gun license in case our country goes to socialism and the hell that comes with it.  

Social programs are indeed socialism.

Who do you think is paying for you ? Taxpayers of course. 

[Dill]

(02-26-2020, 06:54 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Je suis la grenouille.

C'est vrais!

[BFritz21]

(02-25-2020, 11:40 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Brad.  I cannot believe you are a not better person than you are portraying right now.  Quite frankly it’s despicable.  

The next poor person who finds themselves in a similar situation as yours, (poorer than your parents were, without access to health insurance like you were), should be treated with less regard for their long term health than you were?

Please think about your response in the context of the kids you speak to on a regular basis.

Government (and non-government) programs help families like mine, which I know because I still benefit from them.  That's different from just giving out benefits to people who just don't want to work or are just too lazy to do anything.  I've also been on committees and boards to help people like me and families like mine, which, again, is different from people getting benefits just because they don't want to do anything in life.

(02-26-2020, 11:07 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: If that's your stance, then you should be fully behind Bernie. Because he is for "social programs" as you call it, not socialism, as you want to define it.

Then why has he supported socialist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba, and the Soviet Union?  

Social programs that help the needy are different from social programs that control everything and full government intervention because those countries fail.

Bernie points to countries like Sweden as examples of socialism success, but the problem there is that, as this video points out, Sweden and other European nations AREN'T socialist.  

(02-26-2020, 11:12 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Am I crazy, or did that article just prove that Sanders isn't a socialist by saying that the system Bernie wants to model America after, Nordic countries, are not, in fact, socialist at all.

Seems like an endorsement for Bernie, if you ask me. That article should have calmed Brad down, not incensed his fears of socialism.

Bernie thinks they are and proves that by calling them socialist countries because he has no clue what he's talking about.

(02-26-2020, 01:12 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Brad is the king of confirmation bias.  Once he’s set his mind a certain way, he refuses to let new information change it.  Even hearing positive things from someone who lives in a country where they’ve implemented what Bernie is promoting, as hollodero has done here, will not likely be enough to change his mind from thinking that Bernie is the next coming of Josef Stalin.  

Once again, Bernie has no clue what he's talking about because those aren't socialist countries. 

What made America great, even from the start, was people trying to work harder and produce new ideas and new things to get ahead in life.  That's the American dream.  Why would people have any motivation to better themselves and move forward if they won't see a reward and people who do nothing get just as much as people who try to improve their lives?

(02-26-2020, 04:08 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Do some reasearch on what ? For Hollodero and me, healthcare and free education are just everyday's life of every western european country.

Are we more bankrupt than the USA ? Surely not. 

Life is good there.

Other funny facts ?

We only need one job. We work 35 hours a week, have 5 weeks of paid vacation and even if you lose your job, the national community helps you during 2 years with 53% of your former income ...

Hell on Earth ...

Europeans tend to think that they're less likely to control their own destiny, and that you can get ahead in life by working hard, which is, like I said, the American dream.   America is based on freedoms, not the government controlling everything.  Americans prioritize individual liberty, whereas European countries want more government control.  

If college were free, then what would be the benefits of working hard in high school to get into a good college and what would prevent students from just becoming professional students?  

The United States is also MUCH more unhealthy than Europe, making healthcare not as big of an expense.   

[hollodero]

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Sweden and other European nations AREN'T socialist.

And neither is Bernie. Could you just stop a little and take this information in?
Bernie is a social democrat, and this is the ideology that shapes Sweden et al.

- He uses the terminology in a sloppy way, that much is true. He might say "socialism" when actually talking "social democracy" - as is clear when he points to Denmark as a role model, which is not a "socialist", but a "social democratic" country. Also, that's all there is to all that.

Please please please before you take a shot at me again just consider this information.

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: If college were free, then what would be the benefits of working hard in high school to get into a good college and what would prevent students from just becoming professional students?  

That college is tuition-free does not mean that everyone can go to any college (or university) to study anything. There might be requirements, like good grades in the lower schools. Or a test. Depending where and what you want to study.
Also, I don't know how other countries do it, but we don't keep universities tuition-free forever. You have to work towards your degree with reasonable speed. There are requirements to be met in that regard.

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: The United States is also MUCH more unhealthy than Europe, making healthcare not as big of an expense.   

that is a sad state of affairs.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(02-26-2020, 04:08 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Do some reasearch on what ? For Hollodero and me, healthcare and free education are just everyday's life of every western european country.

Are we more bankrupt than the USA ? Surely not. 

Life is good there.

Other funny facts ?

We only need one job. We work 35 hours a week, have 5 weeks of paid vacation and even if you lose your job, the national community helps you during 2 years with 53% of your former income ...

Hell on Earth ...

Hey while I'm all for Free Education and Healthcare for all, but in Hollerdo's case (not sure which country your from) they only spend 0.7% of their GDP on their military.  Could you imagine how many programs we could have if our military expenditure went from 3.2% to 0.7%, that's what $625B, and would give us about 490B to spend on those programs?

So what are we waiting for?

[Benton]

(02-26-2020, 07:57 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Hey while I'm all for Free Education and Healthcare for all, but in Hollerdo's case (not sure which country your from) they only spend 0.7% of their GDP on their military.  Could you imagine how many programs we could have if our military expenditure went from 3.2% to 0.7%, that's what $625B, and would give us about 490B to spend on those programs?

So what are we waiting for?

Someone not a democrat or republican to get elected. 

[CJD]

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Then why has he supported socialist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba, and the Soviet Union?  

He hasn't supported socialist countries. He has said positive things about them in the past. You can say "This regime is terrible, but they did promote literacy for its citizens, which is a good thing." I'm not sure why you think that's controversial. 

Quote:Social programs that help the needy are different from social programs that control everything and full government intervention because those countries fail.

Tell me about it. I can't stand the fact that our government has total control of policing in this country. They do the same with fire fighting and public road building and maintenance. It's really quite absurd if you ask me. If the government keeps intervening in these social programs, we are bound to collapse in on ourselves.

And don't even get me started on how much the government intervenes on my attempts to rob and murder people. It really makes me sick.

Like, what are governments even for? Definitely not to help and protect its citizens. That shit should be left to the free market. If you can't afford to protect yourself, then you deserve to die on the street, in my opinion.

/s

Quote:Bernie thinks they are and proves that by calling them socialist countries because he has no clue what he's talking about.
Once again, Bernie has no clue what he's talking about because those aren't socialist countries. 

So you agree that Bernie isn't a socialist and he is conflating democratic socialism and social democracy? Awesome! We got you there. I'm proud of your willingness to change your mind, Brad. I wish Bernie would appropriately label himself and his platform as a social democrat as well. 

Unfortunately, if he changed his self label now, the MSM would just accuse him of backpedaling to avoid the stigma of Socialism. So he's in quite a pickle. But I'm glad that you've admitted freely that he is not, in fact, a socialist. And neither are the countries he wants to model our healthcare off of.

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-26-2020, 07:57 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Hey while I'm all for Free Education and Healthcare for all, but in Hollerdo's case (not sure which country your from) they only spend 0.7% of their GDP on their military.  Could you imagine how many programs we could have if our military expenditure went from 3.2% to 0.7%, that's what $625B, and would give us about 490B to spend on those programs?

So what are we waiting for?

We spend 2%.

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Government (and non-government) programs help families like mine, which I know because I still benefit from them.  That's different from just giving out benefits to people who just don't want to work or are just too lazy to do anything.  I've also been on committees and boards to help people like me and families like mine, which, again, is different from people getting benefits just because they don't want to do anything in life.




Then why has he supported socialist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba, and the Soviet Union?  

Social programs that help the needy are different from social programs that control everything and full government intervention because those countries fail.

Bernie points to countries like Sweden as examples of socialism success, but the problem there is that, as this video points out, Sweden and other European nations AREN'T socialist.  

Bernie thinks they are and proves that by calling them socialist countries because he has no clue what he's talking about.
Once again, Bernie has no clue what he's talking about because those aren't socialist countries. 

What made America great, even from the start, was people trying to work harder and produce new ideas and new things to get ahead in life.  That's the American dream.  Why would people have any motivation to better themselves and move forward if they won't see a reward and people who do nothing get just as much as people who try to improve their lives?
Europeans tend to think that they're less likely to control their own destiny, and that you can get ahead in life by working hard, which is, like I said, the American dream.   America is based on freedoms, not the government controlling everything.  Americans prioritize individual liberty, whereas European countries want more government control.  

If college were free, then what would be the benefits of working hard in high school to get into a good college and what would prevent students from just becoming professional students?  

The United States is also MUCH more unhealthy than Europe, making healthcare not as big of an expense.   

In France, you have the best universities and good students choose their university. It's not because it's free that there is no selection.

Plot twist, there are private universities also if you really want to pay.

Who do you think we are ? We have freedom too except maybe buying assault rifles and wear guns ? Obviously we don't need it.

What are the freedom you have and we don't ? 

There is no government control at all. There is just the law like in any democratic republic.

For an european comparaison, Sanders is basically Merkel. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-26-2020, 04:08 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Do some reasearch on what ? For Hollodero and me, healthcare and free education are just everyday's life of every western european country.

Are we more bankrupt than the USA ? Surely not. 

Life is good there.

Other funny facts ?

We only need one job. We work 35 hours a week, have 5 weeks of paid vacation and even if you lose your job, the national community helps you during 2 years with 53% of your former income ...

Hell on Earth ...

They pay you to stay away from work for 5 weeks and you do it?

Oh, the horror. The horror.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-26-2020, 07:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Government (and non-government) programs help families like mine, which I know because I still benefit from them.  That's different from just giving out benefits to people who just don't want to work or are just too lazy to do anything.  I've also been on committees and boards to help people like me and families like mine, which, again, is different from people getting benefits just because they don't want to do anything in life.

Who is suggesting giving free stuff to people who refuse to work?

Quote:Then why has he supported socialist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba, and the Soviet Union?  

Social programs that help the needy are different from social programs that control everything and full government intervention because those countries fail.

Bernie points to countries like Sweden as examples of socialism success, but the problem there is that, as this video points out, Sweden and other European nations AREN'T socialist.  

Bernie thinks they are and proves that by calling them socialist countries because he has no clue what he's talking about.
Once again, Bernie has no clue what he's talking about because those aren't socialist countries. 

Therefore Sanders isn’t a socialist and he isn’t proposing socialism, but rather social programs like you and your family benefit from. Crisis adverted. Now you don’t need a gun, thankfully.

Quote:What made America great, even from the start, was people trying to work harder and produce new ideas and new things to get ahead in life.  That's the American dream.  Why would people have any motivation to better themselves and move forward if they won't see a reward and people who do nothing get just as much as people who try to improve their lives?
Europeans tend to think that they're less likely to control their own destiny, and that you can get ahead in life by working hard, which is, like I said, the American dream.   America is based on freedoms, not the government controlling everything.  Americans prioritize individual liberty, whereas European countries want more government control.  

What motivation does Boeing have to get off the government’s teat if we give them $13 billion in subsidies each year?

Quote:If college were free, then what would be the benefits of working hard in high school to get into a good college

Government funded education doesn’t mean C students get to go to Harvard.

Quote:and what would prevent students from just becoming professional students?  

Um, rules that prevent that very thing. Duh.

Quote:The United States is also MUCH more unhealthy than Europe, making healthcare not as big of an expense.   

Yeah, that’s what happens when people can afford to go to the doctor.

This is probably the best argument for universal healthcare. People go to the doctor. They get healthier. That reduces the overall cost of healthcare to the government.