First Democratic Debate

[Vas Deferens]

(10-14-2015, 01:41 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: MKUltra ?!?!?

He's someone's plant.  

[*michaelsean*]

So the real question is who was offering me the most free stuff?

[Belsnickel]

So a friend of mine on Facebook shared this link. Just something interesting: http://usuncut.com/politics/6-reasons-bernie-sanders-actually-owned-the-debate-despite-what-pundits-claim/

Quote:If we had to decide the winner of last night’s Democratic debate with only the opinions of establishment media pundits, Hillary Clinton won by a landslide. But social media and online polls overwhelmingly chose Bernie Sanders as the winner. So which is true? Is Hillary the inevitable candidate the insider media has been telling us she is since day one, or is the corporate media pushing a pro-Hillary agenda on a pro-Bernie electorate?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-13-2015, 10:52 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Ahhh... perception.
Such an easy out.
Depends on what your definition of "is" is.

That's easy . . . "I'm a politician."

[KingPoster]

I'm still very undecided.

Ms Clinton seems to be the closest to the middle and could most likely work across the aisle. But is she trustworthy?

Sanders is grassroots, but seems like he is about to come unhinged

Webb lost ground, not that he had any. He would be a decent Secretary of Defense IMO

O'Malley is probably the best but doesn't have a prayer

Chaffee had nowhere else to be last night so he came to the debate.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-14-2015, 05:50 PM)KingPoster Wrote: Ms Clinton seems to be the closest to the middle

Wait, what? 

[RoyleRedlegs]

(10-14-2015, 05:03 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So a friend of mine on Facebook shared this link. Just something interesting: http://usuncut.com/politics/6-reasons-bernie-sanders-actually-owned-the-debate-despite-what-pundits-claim/

Well, Sanders wins like Trump wins.
He's passionate and clearly cares. 
He is louder than most candidates.

People like that. Regardless of the points made or rambling he did. 

[KingPoster]

(10-14-2015, 05:54 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Wait, what? 

Well she was the only one that seemed willing to go to war and she wanted students to have to work to get a free education. 

A case could be made for Webb, but he has no shot.

I will admit I am just starting to vet the candidates. 

[*PhilHos*]

(10-14-2015, 06:07 PM)KingPoster Wrote: Well she was the only one that seemed willing to go to war and she wanted students to have to work to get a free education. 

A case could be made for Webb, but he has no shot.

I will admit I am just starting to vet the candidates. 

Well, if you were talking about only during the debate, ok. I didn't watch it so I won't comment on it.

But, if you were speaking of her in general, then absolutely no way. Her record speaks for itself and it's anything but close to the middle.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-14-2015, 04:15 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So the real question is who was offering me the most free stuff?

No. The real question is who is offering the richest people in America the most free stuff? Those are the mature, serious candidates.

[Bengalzona]

[Belsnickel]

Quote:On the Republican side, Americans are seeing, with one glaring exception, a battalion of candidates who look, sound and feel like the same Republican presidential candidates voters have rejected in the past two elections. None are instilling any confidence that government would be smaller, smarter or less costly if they were to be elected than it is today.

And about that exception…the Trump phenomenon. What does it say about the level of discontent that a professional salesman can launch a presidential campaign with a promise to build our very own Great Wall of China and a vague promise to “make America great again” can assemble a coalition of the pissed-off sufficient in size to make him the Republican standard-bearer?

In the other “major” party, the choices are equally alarming. Ms. Clinton, their version of “been there, done that”, is having her own problems claiming the throne she presumes to be rightfully hers. Never mind the unbelievable lack of judgment involved in storing official, sensitive emails in a private server in a bathroom. We’re looking at a “front runner” who, as Secretary of State, presided over a descent into foreign policy chaos that is virtually unmatched in American history.

As with Trump on the Republican side, the Democrats have devolved to the point that the candidate going toe-to-toe with Ms. Clinton, both in the polls and in fundraising, is Bernie Sanders, a self-described Socialist to whom the free market is not just foreign, but evil. His support, which like Trump, is befuddling the establishment, has nothing to do with socialism. He’s just the Democrats’ version of “none of the above” -- and if some of the polls can be believed, he’s winning.

A friend posted this as a quote from Gary Johnson on the current field of candidates. I have no source for the truth of it, just thought it was an interesting take on it all.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-15-2015, 05:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: A friend posted this as a quote from Gary Johnson on the current field of candidates. I have no source for the truth of it, just thought it was an interesting take on it all.

It's like I said before in a different thread, I'm starting to lean towards voting Trump, but not because I think he'd make the best president, but because maybe, MAYBE career politicians might see that for the wake-up call it is.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-15-2015, 07:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: It's like I said before in a different thread, I'm starting to lean towards voting Trump, but not because I think he'd make the best president, but because maybe, MAYBE career politicians might see that for the wake-up call it is.

You expect too much of career politicians.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-15-2015, 07:25 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: You expect too much of career politicians.

Well, if electing Trump won't do it, then we're all effed.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-15-2015, 05:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: A friend posted this as a quote from Gary Johnson on the current field of candidates. I have no source for the truth of it, just thought it was an interesting take on it all.

Not an interesting take at all.

Tl;dr: Trump is popular because angry white guys who hate politicians and people like Sanders for something other than his positions on the issues.

It's what all of the boring, sports-style political "analysts" have said. And like their analysis, it's not only bland, but incorrect. 

People like Sanders because they like his positions. Disagree with them all you want, but this myth that people don't really, truly, seriously like his ideas is getting ridiculous. 

[*Nately120*]

I hope Trump wins so I can see him walk up to the first foreign leader and scream at him WWF style and wonder why the guy doesn't just surrender to his awesomeness.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-16-2015, 02:56 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hope Trump wins so I can see him walk up to the first foreign leader and scream at him WWF style and wonder why the guy doesn't just surrender to his awesomeness.

He will surrender to his awesomeness. Trump knows how to deal with people. He is not a dope and a total loser like Obama. He is a guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. He is not a fraud and a phony. He will surround himself with great people who are the best of the best to deal with China. He loves China, he deals with China all the time and wins. And nobody will be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump! Trump will make America great again, not be a loser and a moron!

[Rotobeast]

(10-16-2015, 03:14 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: He will surrender to his awesomeness. Trump knows how to deal with people. He is not a dope and a total loser like Obama. He is a guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. He is not a fraud and a phony. He will surround himself with great people who are the best of the best to deal with China. He loves China, he deals with China all the time and wins. And nobody will be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump! Trump will make America great again, not be a loser and a moron!

You're slipping. 
You forgot to work bedroom prowess in there.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-14-2015, 05:50 PM)KingPoster Wrote: I'm still very undecided.

Ms Clinton seems to be the closest to the middle and could most likely work across the aisle. But is she trustworthy?

Sanders is grassroots, but seems like he is about to come unhinged

Webb lost ground, not that he had any. He would be a decent Secretary of Defense IMO

O'Malley  is probably the best but doesn't have a prayer

Chaffee had nowhere else to be last night so he came to the debate.

Bfine likes to dress up as a Democrat sometimes.