Too funny. If you need a survival guide to survive a holiday with family then your issues go far beyond politics.
My favorite is to “see your relatives as people”
All this is great until your uncle just calls you an idiot for referring to him as cis gendered. Since all he really cares about hearing is how your life is going.
Quote:Leftists PANIC Over The Possibility Of Having To Spend Thanksgiving With Trump-Supporting Family
Sites are now issuing "survival guides" for the forthcoming holiday.
Emily ZanottiNovember 13, 2017
Vintage illustration of a husband and wife pulling the wishbone of a turkey for good luck at Thanksgiving dinner; screen print, 1942.
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Thanksgiving is right around the corner, which means its time to start preparing for forced interactions with family members that you never see and probably don't like — and leftists are in a panic at the mere thought of having to spend one meal in the same room as relatives who might have voted for Donald Trump.
Last year at this time, the Obama Administration was issuing memo after memo to Democrats, explaining to everyone from Millennials to union members, how to lecture on the topic of — err . . . make the case for — universal health care, while you had a captive audience gathered around the Thanksgiving turkey. The "talking points" ran the gamut from "obnoxiously out of touch" to "downright insulting to people who actually pay taxes."
But this year, the same crowd is issuing survival guides for social justice warriors whose extended dinner table treatises failed to convince their blood relatives to select Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.
Because, apparently, it's simply not enough to just suck it up and stay silent on the subject of politics when in potentially mixed company, so that everyone enjoys a national holiday devoted to eating, shopping and football, like true Americans or, in the alternative, just cook your own turkey TV dinner in the microwave before sitting down to a solo Samantha Bee marathon.
Anyway, Salon.com and AlterNet are leading the pack offering these tips for dealing with your potentially racist, most definitely wrong, Trump-supporting elders:
1. Practice "Radical Empathy:" The progressive outlets suggest that college students and the more highly educated engage in the practice of listening intently to their relatives feelings, whilst nodding condescendingly, as if acknowledging that a three-year-old's desire to be a fire truck when he or she grows up is a legitimate idea. This works especially well with closed-minded adults, the magazines claim, because nothing will make a Trump supporter more confident in their election choice, than a 26-year-old career academic pretending to listen to their concerns about the economy.
2. Bring up sensitive subjects at the most inopportune times: People crave debate, AlterNet says, so give it to them. While you're passing the mashed potatoes, make sure you make your point about gun control.
3. See your relatives as people. This is a particularly good piece of advice, but one which Salon and AlterNet somehow manage to make into an insult.
When you start labeling people as an ideology, you’re not really seeing them as a person. Let’s face it, not every conservative voice is what they've been charged within the media, which is homophobic, racists, Islamophobic. That’s just not the case. There are narratives out there that are being missed, so you need to have an open mind.”
Who knows? Your aunt might not be a racist! It's a definite possibility!
4. Understand that they may be "fearful" and "ignorant." When the first caveman brought fire to his people, they probably recoiled in horror, right? Well, that's how your plebeian relatives will likely react when you attempt to open their minds to the concept of social justice, and instill woke-ness within the very fiber of their being. They need to be approached carefully, because they spook easily, particularly when confronted with superior ideas which they just might not comprehend.
Conservative sites have yet to respond to the "survival guide," but its entirely possible for even leftists to escape Thanksgiving unscathed — simply by not making every family gathering political. The less you talk about politics, the better you'll feel — trust me. Try allowing the people in your life to just ... have fun and eat good food and watch moderately dangerous sporting events in peace.
i believe the term "snowflake" has been way overused, but yeah.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
Too funny. If you need a survival guide to survive a holiday with family then your issues go far beyond politics.
My favorite is to “see your relatives as people”
All this is great until your uncle just calls you an idiot for referring to him as cis gendered. Since all he really cares about hearing is how your life is going.
Did you read the AltNet article or just the Daily Wire version?
Seems like AltNet is encouraging "leftists" to listen and empathize with people who have differing political viewpoints.
“In my experience, one of the hardest voices to bring to the table is the conservative voice. Conservatives are a little scared to speak out because they feel like they get shafted."
"What happened is that because of all the labeling, people like to dig their heels in the sand. If you ask a political question, people have their argument ready to roll. We don’t do that; we get people to share their personal stories, and we get them to sort of become lovestruck with each other. It’s amazing what happens. We get to some really deep places. We’ve started friendships among these political divides.”
and “Empathy takes a massive amount of courage, even though it’s considered a soft skill. We have to be vulnerable, be ready to let go. You have to listen to what somebody is saying. That doesn’t mean accept it blindly, but you learn nothing from talking and everything from listening. All people’s stories matter."
Nothing is said about ulterior goals of conversion or undermining people's beliefs.
I can understand why invitations to listen across the political aisle and share stories might elicit mockery, but I am surprised at how swiftly all this gets framed as an elitist attack on common folks. But I don't see how we get from the above quotes to this:
. . . college students and the more highly educated engage in the practice of listening intently to their relatives feelings, whilst nodding condescendingly, as if acknowledging that a three-year-old's desire to be a fire truck when he or she grows up is a legitimate idea. This works especially well with closed-minded adults, the magazines claim, because nothing will make a Trump supporter more confident in their election choice, than a 26-year-old career academic pretending to listen to their concerns about the economy.
Too funny. If you need a survival guide to survive a holiday with family then your issues go far beyond politics.
My favorite is to “see your relatives as people”
All this is great until your uncle just calls you an idiot for referring to him as cis gendered. Since all he really cares about hearing is how your life is going.
I was expecting an article about Trump-supporters panic over possibility of getting their asses kicked at Thanksgiving dinner by violent liberal snowflake *******.
(11-13-2017, 05:58 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm finding this interesting given that some of the advice in the original source material could be good advice for everyone that posts in here.
(11-13-2017, 05:42 PM)Dill Wrote: Did you read the AltNet article or just the Daily Wire version?
Seems like AltNet is encouraging "leftists" to listen and empathize with people who have differing political viewpoints.
“In my experience, one of the hardest voices to bring to the table is the conservative voice. Conservatives are a little scared to speak out because they feel like they get shafted."
"What happened is that because of all the labeling, people like to dig their heels in the sand. If you ask a political question, people have their argument ready to roll. We don’t do that; we get people to share their personal stories, and we get them to sort of become lovestruck with each other. It’s amazing what happens. We get to some really deep places. We’ve started friendships among these political divides.”
and “Empathy takes a massive amount of courage, even though it’s considered a soft skill. We have to be vulnerable, be ready to let go. You have to listen to what somebody is saying. That doesn’t mean accept it blindly, but you learn nothing from talking and everything from listening. All people’s stories matter."
Nothing is said about ulterior goals of conversion or undermining people's beliefs.
I can understand why invitations to listen across the political aisle and share stories might elicit mockery, but I am surprised at how swiftly all this gets framed as an elitist attack on common folks. But I don't see how we get from the above quotes to this:
. . . college students and the more highly educated engage in the practice of listening intently to their relatives feelings, whilst nodding condescendingly, as if acknowledging that a three-year-old's desire to be a fire truck when he or she grows up is a legitimate idea. This works especially well with closed-minded adults, the magazines claim, because nothing will make a Trump supporter more confident in their election choice, than a 26-year-old career academic pretending to listen to their concerns about the economy.
I honestly do not care where it came from..... if you need a survival guide to speak to your family then you have bigger problems than Trump being president.
(11-13-2017, 05:58 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm finding this interesting given that some of the advice in the original source material could be good advice for everyone that posts in here.
If leftists had empathy they would realize that people voted Forbes Trump because they were just over the PC, apologetic, safe spaces, triggered culture that has grown over the years. Between that and realizing the media is corrupt, along with tired of being called a -phobe or an -ist.
That right there falls into 95% of Trump people in my area.
Plus they liked that Trump wanted to enforce immigration laws.
You would think leftists would drop the crazy stuff and just talk their socialist policies . They would probably win. But alas it’s more important to make up pronouns and call white people racists.
(11-13-2017, 07:34 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If leftists had empathy they would realize that people voted Forbes Trump because they were just over the PC, apologetic, safe spaces, triggered culture that has grown over the years. Between that and realizing the media is corrupt, along with tired of being called a -phobe or an -ist.
That right there falls into 95% of Trump people in my area.
Plus they liked that Trump wanted to enforce immigration laws.
You would think leftists would drop the crazy stuff and just talk their socialist policies . They would probably win. But alas it’s more important to make up pronouns and call white people racists.
I'm not sure if you understand the intention behind the "survival guides." The idea that is being put out there on the left (not just in these, but in a number of places) is to have conversations rather than arguments about these issues. That is what these guides are all about because the political environment has caused a lot of tension between people in this regard and often results in people talking at rather than with each other. You have highlighted a very important part in all of this, though, and that is that this will need to be a two-way street. One side can be willing to have a conversation, but sometimes the other side is not. This is where interpersonal communications methods can take us a step further as we attempt to bring more people to the conversation. It won't work for everyone, but it's a good place to start.
(11-13-2017, 07:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm not sure if you understand the intention behind the "survival guides." The idea that is being put out there on the left (not just in these, but in a number of places) is to have conversations rather than arguments about these issues. That is what these guides are all about because the political environment has caused a lot of tension between people in this regard and often results in people talking at rather than with each other. You have highlighted a very important part in all of this, though, and that is that this will need to be a two-way street. One side can be willing to have a conversation, but sometimes the other side is not. This is where interpersonal communications methods can take us a step further as we attempt to bring more people to the conversation. It won't work for everyone, but it's a good place to start.
You either just accept someone else’s opinions and restfully agree to disagree.
Or you constantly bicker because someone else doesn’t believe your way.
No one is changing their minds over thanksgiving. To think so is naive.
(11-13-2017, 07:57 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: You either just accept someone else’s opinions and restfully agree to disagree.
Or you constantly bicker because someone else doesn’t believe your way.
No one is changing their minds over thanksgiving. To think so is naive.
To think this is only about Thanksgiving is naive. Using the holiday as an opportunity to discuss the what we should be doing to further the discussion is just building a narrative to help deliver the message.
(11-13-2017, 08:03 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: To think this is only about Thanksgiving is naive. Using the holiday as an opportunity to discuss the what we should be doing to further the discussion is just building a narrative to help deliver the message.
No one is listening to the message that uses made up pronouns and calls normal people racists.
Once leftists figure that out and just talk policies then they have a real conversation.
So the Daily Wire is reporting on Salon's repost of an Alternet article.
I can already tell this is going to be another quality article from Daily Wire. I imagine they saw it on Facebook.
Hmmm... reading the article, it just talks about using empathy when discussing controversial topics with people and finding ways to connect with opposite minded people.
Daily Wire seems to have at least fooled some with their disingenuous summary of the article.
(11-13-2017, 07:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I honestly do not care where it came from..... if you need a survival guide to speak to your family then you have bigger problems than Trump being president.
Just a quick google search for this and there are tips, top 10 lists, and survival guides for dealing with family members who are:
gay
trans-gendered
liberal
millennials
Atheiest
Christian
bixexual
thinking about joining the army
Trump supporters
Muslim
not Muslim (for the Muslims)
there is even a long reddit discussion on tips to deal with Bengals fans. There are tips and survival guides for dealing with all sorts of people out there.
(11-13-2017, 08:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Just a quick google search for this are there are tips, top 10 lists, and survival guides for dealing with family members who are:
gay
trans-gendered
liberal
millennials
Atheiest
Christian
bixexual
thinking about joining the army
Trump supporters
Muslim
not Muslim (for the Muslims)
there is even a long reddit discussion on tips to deal with Bengals fans. There are tips and survival guides for dealing with all sorts of people out there.
That's usually the uncomfortable discussion at our Thanksgiving meals. It goes like:
Family Member 1: "So, Joe, you still keeping up with the Bengals?"
Me: "Anyone got the drumstick yet?"
My son/daughter/wife: "All he does is hang out on that stupid message board and complain on Sundays."
Family Member 1: "That must suck. They win any games last year? Our Cowboys [fill in whatever Jerry Jones did last week]."
Family Member 2: "Football? He still watching the Bengals?"
Family Member 1: [laughter] "Yeah."
Me: "Drumstick? Anybody?"
Family Member 3: "Go Titans!"
Family Member 2: "They still got that Pacman guy? That gets all the fines?"
Me: "I'm a gay Muslim who's registered as a Communist, but I voted for Trump, I'm against abortion and I'm pretty sure I was born a woman. I'm in favor of taxing everyone 50% and giving it all to big corporations, but only if they promise to clear cut forests because I ****ing hate bugs. Plus, termites are really just spies for our alien overlords. Now... can I get a drumstick?"
[brief silence]
Family Member 1: "Hang on there Commie, let's settle this football thing first."
(11-13-2017, 08:08 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one is listening to the message that uses made up pronouns and calls normal people racists.
Once leftists figure that out and just talk policies then they have a real conversation.
Can we agree that respect needs to be something that both sides of a conversation should be willing to give to further a civil conversation? Can you see how if someone states they are offended by a remark but it is repeated regardless that it causes a breakdown of this respectful dialogue?
(11-13-2017, 09:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Can we agree that respect needs to be something that both sides of a conversation should be willing to give to further a civil conversation? Can you see how if someone states they are offended by a remark but it is repeated regardless that it causes a breakdown of this respectful dialogue?
I certainly can; yet, many in the very forum have told me they will call it as they see it. Some have even bragged about passing this propensity down to their children.
Civil discussion can be thrown out the window when folks are compelled to label folks as the see fit. Personally, I try to avoid labels that can be viewed as divisive. I love to see a Thanksgiving dinner with members of this forum if they talk in person the same way they do on the internet.
(11-13-2017, 09:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I certainly can; yet, many in the very forum have told me they will call it as they see it. Some have even bragged about passing this propensity down to their children.
Civil discussion can be thrown out the window when folks are compelled to label folks as the see fit. Personally, I try to avoid labels that can be viewed as divisive. I love to see a Thanksgiving dinner with members of this forum if they talk in person the same way they do on the internet.
I think there needs to be a recognition of balance. If something is said that could be construed as prejudicially based, we ought to say just that. But labeling someone as an -ist doesn't provide much room for dialogue and is just aggressive. Honestly, the more I have thought about this after observing some of these conversations on here is that using the -isms puts people immediately on the defensive and so shuts down conversation. We need to be able to discuss how certain things being said are based in prejudicial attitudes and can be harmful, but without making it into the pissing match it tends to become.
I think if you need a tutorial on how to treat people who believe differently than you then you are beyond the help of a tutorial.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(11-13-2017, 10:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think there needs to be a recognition of balance. If something is said that could be construed as prejudicially based, we ought to say just that. But labeling someone as an -ist doesn't provide much room for dialogue and is just aggressive. Honestly, the more I have thought about this after observing some of these conversations on here is that using the -isms puts people immediately on the defensive and so shuts down conversation. We need to be able to discuss how certain things being said are based in prejudicial attitudes and can be harmful, but without making it into the pissing match it tends to become.
And if you run into someone (Charlotteville, for example) who is saying blatantly racist things they are a racist. Calling them one isn't shutting down any conversation because they aren't going to have one.
When my redneck ex brother in law (RIP) said he hated N****** I told him he was racist. And we had a conversation about it where he insisted he didn't hate all black people...just the n******.
People who say racist, sexist, whateverist things should be offended or surprised when they are called racist, sexist, whateverist.
Archie Bunker insisted he wasn't racist....he was just looking out for #1.
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