Mothers of ISIS

[Johnny Cupcakes]

Here's a powerful read for anyone interested. It goes through the lives of four mothers whose children decided that joining a terrorist organization was a good thing to do. It goes to show that it doesn't really matter where you come from, or the type of people that you have around you, radical Islam can corrupt you pretty easily if you let it in.

Religion is poison to humanity, Islam more than others.

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mothers-of-isis/?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

[Belsnickel]

(08-16-2015, 10:48 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Here's a powerful read for anyone interested. It goes through the lives of four mothers whose children decided that joining a terrorist organization was a good thing to do. It goes to show that it doesn't really matter where you come from, or the type of people that you have around you, radical Islam can corrupt you pretty easily if you let it in.

Religion is poison to humanity, Islam more than others.

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mothers-of-isis/?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

I have been reading some really interesting stories on ISIS as of late. If I was on a computer at the moment it would be easier to share them with you all. A lot of enlightening stuff about them is being put out there right now and it isn't being covered as much here in the states.

[Benton]

Thanks for the read. A side we don't hear from enough, the families left behind.

[Rotobeast]

(08-16-2015, 10:48 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Here's a powerful read for anyone interested.  It goes through the lives of four mothers whose children decided that joining a terrorist organization was a good thing to do.  It goes to show that it doesn't really matter where you come from, or the type of people that you have around you, radical Islam can corrupt you pretty easily if you let it in.

Religion is poison to humanity, Islam more than others.

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mothers-of-isis/?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

I beg to differ....
Weak minds and perversion of religion is the issue.
Religion is the basis for morality and was paramount in culling the majority of barbarism in the world.

I understand how you formed your opinion, things are ugly out there.
However, I'm sure you understand that religion is being used as a tool for control, as it has been forever.
Whether it is a tool for good or evil is up to whether it is a true believer or iconoclast wielding it.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-17-2015, 04:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I beg to differ....
Weak minds and perversion of religion is the issue.
Religion is the basis for morality and was paramount in culling the majority of barbarism in the world.

I understand how you formed your opinion, things are ugly out there.
However, I'm sure you understand that religion is being used as a tool for control, as it has been forever.
Whether it is a tool for good or evil is up to whether it is a true believer or iconoclast wielding it.

Religion is one basis for morality, but not the only one. I'm agnostic. There may be a divine creator, I don't know. I haven't ruled it out as a possibility. I try to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.  Not because of a reward or punishment in a potential afterlife.

[Belsnickel]

(08-17-2015, 04:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I beg to differ....
Weak minds and perversion of religion is the issue.
Religion is the basis for morality and was paramount in culling the majority of barbarism in the world.

The basis of morality lies in society, not religion. You can find evidence of morality, or at least the roots of it, within chimpanzee societies. Religion has served many roles in our cultures around the world, and one of those has been to codify morality. But morality existed before religion.

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(08-17-2015, 09:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The basis of morality lies in society, not religion. You can find evidence of morality, or at least the roots of it, within chimpanzee socieites. Religion has served many roles in our cultures around the world, and one of those has been to codify morality. But morality existed before religion.

Religion undoubtedly has had an effect on human morality, but to say that it's the only factor in it is just wrong.  If you read religious texts though, they're filled with just as many negative things as positive things regarding morality.

If it were the only factor in morality, you would expect for more religious people to be more moral as a whole (which isn't the case), and for a far smaller amount of horrible things attributed to religion.

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-17-2015, 10:05 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Religion undoubtedly has had an effect on human morality, but to say that it's the only factor in it is just wrong.  If you read religious texts though, they're filled with just as many negative things as positive things regarding morality.

If it were the only factor in morality, you would expect for more religious people to be more moral as a whole (which isn't the case), and for a far smaller amount of horrible things attributed to religion.

I agree with this. 

I'm not a religious guy, FWIW.  I still consider myself to be a moral person.  

[Beaker]

(08-17-2015, 04:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I beg to differ....
Weak minds and perversion of religion is the issue.
Religion is the basis for morality and was paramount in culling the majority of barbarism in the world.

I beg to differ...
Even barbarians had some form of religion. And religion has been the basis for some serious barbarism throughout history.
Religion is in no way the basis for morality. If religion was non-existent, society would eventually become more moral all on its own as people grew tired of man's inhumanity towards other men.
Religion separates people. Tells people they are superior to others who don't think the way they do.
Religion is based upon control and fear...tithe here or face excommunication....believe the way we say or face an eternity of suffering....etc.
Fellowship would happen just fine without religion. Good people would come together and help each other even if religion wasn't around.
Nothing is more divisive than religion.
The world would be a better place without it.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I wonder how many people have been murdered in the name of science?

Probably just as many as has been murdered in the name of religion. Before you say "Nuh uh" just think how many Josef Mengele had murdered or the United States government looking for whatever.

Oh wait, this is a "Bash Religion" thread just like all the others.

Lol, you guys are so predictable.

[GMDino]

(08-18-2015, 12:28 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I wonder how many people have been murdered in the name of science?

Probably just as many as has been murdered in the name of religion. Before you say "Nuh uh" just think how many Josef Mengele had murdered or the United States government looking for whatever.

Oh wait, this is a "Bash Religion" thread just like all the others.

Lol, you guys are so predictable.

Oh look, a martyr who thinks discussing religion is "bashing" it.

So predictable.

[Benton]

(08-18-2015, 09:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: Oh look, a martyr who thinks discussing religion is "bashing" it.

So predictable.

Quote:And religion has been the basis for some serious barbarism throughout history.

Quote:Religion separates people.

Quote:Religion is based upon control and fear

Quote:Nothing is more divisive than religion.

The world would be a better place without it.

Quote: Religion is poison to humanity, Islam more than others.

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(08-18-2015, 12:28 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I wonder how many people have been murdered in the name of science?

Probably just as many as has been murdered in the name of religion. Before you say "Nuh uh" just think how many Josef Mengele had murdered or the United States government looking for whatever.

Oh wait, this is a "Bash Religion" thread just like all the others.

Lol, you guys are so predictable.

I can say with near 100% confidence that the amount of people killed in the name of science is nowhere near the amount of people killed in the name of religion.  It might be a difficult thing to measure, but if you'd like, we can keep score.  Unfortunately, you had to get all butthurt and try to bring something else down to the level of religion, as if that may make your atrocities seem less atrocious.  Speaking of predictability....

[GMDino]

(08-18-2015, 11:37 AM)Benton Wrote:

Everything you quoted came from one person and one post.

Here are some of the others.

(08-17-2015, 04:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I beg to differ....
Weak minds and perversion of religion is the issue.
Religion is the basis for morality and was paramount in culling the majority of barbarism in the world.

I understand how you formed your opinion, things are ugly out there.
However, I'm sure you understand that religion is being used as a tool for control, as it has been forever.
Whether it is a tool for good or evil is up to whether it is a true believer or iconoclast wielding it.

(08-17-2015, 09:01 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Religion is one basis for morality, but not the only one. I'm agnostic. There may be a divine creator, I don't know.  I haven't ruled it out as a possibility. I try to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.  Not because of a reward or punishment in a potential afterlife.

(08-17-2015, 09:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The basis of morality lies in society, not religion. You can find evidence of morality, or at least the roots of it, within chimpanzee socieites. Religion has served many roles in our cultures around the world, and one of those has been to codify morality. But morality existed before religion.

(08-17-2015, 10:05 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Religion undoubtedly has had an effect on human morality, but to say that it's the only factor in it is just wrong.  If you read religious texts though, they're filled with just as many negative things as positive things regarding morality.

If it were the only factor in morality, you would expect for more religious people to be more moral as a whole (which isn't the case), and for a far smaller amount of horrible things attributed to religion.

(08-17-2015, 10:11 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I agree with this. 

I'm not a religious guy, FWIW.  I still consider myself to be a moral person.  

That's about as reasonable a discussion as you can have about religion around here.

[Johnny Cupcakes]

If calling something out for what it is is "bashing", then sure...I'll bash religion. Happily, at that. Some beliefs don't deserve my respect. I don't believe that there has been much bashing here though...

[xxlt]

(08-17-2015, 09:01 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Religion is one basis for morality, but not the only one. I'm agnostic. There may be a divine creator, I don't know.  I haven't ruled it out as a possibility. I try to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.  Not because of a reward or punishment in a potential afterlife.

^ all day long.

[Benton]

(08-18-2015, 11:43 AM)GMDino Wrote: Everything you quoted came from one person and one post.

Here are some of the others.







That's about as reasonable a discussion as you can have about religion around here.  

You should probably recount that. It's easily twice as many people.

[GMDino]

(08-18-2015, 12:14 PM)Benton Wrote: You should probably recount that. It's easily twice as many people.

You are correct.  2 people.

Clearly its bashing.

[Benton]

(08-18-2015, 12:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: You are correct.  2 people.

Clearly its bashing.

One person is a hater.

Two people are a mob.

[GMDino]

(08-18-2015, 12:21 PM)Benton Wrote: One person is a hater.

Two people are a mob.

A dangerous mob.