Transgender Girl Scout cookie sales

[Rotobeast]

(02-19-2016, 01:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That does it.

I am selling my Trans Am.  

I don't know if I might be "promoting" or "offending" by driving it. I just want to avoid any potential controversy.

Yep, Russians.


http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Dr-Fi/Firebird.html

Quote:Firebird

The firebird is a magical bird with golden feathers and crystal eyes that appears in many Russian folk stories. Several of the tales involve young Prince Ivan, son of the tsar.

In one story, the firebird stole apples from the tsar's garden. The tsar promised his kingdom to the son who could catch the firebird. The youngest son, Ivan, found a magic gray wolf, which helped him capture the bird. While Ivan and the wolf were on their journey, they met a beautiful princess and a horse with a golden mane. When Ivan's two jealous brothers saw them, they killed Ivan and took the horse and princess for themselves. The wolf found Ivan and brought him back to life just in time to stop Ivan's older brother from marrying the princess. When their father heard the full story, he imprisoned his two evil sons and allowed Ivan to marry the princess.
In another tale, Ivan captured the firebird in a castle garden but set it free in exchange for a magic feather from the firebird. Thirteen princesses came out of the castle and told Ivan that the owner was an evil magician who turned people into stone. But Ivan, who fell in love with one of the princesses, ignored the warning and decided to face the magician and his demons. The magic feather protected Ivan, and the firebird cast a spell on the demons. When the bird showed the prince an egg that contained the magician's soul, Ivan broke the egg, killing the magician and freeing the princesses.


Read more: http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Dr-Fi/Firebird.html#ixzz40fcuHCgx

[StLucieBengal]

(02-19-2016, 06:28 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well.. for Mr. Lucie who I disagree with 95% of the time but like to hear his opinion.
http://m.etonline.com/news/182604_alexis_arquette_started_calling_herself_gender_suspicious_after_caitlyn_jenner_came_out/

Just make shit up as you go and act offended to get attention. Seems legit.

Id venture to say the doctors who go along with this stuff really appreciate the money. If it werent for man made medicine nobody would be turning ball sacks into vaginas. Just saying.

Well after reading that all I can do give myself the facepalm. This is part of the reason why I don't think this transformer movement is even legitimate. It's a small group who has obvious mental issues and by any of us playing along with their delusions all we do is exacerbate their mental condition. They need help not for the rest of us to bury our heads in the sand while they act irrationally.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-19-2016, 05:35 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Funny how someone that always cries about the various usages of the T word when it's not being used to call him anything, is one of the first to try to directly insult someone else, his other favorite words, Bigot, Homophobe etc.

Spot on

[6andcounting]

(02-20-2016, 09:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well after reading that all I can do give myself the facepalm. This is part of the reason why I don't think this transformer movement is even legitimate. It's a small group who has obvious mental issues and by any of us playing along with their delusions all we do is exacerbate their mental condition. They need help not for the rest of us to bury our heads in the sand while they act irrationally.

Re-banned in

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[StLucieBengal]

(02-20-2016, 09:19 PM)6andcounting Wrote: Re-banned in

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Lol I didn't do anything.  

They don't suspend me because I think this is all a sham.

I will say it's a shame Vlad was suspended as well.

[StLucieBengal]

Dr Frank n Furter on line 2

[StLucieBengal]

http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/16/i-used-to-be-transgender-heres-my-take-on-kids-who-think-they-are-transgender/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=saturday&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonu6zLcO%2FhmjTEU5z16eQvX6Kwhpx41El3fuXBP2XqjvpVQcNnNL7ORw8FHZNpywVWM8TIJNIUt9h1PwzhCG%2B5lKTJe7tPY71y0tVI%2B%2FX0jzRV


Good article

Quote:When a 9-year-old boy who identifies as Stormi, a transgender girl, started selling Girl Scout cookies, one neighbor was not amused, according to Buzzfeed.

The neighbor rebuffed him, reportedly saying, “Nobody wants to buy Girl Scout cookies from a boy in a dress.”

The neighbor is being called transphobic—but perhaps the neighbor thought he was being pranked by a boy and reacted accordingly. Not everyone assumes that a boy in a dress selling Girl Scout cookies is transgender.

People Can Be Genderphobic

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Stormi looked like a boy to the neighbor because he really is a boy. Transgender people may deceive themselves, but they do not deceive others.

Life in society is not some fantasy world where a boy should pretend he has magically transformed himself into a girl simply by uttering the words “I am a girl” and changing how he presents himself.

The people who strongly object to the honest reaction from a man saying, “Nobody wants to buy Girl Scout cookies from a boy in a dress” are perhaps gender-phobic, rejecting and ridiculing the reality of male and female genders.

While studying psychology in a university program I discovered that trans-kids most often are suffering from a variety of disorders, starting with depression—the result of personal loss, broken families, sexual abuse, and unstable homes.

The people who encourage very young kids to act out, switch genders, and live a life of pretend need to understand that Stormi could be suffering from a dissociative disorder, just as happened with me. My feelings of not wanting to be a boy started in early childhood as result of cross-dressing at the hands of my grandma.

Stormi could be in need of psychotherapy, not a dress.

Caregivers all too often collaborate with a mental disorder instead of treating it. Telling a psychologically troubled boy he has changed genders is not compassion, but can become reckless parenting. By withholding psychotherapy, parents could be abusing the kid.

My Transgender Story

Living in a self-made gender fantasy world void of reality is not psychologically or emotionally healthy.

I know that to be true. I was transgender kid at the age of 4. For decades, as I tried to live in my male birth gender, the feelings of being a woman only grew stronger.

I sought help from a renowned gender specialist who told me that mine was a clear-cut case of gender dysphoria—strong, persistent feelings of identification with the opposite gender and discomfort with one’s own assigned sex. He said the only way to get relief was to surgically change genders.

I underwent gender reassignment surgery at 42 years of age after cross-dressing for most of my life.

I lived as a transgender, Laura Jensen, female, for eight years. While studying psychology in a university program, I discovered that trans kids most often are suffering from a variety of disorders, starting with depression—the result of personal loss, broken families, sexual abuse, and unstable homes. Deep depression leads kids to want to be someone other than who they are.

That information sure resonated with me.

Finally, I had discovered the madness of the transgender life. It is a fabrication born of mental disorders.

I only wish that when I went to the gender counselor for help he would have told me I couldn’t really change genders, that it is biologically impossible. Instead, he approved me for gender reassignment surgery, a surgery that, if I had been provided proper psychotherapy, would never have been necessary or appropriate.

The Role Trauma and Psychological Disorders Can Play

The transgender life is often the direct result of early childhood difficulty or trauma. Assisting a young child into the fabricated ideology of a transgender life is not helping the child sort out what is real and what is fiction.

The likelihood that the child known as Stormi is suffering from separation anxiety or some other psychological disorder cannot be ignored. Stormi is living in a foster home. While it may be safe and necessary, foster care is intended to separate the child from the birth parent. This can lead to psychological disorders like separation anxiety disorder.

Separation anxiety occurs as the result of loss or separation from the birth parent. Disruption in a child’s home environment can lead to stress, depression, and anxiety. Living in a foster home even under the best conditions can be stressful to a young person.

Separation anxiety disorder and other psychological disorders can masquerade as gender dysphoria, leading caregivers and medical practitioners to misdiagnose and not provide proper or effective psychotherapies.

Stormi’s life will evolve as maturity unfolds. Most likely in 15 or 20 years, reality will set in that he really never changed genders. This is often a turning point where the trans life is not looking as good as it once did.

Thankfully, like me, many transgender persons return to the gender they once shed. Slowly they restore the life that was lost.

The three men who came up with the idea of changing boys into girls and making transgenders, Alfred Kinsey, Harry Benjamin, and John Money, were pedophilia advocates. (For more of the history, see “Sex Change” Surgery: What Bruce Jenner, Diane Sawyer, and You Should Know.)

The neighbor man was correct about one thing: The Girl Scout at his door was really a boy in a dress—just like I was as a young boy who thought I was a girl.

[fredtoast]

(02-21-2016, 10:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/16/i-used-to-be-transgender-heres-my-take-on-kids-who-think-they-are-transgender/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=saturday&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonu6zLcO%2FhmjTEU5z16eQvX6Kwhpx41El3fuXBP2XqjvpVQcNnNL7ORw8FHZNpywVWM8TIJNIUt9h1PwzhCG%2B5lKTJe7tPY71y0tVI%2B%2FX0jzRV


Good article

While I am sorry that this guy made a big mistake, that in no way makes him an expert in this area.  He has no training or expertise on the issue.  He has done no studies at all.  

In fact it sounds like he might want to go back to being a woman next year.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2016, 12:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: While I am sorry that this guy made a big mistake, that in no way makes him an expert in this area.  He has no training or expertise on the issue.  He has done no studies at all.  

In fact it sounds like he might want to go back to being a woman next year.

Yeah he couldn't possibly know what any of these mentally disturbed people are thinking.  It's not like he hasn't dealt with this same exact situation personally .......   Oh wait

Quote:Thankfully, like me, many transgender persons return to the gender they once shed. Slowly they restore the life that was lost.

Why do they return? Maybe the body is fixing itself. Or they finally realize that they are the gender they were born.

[fredtoast]

(02-21-2016, 12:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yeah he couldn't possibly know what any of these mentally disturbed people are thinking.  It's not like he hasn't dealt with this same exact situation personally .......   Oh wait

So only mentally ill people can be psychologists?

This guy is using his own experience to diagnose people who are totally different from him.  It would be like a person who was never depressed claiming that depression does not exist because he never had it.

[fredtoast]

(02-21-2016, 12:41 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Why do they return?   Maybe the body is fixing itself.   Or they finally realize that they are the gender  they were born.

Most don't return.  Many are very satisfied.

That is why one person is not allowed to make the decision for every person. Or make a psychological diagnosis of a child  he has never even spoken to.

And that is also why you should not be mean to a 9 year old kid struggling with gender identity issues.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2016, 12:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So only mentally ill people can be psychologists?

This guy is using his own experience to diagnose people who are totally different from him.  It would be like a person who was never depressed claiming that depression does not exist because he never had it.

(02-21-2016, 12:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Most don't return.  Many are very satisfied.

That is why one person is not allowed to make the decision for every person. Or make a psychological diagnosis of a child  he has never even spoken to.

And that is also why you should not be mean to a 9 year old kid struggling with gender identity issues.

Every single one of these people should have intense counseling for their obvious mental condition. And that goes for This confused 9 year old as well. I'm sure his lack of family has nothing to do with his dissociative behavior.

This guys own path shows that he at least understands the mental pressure and confusion they are under. Does he have the Skelton key to fixing them? No. But he knows what is going on in their head.

[fredtoast]

(02-21-2016, 01:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote:    No. But he knows what is going on in their head.

No.  He knows what went on in his head.  Or at least he thinks he does right now.

He has never even spoken to this child.

Every person  struggling with gender identity issues should get counselling.  But it is ridiculous for him to claim he can diagnose this girls problems without even speaking to her.  Especially since we don't know if he will o back to being a woman again next year.

I actually feel sorry for the guy going through two sex change surgeries.  He may have gotten poor advice, or he might have ignored good advice and did what he wanted.   But either way that does not give him any authority to tell someone else what they are thinking or feeling.

It is like a guy who was diagnosed with depression claiming that just because he was not really depressed (or at least is not depressed right now) than that means depression does not even exist.

[GMDino]

(02-21-2016, 01:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Every single one of these people should have intense counseling for their obvious mental condition.   And that goes for This confused 9 year old as well.    I'm sure his lack of family has nothing to do with his dissociative behavior.    

This guys own path shows that he at least understands the mental pressure and confusion they are under.    Does he have the Skelton key to fixing them?    No.  But he knows what is going on in their head.

I feel the exact same way about extremely religious people who know what is "proper" for their children and everyone else.


What you are advocating IS a skeleton key for everyone because you found a guy who agrees with what you already believed.  

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2016, 02:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: I feel the exact same way about extremely religious people who know what is "proper" for their children and everyone else.


What you are advocating IS a skeleton key for everyone because you found a guy who agrees with what you already believed.  

No I am advocating that people get counseling for their mental disorder.    If they are still confused about their life then that's on them.   Subjecting a child to this life without counseling is cruel.

[GMDino]

(02-21-2016, 02:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No I am advocating that people get counseling for their mental disorder.    If they are still confused about their life then that's on them.   Subjecting a child to this life without counseling is cruel.

And I'm agreeing.  Just saying extremely religious people should get lots of counseling before they go out and start making decisions for other people too.

[jmccracky]

(02-21-2016, 02:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No I am advocating that people get counseling for their mental disorder.    If they are still confused about their life then that's on them.   Subjecting a child to this life without counseling is cruel.

In the group meetings that I attend, not one person never offered their child counseling. Not one parent said "oh, ok, let's make you a girl now". Not one. And most of them are Christian conservatives like yourself. Probably 5 sets of liberal parents in my main group. If your child ever goes through this, I would gladly invite you to a session. You would meet others who used to think the way you do.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2016, 02:51 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: In the group meetings that I attend, not one person never offered their child counseling. Not one parent said "oh, ok, let's make you a girl now". Not one. And most of them are Christian conservatives like yourself. Probably 5 sets of liberal parents in my main group. If your child ever goes through this, I would gladly invite you to a session. You would meet others who used to think the way you do.

Not sure why religion has anything to do with this.

And if you are going through this then my you will be in my prayers but I hardly think advocating for couseling for those who think they are going through this is that big of a deal. If you have seem my posting then you know that think mental disorders are massively under treated in this country. I just chalk this up as an affect not a cause. It doesn't mean the people or children are any less. It just means they need to talk to someone. Then it will go as its meant to go.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-21-2016, 02:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: And I'm agreeing.  Just saying extremely religious people should get lots of counseling before they go out and start making decisions for other people too.

Actually religious people get couseling before they join a religion. And this is a false cpmparasion anyway.... You are not born a religion. But you are born a male or female.

[jmccracky]

(02-21-2016, 03:02 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Not sure why religion has anything to do with this.

And if you are going through this then my you will be in my prayers but I hardly think advocating for couseling for  those who think they are going through this is that big of a deal.    If you have seem my posting then you know that think mental disorders are massively under treated in this country.    I just chalk this up as an affect not a cause.      It doesn't mean the people or children are any less.   It just means they need to talk to someone.    Then it will go as its meant to go.

Just saying there are people you can probably relate to.