Trump-Biden Debates set

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(05-23-2024, 01:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well...

https://meidasnews.com/news/ohio-moving-to-exclude-biden-from-ballot

As you have seen on the board previously, many who lean to the right are in favor of keeping Biden on the ballot in Ohio. I even think I started a thread about it?

I wonder what changed?

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(05-22-2024, 08:16 AM)pally Wrote: Just curious…

What is worse than using illegal electors in an attempt to overturn an election that he lost?

Republicans have been trying for 4 years to pin dirt on Joe Biden.  So far they have zilch

Some have voiced concerns over the his office's abuse of the first amendment with relation to heavily influencing shadow banning, spreading misinformation, and suspending accounts on various social media platforms. It has been suggested that this won him the 2020 election, as it was noted 10% of Biden voters stated they would not have voted for him if they knew the laptop really belonged to Hunter.

Other have noted government over-reach during the pandemic, which help make the country dumber, lowering standardized test scores nationwide.

Another might suggest the blatant lawfare waged on DJT is a third world tactic.

Now is is mentally incompetent and leading the nation. Everyone sees he's not there anymore, and the democrats are so lockstep, they do nothing to step in a replace him.

As for the DJT thing, he hasn't been charged or found guilty of trying to over-turn the election, and will never go on trial for insurrection, as I have noted previously.


They are both bad choices, and to pretend Joe Biden is squeaky clean is naïve, even for the most lockstep drone.

Before it starts, I hold that same position on DJT as well.

[*pally*]

(05-23-2024, 01:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well...

https://meidasnews.com/news/ohio-moving-to-exclude-biden-from-ballot

Gov Mike DeWine is fed up.  He has called a special session of the legislature next week so that this issue can be fixed

Quote:On Thursday, DeWine announced he is calling a rare special session to address Biden’s ballot access.

“Ohio is running out of time to get Joe Biden, the sitting President of the United States, on the ballot this fall. Failing to do so is simply unacceptable. This is ridiculous. This is [an] absurd situation,” the governor said. “I’ve waited. I’ve been patient. And my patience has run out.”

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-23-2024, 01:32 AM)pally Wrote: Alabama and Ohio, the 2 states with the 90 day requirement.

Is Trump going to be on the ballot in all 50 states?

Trump Probably will be, but the D's certainly tried to keep him off the ballots for the upcoming election didn't they? 
This is likely nothing more than childish retribution for what they tired to do with Trump. 

[Luvnit2]

(05-23-2024, 11:05 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Trump Probably will be, but the D's certainly tried to keep him off the ballots for the upcoming election didn't they? 
This is likely nothing more than childish retribution for what they tired to do with Trump. 

It is the law in Ohio and Alabama.

Pally always says no one is above the law. Why should the law be changed?

Pally and liberals preaching about follow the law should be happy.

[Luvnit2]

(05-23-2024, 10:04 PM)pally Wrote: Gov Mike DeWine is fed up.  He has called a special session of the legislature next week so that this issue can be fixed

Who cares about RINO DeWine? It is not his call, it is the state legislature’s decision to change the law.

[GMDino]

(05-23-2024, 11:13 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Who cares about RINO DeWine? It is not his call, it is the state legislature’s decision to change the law.

Sounds like you are "afraid" of Biden being on the ballot.  

[*pally*]

(05-23-2024, 11:13 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Who cares about RINO DeWine? It is not his call, it is the state legislature’s decision to change the law.

How dare the sitting governor of a state call out his own party for playing games.


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[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-24-2024, 12:01 PM)pally Wrote: How dare the sitting governor of a state call out his own party for playing games.  


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Looks to me like the R's are waiting on the D's to suggest the Legislation needed to fix the issue.

[*pally*]

(05-24-2024, 01:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Looks to me like the R's are waiting on the D's to suggest the Legislation needed to fix the issue.

They have, in Ohio, Democrats have very little legislative power due to our illegally gerrymandered statehouse, so why does the governor need to call a special session to get the House to do what the Senate already did?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-24-2024, 03:51 PM)pally Wrote: They have, in Ohio, Democrats have very little legislative power due to our illegally gerrymandered statehouse, so why does the governor need to call a special session to get the House to do what the Senate already did?

The House and Senate both made proposals, both rejected each others proposals. 
The R's want to remove Foreign money from being spent in Ohio. 
The D's tried to circumvent the laws, rather than change them to make it legal.

No idea why you keep saying they did it for "TRUMP".  That's only partially true. They did it for BOTH Candidates, both times in 2012 and 2020. 

In 2012, the first year the conflict existed, the Ohio legislature during 2012 passed SB 509, moving the deadline for 2012 only to 60 days. This was done to help both major parties, because that year the Republican convention was August 27-30, and the Democratic convention was September 4-6.


The 2020 Democratic National Convention was a presidential nominating convention that was held from August 17 to 20, 2020,
The 2020 Republican National Convention in which delegates of the United States Republican Party selected the party's nominees for president and vice president in the 2020 United States presidential election, was held from August 24 to 27, 2020




So please stop with your accusations and one-way information. This it the first time 1 of the 2 major parties has missed the deadline. I'm sure it'll be resolved in time, just making the D's sweat it out and spend that precious campaign money on legal fees instead. Which is just turnabout fair play.

[*pally*]

(05-25-2024, 02:50 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The House and Senate both made proposals, both rejected each others proposals. 
The R's want to remove Foreign money from being spent in Ohio. 
The D's tried to circumvent the laws, rather than change them to make it legal.

No idea why you keep saying they did it for "TRUMP".  That's only partially true. They did it for BOTH Candidates, both times in 2012 and 2020. 

In 2012, the first year the conflict existed, the Ohio legislature during 2012 passed SB 509, moving the deadline for 2012 only to 60 days. This was done to help both major parties, because that year the Republican convention was August 27-30, and the Democratic convention was September 4-6.


The 2020 Democratic National Convention was a presidential nominating convention that was held from August 17 to 20, 2020,
The 2020 Republican National Convention in which delegates of the United States Republican Party selected the party's nominees for president and vice president in the 2020 United States presidential election, was held from August 24 to 27, 2020




So please stop with your accusations and one-way information. This it the first time 1 of the 2 major parties has missed the deadline. I'm sure it'll be resolved in time, just making the D's sweat it out and spend that precious campaign money on legal fees instead. Which is just turnabout fair play.

And in 2020 both candidates were on the Ohio ballot because the legislature did their job by passing a clean bill.

The Republicans have supermajority control in both chambers in Ohio it is not Democrats stopping this it is differences among Republican that is

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-25-2024, 09:04 AM)pally Wrote: And in 2020 both candidates were on the Ohio ballot because the legislature did their job by passing a clean bill.

The Republicans have supermajority control in both chambers in Ohio it is not Democrats stopping this it is differences among Republican that is

So?
They also have a Tri-fecta in AL, but it got worked out there. 



Here is the problem in Ohio:


The deadline to notify Ohio of a party’s presidential nominee is Aug. 7.
After being signed by the governor and delivered to the secretary of state’s office, bills take 90 days to go into effect. Ninety days after May 10 is Aug. 8.
Aug. 8 is the day after the nomination deadline.
After back-and-forths with each House caucus’ administration and checking with two additional legal experts, there is one conclusion: the lawmakers’ math was flawed.
“The only problem that you’ve encountered, and you were right, is when you start counting,” Case Western Reserve University constitutional law professor Jonathan Entin said.
The Democrats acknowledged the error and said they were looking into it. The Republicans had been discussing it with their legal team but said it still doesn’t violate state law — adding that they worked with the secretary of state’s team on it. WEWS/OCJ reached out to LaRose’s office but didn’t hear back.
The GOP also argued that once the law is effective, “any previous failure to meet the deadline is immediately cured.” It was brought up that the nomination deadline is before the law is effective, and it wouldn’t impact the deadline that already passed.
The Democrats recognized that, yes, it is possible they would be breaking the law for a day or more. Both they and the Republicans said it wasn’t going to be an issue, though.



https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/05/08/ohio-lawmakers-err-in-attempt-to-fix-biden-ballot-problem/





As I said, once they get it worked out, Biden will be on the ballot Legally. If they had allowed this to go thru, all it would have taken was one idiot to challenge it and Biden would have been tossed from the ballot and likely too late to do anything legally to fix it. 


In the meantime, everyone is making a royal fuss out of this. 
Damn those R bastids! 

[GMDino]

(05-25-2024, 10:35 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: So?
They also have a Tri-fecta in AL, but it got worked out there. 



Here is the problem in Ohio:


The deadline to notify Ohio of a party’s presidential nominee is Aug. 7.
After being signed by the governor and delivered to the secretary of state’s office, bills take 90 days to go into effect. Ninety days after May 10 is Aug. 8.
Aug. 8 is the day after the nomination deadline.
After back-and-forths with each House caucus’ administration and checking with two additional legal experts, there is one conclusion: the lawmakers’ math was flawed.
“The only problem that you’ve encountered, and you were right, is when you start counting,” Case Western Reserve University constitutional law professor Jonathan Entin said.
The Democrats acknowledged the error and said they were looking into it. The Republicans had been discussing it with their legal team but said it still doesn’t violate state law — adding that they worked with the secretary of state’s team on it. WEWS/OCJ reached out to LaRose’s office but didn’t hear back.
The GOP also argued that once the law is effective, “any previous failure to meet the deadline is immediately cured.” It was brought up that the nomination deadline is before the law is effective, and it wouldn’t impact the deadline that already passed.
The Democrats recognized that, yes, it is possible they would be breaking the law for a day or more. Both they and the Republicans said it wasn’t going to be an issue, though.



https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/05/08/ohio-lawmakers-err-in-attempt-to-fix-biden-ballot-problem/





As I said, once they get it worked out, Biden will be on the ballot Legally. If they had allowed this to go thru, all it would have taken was one idiot to challenge it and Biden would have been tossed from the ballot and likely too late to do anything legally to fix it. 


In the meantime, everyone is making a royal fuss out of this. 
Damn those R bastids! 

The date Ohio uses is completely arbitrary.  In the past they have made exceptions for both parties.

But in this case the super majority wants to play politics to help Trump.

It should be a simple fix as it was in the past.  Making excuses for them doesn't make them look any better.

[*pally*]

The Democrats will hold a virtual meeting of delegates to finalize the nomination before the actual convention in order to guarantee access to the Ohio ballot