Tua out for Thursday?

[reuben.ahmed]

mike mcdaniels is a liar.

[*Nately120*]

(09-30-2022, 12:58 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: He definitely looks like one of my coworkers. With them coming in I thought I guess they want a young QB/young coach combo, now we question if he had the power to stop Tua from playing today.

We will see if they take a step back from promoting the guy with the bad look this game had.  Then again, if he had held Tua out I bet there would be some fans out there complaining about how the NFL has gone all woke and soft with this hipster-looking soy boy NFL head coach worrying about Tua's head when back in the good ol days players got their bells rung all the time and no one ever cried about it.

Boy howdy, you'd get piledriven on every play and you'd get up and play, damn it.  Sure, you were on the sidelines talking to your linemen and saying stuff like "Are the cookies almost done, grandma?" but you still gutted it out back when men were men and cigarettes were unfiltered. 

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-30-2022, 01:08 AM)Nately120 Wrote: We will see if they take a step back from promoting the guy with the bad look this game had.  Then again, if he had held Tua out I bet there would be some fans out there complaining about how the NFL has gone all woke and soft with this hipster-looking soy boy NFL head coach worrying about Tua's head when back in the good ol days players got their bells rung all the time and no one ever cried about it.

Boy howdy, you'd get piledriven on every play and you'd get up and play, damn it.  Sure, you were on the sidelines talking to your linemen and saying stuff like "Are the cookies almost done, grandma?" but you still gutted it out back when men were men and cigarettes were unfiltered. 

Lol to bold.

The way NFL is right now will definitely not be what it is when we're gone, with the pro bowl going flag football. In a few hundred years people will say we were barbarians, lol.

I was disappointed in Whit because he had the floor right after Mike McDaniels outright lied on the mic saying he didn't think anything that happened in the last game had an effect on this game's result with Tua. If you lie to yourself enough you start to believe it. That and there are billionaires above your head holding a gun to it. Whit had a chance to comment and sided with mike.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(09-30-2022, 12:56 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: But Fred Toast said it wasn't a concussion last week. I wonder what he thinks now. EDIT: He's banned, so we can now say he's wrong and he has no chance to respond.

Fred will NEVER be permanently banned; he doesn't do things like threaten people's personal lives or do nasty things on PMs or anything that is egregiously against the TOS, so he's probably been caged for a week or so.

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-30-2022, 01:17 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Fred will NEVER be permanently banned; he doesn't do things like threaten people's personal lives or do nasty things on PMs or anything that is egregiously against the TOS, so he's probably been caged for a week or so.

I kind of want to see the rap sheet though. I ran my stop in the neighborhood at 1mph, I took off my seatbelt right before the cops came to my car, and I was swerving around parallel parked cars in the street that they ticketed me all for lol.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(09-30-2022, 01:17 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Fred will NEVER be permanently banned; he doesn't do things like threaten people's personal lives or do nasty things on PMs or anything that is egregiously against the TOS, so he's probably been caged for a week or so.

This one was pretty bad…

[*Nately120*]

(09-30-2022, 01:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This one was pretty bad…

Damn now I'm curious.

[*rfaulk34*]

(09-29-2022, 08:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What about taking his word over a physician that actually did a complete physical examination of Tua?  Like I said before.  If we can diagnose a concussion from watching TV then why does the NFL have this testing protocol in place.

My dad had a bad back and saw him fall down from getting a "catch".  He would also scrunch up his shoulders and rotate his neck to "loosen it up".

I don't claim to be a doctor.  I don't even know what was wrong with my dad's back.  But any "doctor" who claims you can't lose you balance and fall from a back problem is full of shit.

I could very well be wrong about what happened to Tua.  But if it is as clear as some "doctors" are claiming then the NFL will not be able to get away with denying it happened.  They will be forced to admit it.  They are scared shitless about law suits over head injuries.  A lot more concerned about those than if Tua plays a Thursday night game for the Dolphins.

Yes.

[*rfaulk34*]

(09-30-2022, 12:56 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Well he looks amusingly odd for an NFL HC and he was 3-0 and coming off a win over the Bills going into this game.  I'd say the narrative on him should rightfully shift after this.

Or maybe not.  Either way, I can see why the NFL was promoting the guy a bit.  Hell, I think the one thing I alerted my wife to in regards to this game was "Look at the Dolphins' head coach...doesn't he look like some sort of IT guy?"

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-29-2022, 08:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What about taking his word over a physician that actually did a complete physical examination of Tua?  Like I said before.  If we can diagnose a concussion from watching TV then why does the NFL have this testing protocol in place.

Did you hear Whitworth say he was able to get back into a game after a concussion and passing the sideline on exam? That’s confirmation concussed players can pass the exams.

But, if a player temporarily can’t walk a straight to pass a sobriety test after a head injury that is a temporary disruption of normal neurological function which meets the definition of a concussion. The player’s dysequilibrium may resolve by the 2nd half of a football game. But, that doesn’t change the fact dysequilibrium was present in the 1st half.

Not all concussions can be diagnosed by watching video of the injury. But, they can be if you observe abnormal neurological function after a head injury.

https://www.practicematch.com/physicians/job-details.cfm/595224/neurology/alabama/telespecialists/

That’s a link to apply for a job as a remote neurologist making a minimum salary of $350K diagnosing and treating strokes and other neurological conditions from your couch. Observing the patient on a computer screen much smaller than my TV.

Quote:My dad had a bad back and saw him fall down from getting a "catch".  He would also scrunch up his shoulders and rotate his neck to "loosen it up".

I don't claim to be a doctor.  I don't even know what was wrong with my dad's back.  But any "doctor" who claims you can't lose you balance and fall from a back problem is full of shit.

Well, I guess it’s a good thing no one claimed you can’t fall due to a back problem. Anyone who claimed someone claimed that is full of shit. And by anyone I mean you. But, Tua’s fall was due to a head injury he sustained seconds before. Not a fictitious back and ankle injury of indeterminate origin.

Quote:I could very well be wrong about what happened to Tua.  But if it is as clear as some "doctors" are claiming then the NFL will not be able to get away with denying it happened.  They will be forced to admit it.  They are scared shitless about law suits over head injuries.  A lot more concerned about those than if Tua plays a Thursday night game for the Dolphins.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yn2Sdvpxt3o

Fencing position after a head=moderate TBI=concussion.

Are you going to argue he wasn’t concussed . . . again . . . because you didn’t see a fencing position as he was stretchered off the field? Or that he can’t be diagnosed by observing the obvious abnormal neurological function that indicates a concussion just occurred?

This is exactly why I didn’t want to engage with you on this topic. And win that I’m done with this. I’m not going to argue with you just for the sake of argument. Believe whatever you want. I tried.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-30-2022, 01:12 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Lol to bold.

The way NFL is right now will definitely not be what it is when we're gone, with the pro bowl going flag football. In a few hundred years people will say we were barbarians, lol.

I was disappointed in Whit because he had the floor right after Mike McDaniels outright lied on the mic saying he didn't think anything that happened in the last game had an effect on this game's result with Tua. If you lie to yourself enough you start to believe it. That and there are billionaires above your head holding a gun to it. Whit had a chance to comment and sided with mike.

I missed that.

[CarolinaBengalFanGuy]

I still feel like he didn't even take that bad of a hit and it makes me wonder even more if he was already suffering concussion symptoms leading to him getting knocked the hell out so easily. I mean it was a good smack on the ground but I've seen guys get up from significantly worse.

Sad thing is Teddy Bridgewater is a very qualified and experienced backup. To be honest I bet they are more dangerous on the deep ball with him. Short week, hurricane BS coming through. Let your veteran backup play the game and let Tua get some rest. Even if it was back and ankle injuries he still could have and probably should have needed the rest.

Won't lie though if there was something being hidden it feels like Tua was in on it and wanting to play through it himself. He's going to have to learn to be extremely careful if/when he returns as you do not need to be taking unnecessary chances with brain injuries. I feel like we just watched his career drastically become shortened after tonight.

[dr tarzan]

(09-30-2022, 05:20 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: I still feel like he didn't even take that bad of a hit and it makes me wonder even more if he was already suffering concussion symptoms leading to him getting knocked the hell out so easily. I mean it was a good smack on the ground but I've seen guys get up from significantly worse.

Sad thing is Teddy Bridgewater is a very qualified and experienced backup. To be honest I bet they are more dangerous on the deep ball with him. Short week, hurricane BS coming through. Let your veteran backup play the game and let Tua get some rest. Even if it was back and ankle injuries he still could have and probably should have needed the rest.

Won't lie though if there was something being hidden it feels like Tua was in on it and wanting to play through it himself. He's going to have to learn to be extremely careful if/when he returns as you do not need to be taking unnecessary chances with brain injuries. I feel like we just watched his career drastically become shortened after tonight.

I concur.   As most folks who follow contact sports know, the concussions are a cumulative injury.   Each successive one requires less of an impact, recalling Moose Johnston.... his last one was a routine tackle where he didn't even  have a head impact. 
When they are so severe that it involves the kind of posturing Tua did after this last one, it is going to have lasting effect.   Like you said, we see many such impacts that guys pop up and run to the huddle, his brain is going to be mush after the next one.    I would not be surprised to see season ending IR for him.

Last weeks "back and ankle" injury was total bullshit.    It doesn't take a trained eye to see when someone is staggering from a neurologic condition versus an orthopedic one.  OK,  maybe sometimes it does.  But Mine is, anyway, and that was no orthopedic stagger.    Tua and the Dolphins medical and coaching staff ignored their own instincts and placed this too dedicated player's career and possibly, life, at risk.  If some heads don't roll on this one, someone just isn't looking for malfeasance or malpractice hard enough.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-30-2022, 01:24 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Damn now I'm curious.

Same. We need a new “What they got banned for” forum. Holic could even charge $1.00 a view.

[Browns Town Bengal]

(09-30-2022, 01:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This one was pretty bad…

Did he get banned for being wrong?  Becuase he is never wrong and will defend his point to the bitter end even with gobs of evidence to the contrary.

[Sled21]

(09-30-2022, 01:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This one was pretty bad…

Dang it, missed it again. Someone PM me what happened....

[Destro]

Heard a talking head talking about how questioning a doctor’s decision is an egregious statement to make. Like, since when can a doctor not be wrong or be above questions? I have personally got second and third opinions on stuff and dealt with garbage medical professionals. Tyrod Taylor had his lung punctured by a team doctor. Sure he wasn’t supposed to do that. He still works for the team though.

Maybe he didn’t have a concussion on Sunday, but once you have one, the next one becomes fairly easy. That hit on him did not look bad at all. Granted, guys have had first concussions on less, optics are bad.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-30-2022, 08:13 AM)Destro Wrote: Heard a talking head talking about how questioning a doctor’s decision is an egregious statement to make. Like, since when can a doctor not be wrong or be above questions? I have personally got second and third opinions on stuff and dealt with garbage medical professionals. Tyrod Taylor had his lung punctured by a team doctor. Sure he wasn’t supposed to do that. He still works for the team though.

Maybe he didn’t have a concussion on Sunday, but once you have one, the next one becomes fairly easy. That hit on him did not look bad at all. Granted, guys have had first concussions on less, optics are bad.

And you are not obligated to play a player even if the Dr clears him. From what some people here who I believe know what they are talking about, the early minutes may be the only thing observable. After that patient cooperation is important.

[Nepa]

(09-30-2022, 08:13 AM)Destro Wrote: Heard a talking head talking about how questioning a doctor’s decision is an egregious statement to make. Like, since when can a doctor not be wrong or be above questions? I have personally got second and third opinions on stuff and dealt with garbage medical professionals. Tyrod Taylor had his lung punctured by a team doctor. Sure he wasn’t supposed to do that. He still works for the team though.

Maybe he didn’t have a concussion on Sunday, but once you have one, the next one becomes fairly easy. That hit on him did not look bad at all. Granted, guys have had first concussions on less, optics are bad.

If I were the NFLPA, or anyone investigating the response to Tua's symptoms on Sunday, then I'm going to ask the independent neurologist whether the person actually saw the footage of Tua stumbling around, shaking his head, losing his balance, or whether the neurologist just focused on Tua as he was presenting back in the locker room and Tua's self-report. 

Because the actual symptoms on the field needed to be part of the equation. As we have seen, several neurologists said the video of Tua's symptoms on the field were a clear sign of a concussion. The neurologist and the team's coaches need to protect the players from themselves. This was a very bad look for the NFL and the Miami coaches, to put a player back on the field as they did, because his life and health was at risk. As the one who discovered CTE said in one interview after watching Tua on Sunday, a billion dollars is not worth risking his life.

[Nepa]

Sounds like the NFLPA is really ticked off about how Tua was handled after the Sunday incident:

"NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith texted to Andrew Whitworth (a former NFLPA player rep) and Richard Sherman (a member of the NFLPA executive committee) the following message: “We insisted on these rules to avoid exactly this scenario. We will pursue every legal option, including making referrals against the doctors to licensing agencies and the team that is obligated to keep our players safe.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/demaurice-smith-vows-pursue-every-035615128.html

Mike Florio went on to say:

"Here’s the issue, as I explained it both on Football Night in America and throughout the week, on PFT Live and in this outlet. If a player shows 'gross motor instability,' he may continue only if the team physician and the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant conclude that the instability was not neurologically caused.

I posed to the league — twice — on Sunday a very simple question. How did the team physician and the UNC conclude that the gross motor instability exhibited by Tua was not neurological? Did they take Tua’s word for it that it was a back injury? Did they carefully study the know-it-when-you-see-it video that the wobbling and wooziness was not the result of a head injury?"