Worst thing Hillary ever did, and how it will hurt our nation if she is elected

[fredtoast]

I hear a lot of people claiming that Hillary is corrupt and evil. But I wonder what exactly they mean.

So what is the worst thing Hillary has ever done and how will it hurt our country if she is elected president?

And I don't want some list of vague allegations. I want specifics.

To me she made a bad decision to use a personal server, but she won't do that again. And despite the fact that both she and Colon Powell did the same thing I have yet to see how it ever damaged out national security. And if she does not do it as President it will not be problem.

But that was just one example. What I am talking about are the people who claim she has a long pattern of corruption. I just don't see any evidence of that.

[Rotobeast]

She hunts 7yr olds, in the Congo.
True story.


I know you are looking for proven issues, that's why this will be a dead thread.
She either has done nothing wrong (highly unlikely, like other politicians) or has strategically performed illegal tasks that she knew there would be a legal workaround.

Me ?
She just comes off as a sociopath, to me. (No offence to SSF, for loose association)
Yes.... it's down that road of feelings and perception of body language again, but it's all I have to go on (as a rube).


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[*bfine32*]

(08-30-2016, 11:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I hear a lot of people claiming that Hillary is corrupt and evil. But I wonder what exactly they mean.

So what is the worst thing Hillary has ever done and how will it hurt our country if she is elected president?

And I don't want some list of vague allegations. I want specifics.

To me she made a bad decision to use a personal server, but she won't do that again. And despite the fact that both she and Colon Powell did the same thing I have yet to see how it ever damaged out national security. And if she does not do it as President it will not be problem.

But that was just one example. What I am talking about are the people who claim she has a long pattern of corruption. I just don't see any evidence of that.

It's kind of hard to refute the "She won't do that again" defense. But let me throw something against the wall:

When she landed in Bosnia she said she did so under sniper fire. What is she fabricated such a story as President? We would most likely declare war. But I'm sure "she wouldn't do that again".

[*michaelsean*]

She is a habitual liar. She lied about the server, about Colin Powells advice, about what was on the server, about sniper fire, about a vast right wing conspiracy. And by many accounts she is an absolutely miserable human being

[Benton]

(08-30-2016, 12:13 PM)michaelsean Wrote: She is a habitual liar.   

Nearly politician during the last century fits that description. Except the she part.

[Vas Deferens]

The clinton foundation alone should keep her from office.  I know you're looking for specifics, so I'll enter for discussion her dealings with Boeing.  Now, any government official working in her capacity has the duty to forward US corporations interests as she did as secretary of state, but they should not be receiving additional monetary compensation directly from those corporations for doing as such.  That is the definition of corruption.  It is easy to say "everyone does it."  I prefer to root these individuals out of their footholds rather than bolster their power.  


As Hillary Clinton bolstered Boeing, company returned the favor

Quote:As a senator and later secretary of state, Hillary Clinton closely followed the bidding for the U.S. Air Force’s massive $35 billion tanker-refueling contract — a contentious process that pitted Boeing against Airbus, as well as the state of Washington against Alabama.

In February 2011, a staffer at the State Department emailed Secretary Clinton’s private address with unexpected good news: “Boeing won the contract.”

“I’m pleased,” she replied.
Among recent secretaries of state, Hillary Clinton was perhaps the most aggressive booster for big American companies overseas, particularly for Boeing, Washington’s largest private employer.
So appreciative of her sales efforts, Boeing’s then-president and CEO Jim McNerney once turned to her on stage at a government-business conference and lauded her department for advocating like no other in the past two decades: “It’s like back to the late ’80s and early ’90s all over again.”
Hillary Clinton in Seattle on Tuesday
The candidate's Seattle visit includes a public event at Rainier Beach High School.
As the unruly presidential campaign unfolds and as Washington voters prepare for Saturday’s Democratic caucuses, Clinton’s ties to Boeing have resurfaced again.
Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, who campaigned in Seattle on Sunday, criticized her at a recent debate for supporting “corporate welfare” for Boeing and other giant companies. And while Clinton’s work on behalf of Boeing has been explored in other news reports, recently disclosed messages from Clinton’s private email server give new insights into the symbiotic relationship and how much her department reveled in Boeing success.
During the periods when Secretary Clinton was pushing governments to sign deals with Boeing, the aerospace company provided financial support to help her achieve a major foreign-policy goal. Boeing also donated more than $1 million to the Clinton family’s global foundation set up by her husband, former President Clinton, and sponsored speeches that paid him six-figure sums.
On Tuesday, Clinton will begin her Washington state campaign swing by meeting with Boeing machinists in Everett. The former president of the International Association of Machinists,Tom Buffenbarger, left the job in January and said at the time he would campaign for Clinton and serve as a surrogate speaker.
The Clinton campaign did not make anyone available over the past few days to speak about her relationship with Boeing. In a statement, campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Formas said Clinton “proudly and loudly advocated on behalf of American businesses and workers and took every opportunity to promote U.S. economic interests abroad.”
Advocate for U.S. firms
Part of the role of any modern secretary of state is to advocate on behalf of American businesses abroad. Clinton, however, made corporate diplomacy a centerpiece of her work, directing senior diplomats to advocate for U.S. companies as part of their overseas visits.
At a 2012 event, for instance, Clinton introduced Boeing’s CEO to a crowd of business and diplomacy leaders, and talked about the State Department’s shift toward opening new business markets overseas for American corporate giants.
“This has not always been a traditional focus for us,” Clinton said. “So why, you might ask, is the secretary of state now spending as much time thinking about market swings as missile silos?”
The answer, she said, was that exports in sectors such as telecommunications and aerospace can drive job growth in the United States. She touted her department’s work advocating for Boeing in places like Turkey, Brazil and Vietnam.
Only weeks into Clinton’s four-year tenure as secretary of state, State Department and Boeing leaders talked about how to open up new business in Russia. Within months, she visited Moscow and made what she described as a “shameless pitch” to a Russian airline to buy Boeing passenger jets.
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“I hope that on a future visit I’ll see a lot of new [Boeing] planes when I land in Moscow,” Clinton said.
It worked. Months later, in 2010, Boeing got the deal — selling 50 jets valued at $3.7 billion.
World’s fair help

Boeing, meanwhile, was providing Clinton with support early in her tenure.
At the end of 2008, China was finalizing plans to host the 2010 world’s fair. But as most countries prepared to break ground at the exposition venue, the U.S. fundraising team was about to shut down, short on cash and without any pathway to raise the many millions needed to showcase U.S. businesses.
State Department officials warned that if the U.S. abandoned the event, there would likely be “extremely widespread” consequences — to both diplomatic and commercial interests. When former President Carter visited Shanghai in January 2009, the Chinese delegation pushed him to raise the fair on the agenda at the new Obama administration and State Department, according to a diplomatic cable made public by WikiLeaks.
A Shanghai official seemed to mock the U.S. with a half-joke, according to one cable, saying the Chinese organizers could convert the area reserved for the U.S. pavilion “to a restaurant, or better yet, a McDonald’s.”
Part of the problem was that the nonprofit tapped to raise money for the U.S. effort had been barred by the State Department from soliciting money from many big corporations, including Boeing, said U.S. exposition organizer Nick Winslow. But as the issue rose to Clinton, who made her first visit to China in February 2009, the fundraising lurched forward.
Winslow said the nonprofit was eventually able to solicit money from Boeing and others.
Winslow said he wasn’t aware of Clinton playing a role in any fundraising and that he didn’t see any political pressure. But, he added: “Knowing that it was important to the State Department, did that help? Of course it did.”
Clinton herself couldn’t solicit money, Winslow said, although the State Department now says nothing would preclude her from doing so. Clinton’s emails indicate she was closely involved with the fundraising. In early 2010, an aide emailed a list of companies and their donations, adding that Boeing was set to add even more to the effort.
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“Good work,” Clinton responded. “Let me know if I need to do anything else.”
The aide, Kris Balderston, responded by saying that Mark Penn, the chief strategist to Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, had been “very helpful.” He said “Terry” was also helpful — presumably a reference to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of Clinton’s campaign in 2008 and currently Virginia’s governor.
Boeing ultimately gave $2 million to the expo, helping revive U.S. participation and giving Clinton a major foreign-policy achievement. State Department officialscelebrated the large donation, and at an event in Shanghai five days later, Clinton singled out the company, praising Boeing as a “special sponsor.”
Foundation help
As Clinton and Boeing were aiding each other’s agendas at the State Department, the company in turn supported the Clintons outside of government.
In August 2010, soon after the Russian airliner deal, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation to support Haiti education projects. Boeing said Clinton and Boeing would work together to identify specific projects to help Haiti’s recovery from the earthquake earlier in the year.
Then in July 2012, just months after the State Department helped it secure major deals in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia, Boeing said it wanted to sponsor a speech by Bill Clinton to the Global Business Travel Association.
A State Department ethics official reviewed the proposed arrangement for conflicts of interest and, finding none, approved it. Bill Clinton was paid $250,000, public records show.
“The mere fact that an entity has some business before the Department would not necessarily have created a conflict of interest,” said John Kirby, a State Department spokesman, in an email last week.
Lisa Gilbert, who advocates for government integrity at the watchdog group Public Citizen, said what the Clintons were doing likely didn’t violate any rules. But she said it all seemed “unsavory” and would make the average person wrinkle their nose.
Boeing was also a planned sponsor for another Bill Clinton speech in September 2012, according to State Department records. He was paid $200,000 for that event.
After Secretary Clinton left the office in 2013, Boeing continued its support to her family’s interests. That year, Boeing sponsored an event in St. Louis called Clinton Global Initiative University. Disclosures by the Clinton Foundation show Boeing so far has given between $1 million and $5 million to the nonprofit.
The next year, Boeing chief lobbyist Tim Keating hosted a fundraiser at a Washington, D.C., seafood restaurant on behalf of a super PAC created to support Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid. Keating said his fundraising for Clinton is personal, not as a representative of Boeing. He also dismissed the idea that Boeing might have donated to causes to curry favor with the Clintons.
Criticism from Sanders
Now in the midst of the presidential primary, Clinton has continued to come to Boeing’s defense.
Before his surprise win in Michigan, Sen. Bernie Sanders hammered Clinton in a CNN sponsored debate for her support of free-trade agreements. He then mocked the U.S. Export-Import Bank, a federal agency that provides insurance and financing to aid international transactions, calling it “The Bank of Boeing” and a form of corporate welfare.
Clinton defended the bank, saying it preserved U.S. jobs and helped companies of all sizes.
CNN moderator Anderson Cooper noted that Boeing and other big corporations get most of the Ex-Im support. “Do they really need this money?” he asked her.
Clinton said she “investigated” whether Boeing did need the financial support. “I’ll tell you what, Anderson,” Clinton replied. “…I concluded that they did.”

[Arturo Bandini]

(08-30-2016, 12:13 PM)michaelsean Wrote: She is a habitual liar.  She lied about the server, about Colin Powells advice, about what was on the server, about sniper fire, about a vast right wing conspiracy.  And by many accounts she is an absolutely miserable human being

Colin Powell lied to the world's face with his WMD in Iraq and Anthrax. 10 years after this lie ISIS was born after a political chaos left behind George W Bush's crusade.

[*michaelsean*]

(08-30-2016, 01:38 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Colin Powell lied to the world's face with his WMD in Iraq and Anthrax. 10 years after this lie ISIS was born after a political chaos left behind George W Bush's crusade.

Well I'll keep that in mind if he ever runs forPresident.

[fredtoast]

(08-30-2016, 01:29 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: The clinton foundation alone should keep her from office.  I know you're looking for specifics, so I'll enter for discussion her dealings with Boeing.  Now, any government official working in her capacity has the duty to forward US corporations interests as she did as secretary of state, but they should not be receiving additional monetary compensation directly from those corporations for doing as such.  That is the definition of corruption.  It is easy to say "everyone does it."  I prefer to root these individuals out of their footholds rather than bolster their power.  

The Clinton Foundation is a charitable organization that fights poverty all around the world.  Donations to the foundation do not go into Hillary's pockets.

Boeing is an American company while Airbus is  foreign company.  So why wouldn't she be happy that Boeing won the contract.

I really don't see anything wrong with the Secretary of State promoting American businesses in foreign countries.  In fact i think it is a good idea.  Why does it upset you so much?

[Vas Deferens]

(08-30-2016, 02:32 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The Clinton Foundation is a charitable organization that fights poverty all around the world.  Donations to the foundation do not go into Hillary's pockets.

The Clinton Foundation may advance some very noble causes, but to say that the Clintons and their inner circle don't benefit from its coffers is ridiculous. 

Quote:Boeing is an American company while Airbus is  foreign company.  So why wouldn't she be happy that Boeing won the contract.


I really don't see anything wrong with the Secretary of State promoting American businesses in foreign countries.  In fact i think it is a good idea.  Why does it upset you so much?

Again.  I agree that the Secretary of State should be advancing US business.  That is what they are put into that position to do.

My problem with it is when those US business' start giving said ELECTED OFFICIALS kickbacks under the table.  I don't want corporations buying government influence.  Classifying it as a 'charitable foundation' makes it no less corrupt.

[fredtoast]

(08-30-2016, 03:04 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: The Clinton Foundation may advance some very noble causes, but to say that the Clintons and their inner circle don't benefit from its coffers is ridiculous. 

No it isn't.
The foundations finances are public record.

[fredtoast]

(08-30-2016, 03:04 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: My problem with it is when those US business' start giving said ELECTED OFFICIALS kickbacks under the table.  I don't want corporations buying government influence.  Classifying it as a 'charitable foundation' makes it no less corrupt.

Yes it does.

It makes it much less corrupt than the lobbyists in DC who pump BILLIONS into the campaign funds of politicians.

Wouldn't you rather that money go toward fighting poverty than going into an officals campaign coffer?

[xxlt]

(08-30-2016, 11:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I hear a lot of people claiming that Hillary is corrupt and evil.  But I wonder what exactly they mean.

So what is the worst thing Hillary has ever done and how will it hurt our country if she is elected president?

And I don't want some list of vague allegations.  I want specifics.

To me she made a bad decision to use a personal server, but she won't do that again.  And despite the fact that both she and Colon Powell did the same thing I have yet to see how it ever damaged out national security.  And if she does not do it as President it will not be  problem.

But that was just one example.  What I am talking about are the people who claim she has a long pattern of corruption. I just don't see any evidence of that.

Rep x a million.

[xxlt]

(08-30-2016, 11:47 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: She hunts 7yr olds, in the Congo.
True story.


I know you are looking for proven issues, that's why this will be a dead thread.
She either has done nothing wrong (highly unlikely, like other politicians) or has strategically performed illegal tasks that she knew there would be a legal workaround.

Me ?
She just comes off as a sociopath, to me. (No offence to SSF, for loose association)
Yes.... it's down that road of feelings and perception of body language again, but it's all I have to go on (as a rube).


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In her defense, that is legal in the Congo 8 months of the year, with a limit of 13 per week on the 7 year-olds with proper permitting.

Google "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo, I don't want to leave the Congo" and you may be in for a real treat!

[xxlt]

(08-30-2016, 09:44 PM)xxlt Wrote: In her defense, that is legal in the Congo 8 months of the year, with a limit of 13 per week on the 7 year-olds with proper permitting.

Google "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo, I don't want to leave the Congo" and you may be in for a real treat!

You will indeed be in for a treat. God bless Woody Herman and God bless America!

[*bfine32*]

(08-30-2016, 09:46 PM)xxlt Wrote: You will indeed be in for a treat. God bless Woody Herman and God bless America!

Did u forget to change accounts?

[xxlt]

(08-30-2016, 09:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did u forget to change accounts?

Not at all. I so enjoy that song I wondered if it was in fact available on the interwebs. I have told many people about it but the vast majority have never heard it. So, I checked it out and shared the good news that it is indeed there for others to enjoy. It was featured in a wonderful movie I saw many years ago and I hope now that I have confirmed availability for others hear it that they will do so. I can almost predict several members with whom I swap music tips will check it out.

[Rotobeast]

(08-30-2016, 09:44 PM)xxlt Wrote: In her defense, that is legal in the Congo 8 months of the year, with a limit of 13 per week on the 7 year-olds with proper permitting.

Google "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo, I don't want to leave the Congo" and you may be in for a real treat!

But we both know she's above permits.
Not to mention, the rhino horn bullets she has custom made for the task.

I heard Wikileaks has an e-mail in which she bragged about raping Cecil the lion, weakening him for the dentist's hunt.
This was of course only after a generous donation to the Clinton Foundation, by the tooth jockey.


Btw... cool song.
There is much to be said of a simpler life.



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[NATI BENGALS]

So the worst thing she did was help an american company beat out a foreign company for a contract?

Hmm...

[*PhilHos*]

Has everyone already forgot that Hillary BROKE THE LAW? The fact that I have to even bring it up is really sad. But, I wouldn't even say that's the worst thing about her. The worst thing about her is the lying. I know Benton tried to lessen it by reminding us that pretty much every politician lies, but the fact remains is that she's already been caught in numerous lies AND that alone should be enough. I mean, how are you to believe a proven liar in ANYTHING he or she says?

I can understand those that are voting for Hillary because they don't want Trump to be president, but I can't understand anyone who supports Hillary because of what she says she will do. SHE'S A LIAR. How are we to know that NOW it's the truth?

She's a liar and corrupt and you want to make her the most powerful person in the country? What do you think that THEN she'll tell the truth and stop being corrupt? Child, please.

How about this, why don't you Hillary supporters tell us all why she would make a good president without mentioning Trump? Also without mentioning anything she's said she would do because as a proven liar, we can't take her word for anything.