Tez takes this D to new levels when he's on the field. This is a good signing. The Bengals essentially said I'll give you 13 million a year to PLAY football. That's a pretty big motivation, right?

(09-08-2017, 08:40 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Tez takes this D to new levels when he's on the field. This is a good signing. The Bengals essentially said I'll give you 13 million a year to PLAY football. That's a pretty big motivation, right?

And with a weekly roster bonus of 138,000, he has a lot of incentive to not get suspended.

Here's the details around his contract, per Profootball

Quote:Per a source with knowledge of the contract, here are the details of the deal:

1. $3.3 million signing bonus.

2. 2017 base salary of $7.936 million.

3. 2018 roster bonus of $2 million, due March 31, 2018.

4. 2018 base salary of $3.81 million.

5. 2019 base salary of $5 million.

6. 2020 base salary of $6.188 million.

7. Annual per-game roster bonuses $2.25 million in 2018, 2019, 2020.

8. Offseason workout bonuses of $500,000 for 2018, 2019, 2020.

9. He also has escalators based on Pro Bowl appearances of $250,000 per year, which doubles for two and triples for three, which can (with three Pro Bowl appearances from 2017 through 2019) add another $1.5 million.

Here are the highlights of the deal:

1. The only guarantee is the signing bonus.

2. The $2.25 million per year in per-game roster bonuses in 2018 through 2020 ties a whopping $132,352 to his ability to suit up each and every week. For any absence from the active roster (suspension or injury), the $132,352 disappears.

3. The increase in Burfict’s base salary from $3.95 million to $7.936 million inflates his game checks from $232,352 to $466,823. Which, in turn, bumps the price of his three-game suspension from $697,056 to $1.4 million.

(09-08-2017, 08:43 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Here's the details around his contract, per Profootball

Was about to post the same. Good contract for the Bengals, and good for Burfict too if he stays on the field.

Bengals still have ~$15 mill in cap space left to work out extension for Eifert depending on when they can get it in.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/

This is good news for Cincinnati and bad news for the rest of the NFL. Let's give credit where it's due: To Marvin Lewis for taking a chance on Vontaze Burfict in 2012, to Mike Zimmer and Paul Guenther for believing in him, and developing him, and most of all to Mike Brown for getting who will become his best defensive player in Bengal history some well-earned dinero.

Congratulations to Vontaze himself, of course. He's one of my favorite players because he can put the entire defense on his shoulders and make the other ten men on the field better as a result.

(09-08-2017, 08:43 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Here's the details around his contract, per Profootball

Great contract for both sides and the game roster bonus protects the bengals and no guarantees other than the signing bonus is huge, Now please teach him to tackle from belly to knees with force instead of the neck and head area.

Bell has to be scared of the possibility of facing Burfict 2x a year the next 4 years, That alone makes this a great deal.

Again, the FO tries and succeeds locking up one of their own and one of the best in the NFL. Burfict brings a nastiness to our defense much like Ray Lewis, Harrison and others in our division did years ago.

(09-08-2017, 09:15 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Was about to post the same. Good contract for the Bengals, and good for Burfict too if he stays on the field.

Bengals still have ~$15 mill in cap space left to work out extension for Eifert depending on when they can get it in.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/

Nope, Spotrac still has his old contract on their page in those numbers. They really have about $5 mil remaining.

(09-08-2017, 09:52 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: This is good news for Cincinnati and bad news for the rest of the NFL. Let's give credit where it's due: To Marvin Lewis for taking a chance on Vontaze Burfict in 2012, to Mike Zimmer and Paul Guenther for believing in him, and developing him, and most of all to Mike Brown for getting who will become his best defensive player in Bengal history some well-earned dinero.

Congratulations to Vontaze himself, of course. He's one of my favorite players because he can put the entire defense on his shoulders and make the other ten men on the field better as a result.

Geno is arguably the best defensive playerin team history, let alone under MB.

And Dunlap is better than Burfict as well.

Geno especially though; the man is untouchable.

(09-08-2017, 09:58 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Geno is arguably the best defensive playerin team history, let alone under MB.

And Dunlap is better than Burfict as well.

Geno especially though; the man is untouchable.

No argument here, mio amico, but please notice I used future tense....

(09-08-2017, 06:22 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, all the guys ahead of him have had double digit sack seasons.
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I don't care for this deal because I can't believe any other team was going to offer him anything close to this.

-He's had an extensive concussion history (ended the '16 season missing the last two games due to concussion, missed a couple games in '14 with a concussion) and is one big concussion from missing a season.
-He's had microfracture knee surgery ('14-'15 offseason).
-The NFL is looking to suspend him for ANYTHING even if it's a BS suspension and is one questionable hit away from getting 8 games.
-He showed up in '16 and wasn't even in shape.
-He hurts himself in nearly every game he plays in.
-He's missed 22 games the last 3 years and is already going to miss at least 3 more this year.


There's no question that Burfict is an extremely talented player, but lets face it. He's a pretty shitty investment. I think when Burfict comes back from suspension and inevitably concusses himself again this season, missing 2-3 more games and finishes another season with ~10 games played, or makes an even moderately questionable hit and the NFL goes back to their witch hunt, the Bengals will look awfully foolish knowing that they could have gotten him for more like $8m/yr.

I think it's perfectly fair for any Bengals fan to have concerns about the concussions and some of the some of the borderline dirty/stupid stuff he does on the field at times, and the fact that he's racked up a lot of missed time due to injuries and suspensions. 

However, there's no denying that Tez is the leader of the D, and he plays with more fire and passion for the game than anyone else on the roster. He's an impact player with the ability to change games when he's in there. That's not something that's easy to find or replace. 

While I had concerns about giving him an extension, those concerns are offset by the fact that the Bengals did a helluva job with the new deal. Not only is it a low risk investment in case things don't work out, but also gives Tez greater incentive to play in as many games as possible. 

So, great job by Mike/Katie in crafting that deal, and making sure Tez will remain a Bengals through 2020.  

Locked up a great player with a team friendly contract.

Very good.

He's definitely a good player.

I just question if a defense can be built around a LB that averages playing 11 games a year due to concussions, suspensions, and knee issues.

When he's on the field...our defense is next level.

Are we better off paying a guy to play 11 games a year...or moving on and finding a guy who can play all 16? Time will tell I suppose.

I do love that he plays hard and is a big hitter. He does give us an edge.

(09-08-2017, 10:27 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He's definitely a good player.

I just question if a defense can be built around a LB that averages playing 11 games a year due to concussions, suspensions, and knee issues.

When he's on the field...our defense is next level.

Are we better off paying a guy to play 11 games a year...or moving on and finding a guy who can play all 16? Time will tell I suppose.

I do love that he plays hard and is a big hitter. He does give us an edge.

Definitely fair concerns shared by many. I always ask myself a question on whether to sign a player.

Would I want him to play against us? Would I want him to play against possibly twice a year in a Steeler, Ravens or Browns uniform? The answer is hell no, so I am glad he is a Bengal for 4 more years. If he gets injured, like others it is the risk of the NFL and we don't have to pay him. If he gets suspended, we are covered also financially.

(09-08-2017, 09:54 AM)Joelist Wrote: Nope, Spotrac still has his old contract on their page in those numbers. They really have about $5 mil remaining.

Good catch. I clicked on Burfict's name and saw this, so I assumed it was factored in:
Vontaze Burfict signed a 3 year, $38,680,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $3,300,000 signing bonus, and an average annual salary of $12,893,333. In 2017, Burfict will earn a base salary of $775,000 and a workout bonus of $200,000, while carrying a cap hit of $4,063,235.

Contract Terms: 3 yr(s) / $38,680,000
Signing Bonus $3,300,000
Average Salary$12,893,333
GTD at Sign:-
Total GTD:-
Free Agent:2021 / UFA

But it shows Vontaze with a cap hit of $4 mill this year.

According to the details of the new contract, base salary for this year will be $8 mill (so remove $4 mill from the 2017 cap...now down to $11 mill remaining). I also assume that the $3.3 mill signing bonus also goes in against the cap this year, therefore taking the cap down from $11 mill to $7.7 mill?

And if you factor in the Bengals typically reserve a few mill for injuries, then yea it's right about your estimate of $5 mill remaining.

(09-07-2017, 10:29 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I agree that he's been smarter...but he still leads with his head on tackles...and he's been suspended already this season.

If there is a questionable tackle...it's going to go against him...just like the one in the KC game.

Homers are gonna home. You guys can all talk about him like he's going to play 16 games a year and do nothing stupid...but he averages 11 games played a year.

Also, I think this extension makes it more likely that Marvin returns as coach.

Not sure I follow how this has anything to do with Marvin and his status next year?

(09-08-2017, 10:01 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: No argument here, mio amico, but please notice I used future tense....

Capito!

But at the end of all three of their careers, I still think Geno and Dunlap will be the two best defenders in the MB era :)

Going off of stats and anecdotes, on the old guys and the tons of tape I've seen in my life, for top 5 Begals defensive players, I'd say:

5. Dunlap
4. Krumrie
3. Reid
2. Riley
1. Geno

I know I'm probably forgetting someone huge, but that's what I'd put.

Geno and Dunlap are going to be our #1 and #2 with career sacks as Bengals, barring a career-ending injury and both are dominant run defenders, as well they stack up as the top 3 (or best) in the league at their positions.

(09-08-2017, 03:29 AM)Atomic Orange Wrote: At first i was like whats the rush?

And then i was like does this set a good example for Tez considering the suspension he just received?  It's like spanking err i mean sending your kid to timeout and then taking them to Chuck E Cheese right after. If the owner feels Tez is being signaled out he needs to ***** speak up. Loudly.

And then i saw the guarantee and now i'm cool with it.

I love it. It is the organization standing behind him in wake of the bullshit suspension for a legal hit. Like Bonnie said, giving the NFL the middle finger.

(09-08-2017, 09:58 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Geno is arguably the best defensive playerin team history, let alone under MB.

And Dunlap is better than Burfict as well.

Geno especially though; the man is untouchable.

Love Geno, but I do not know that I would put him in front of pre injury Krumrie...

(09-08-2017, 09:54 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bell has to be scared of the possibility of facing Burfict 2x a year the next 4 years, That alone makes this a great deal.

Bell tore an MCL jus reading about it......

(09-08-2017, 09:15 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Was about to post the same. Good contract for the Bengals, and good for Burfict too if he stays on the field.

Bengals still have ~$15 mill in cap space left to work out extension for Eifert depending on when they can get it in.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/

I just read 11 million was added to the 2017 cap so Bengals only have around 5 million left.