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(05-26-2025, 09:49 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Giving Florio clicks…

Post of the day.  I rarely click on anything he posts.  The few times I do it’s bengals related.  Then I quickly remember why I don’t click on his posts.  Total asshat.  

(05-26-2025, 08:26 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]Everything i've read says it's the Bengals doing this for the first time, for Shemar's contract only. And i don't know of any other teams doing the same.

I'm open to seeing who else does it and adjusting my thoughts. 

Yeah, we will see. Not going to freak out yet, Mims didn't get signed until June, so no big deal to me yet.

(05-26-2025, 09:49 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Giving Florio clicks…

So true.

(05-27-2025, 12:27 AM)Summerall-Madden Wrote: [ -> ]Hope they can come to a conclusion before camp but more times than naught, they don't show up in training camp.

When is the last time a player didn't show up to training camp again? I think people just like to make things up around here.

The Bengals want to start to drastically change their rookie contract language to make it much more advantageous for themselves, and much worse and risky for the new players they are trying to sign. No other teams in the NFL are proposing what the Bengals want to do in their rookie contracts.

Bengals Fans 'The Media is always out to get the poor Bengals'

(05-26-2025, 02:34 PM)c766 Wrote: [ -> ]Forget the cheap and miserly ways of the Bengals - they have been like this for decades

It is also amusing, at least to me, that the pick who is not signed had 4 sacks in 3 years of college.

Its just so benagls to totally wiff on the pick, and then botch getting him signed as well. 

How do you know they wiff'd? 
Are you a super scout?
Do you have a crack team of specialist that have been crunching numbers and creating flow charts to determine his "wiffness" 
i bet you are one of those floating bodies that can see the future like in the movie Minority Report
Give the kid a chance and stop being so damn pessimistic ...

Again, if Stewart and his agent have a problem with a specific part of the contract then man up and let everyone know what it is in the contract you think is wrong for the player to sign instead of leaking stuff that doesnt get to the specific issue.  

Why would the Bengals and other NFL teams start putting stuff in contracts that voids the rest of the years?   My guess is it has to do with player behavior off the field.  After what happened with Rashee Rice last year injuring people being stupid racing cars having learned nothing from Henry Ruggs after having numerous NFL players assaulting people including their girlfriends, I think teams have gotten to the point where they want to be able to get rid of guys like this.  Why should you have your contract guaranteed if that is the type of behavior you engage in?  A team has to keep you or pay you your guaranteed contract?  My guess is it comes down to off field behavior.

(05-27-2025, 01:55 PM)The Clapp Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know they wiff'd? 
Are you a super scout?
Do you have a crack team of specialist that have been crunching numbers and creating flow charts to determine his "wiffness" 
i bet you are one of those floating bodies that can see the future like in the movie Minority Report
Give the kid a chance and stop being so damn pessimistic ...

This same group drafted Myles Murphy 24 months ago. LOL

(05-23-2025, 06:04 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: [ -> ]Those are part of a league program, The NFL Performance Based Pay System.  They have nothing to do with the language in the contract.

Oh I know they are, but Bengals can control how much playing time Stewart gets so he can't get those extra bonuses lol.
And what better way to justify not playing someone because they started later in their development?

Hopefully gets done asap. We need as much work together as they can get.

It's becoming a yearly thing where there's some contract drama with at least one player.
For the past few years, it's been, "What's going to happen with Hendrickson, Higgins, and Chase?"
And while the question still is out there for Hendrickson, we're getting into rookie contract drama now.

For once, I'd love to see contracts hashed out early and everyone on the field for offseason/preseason getting as many possible reps in as they all can.

Shemar’s father said on the podcast 4th and forever that it is 100% a language dispute. Give them identical language to Mims’s contract and it will be signed

(05-27-2025, 01:38 PM)c766 Wrote: [ -> ]The Bengals want to start to drastically change their rookie contract language to make it much  more advantageous for themselves, and much worse and risky for the new players they are trying to sign.  No other teams in the NFL are proposing what the Bengals want to do in their rookie contracts.  

Bengals Fans 'The Media is always out to get the poor Bengals'

Bingo. 

We went out of our way to pick a fight instead of improving the team snd getting guys into camp. Particularly a raw rookie.

They've been saying it's the language of the contract, and we all kind of assumed that it was just the FO screwing things up like usual, but more details about the specific language that is the problem came out today, and I actually side with the team on this.

The wording is apparently just the team protecting itself from Stewart acting a fool and being a problem, which, being an adult that's going to make millions of dollars, why shouldn't he be held to standards that common people making minimum wage are held to?

This doesn't sound like something that would stop me from signing a multi-million dollar contract:

Quote:"They're [the Bengals] basically putting in a default clause that says, if the player defaults and a default could be a breach like a discipline issue, a steroid or drug test issue, a morals clause issue, getting in trouble, being suspended, being fined, whatever default is defined as, you can void future guarantees,"

Just don't do steroids or drugs, ok.

Don't break the law and be a decent human being, ok.

Follow the rules of the game, ok.

And let's be honest, they're not going to void any years or risk pissing him off and losing him as a player for anything minor like a personal foul or getting arrested for jay walking. They're talking about no arrests for drugs, violence, DUIs, or anything like that.

This is the organization finally saying "we (and the league) have a standard that you must abide by to play on this team, so just be a decent human being and we'll make you a rich man."

I honestly gained a little bit more respect for the organization for taking this stance and Stewart needs to grow up and start acting like an adult. He needs to realize that this is a business.

im already over this kid.

(05-29-2025, 12:43 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: [ -> ]They've been saying it's the language of the contract, and we all kind of assumed that it was just the FO screwing things up like usual, but more details about the specific language that is the problem came out today, and I actually side with the team on this.

The wording is apparently just the team protecting itself from Stewart acting a fool and being a problem, which, being an adult that's going to make millions of dollars, why shouldn't he be held to standards that common people making minimum wage are held to?

This doesn't sound like something that would stop me from signing a multi-million dollar contract:


Just don't do steroids or drugs, ok.

Don't break the law and be a decent human being, ok.

Follow the rules of the game, ok.

And let's be honest, they're not going to void any years or risk pissing him off and losing him as a player for anything minor like a personal foul or getting arrested for jay walking. They're talking about no arrests for drugs, violence, DUIs, or anything like that.

This is the organization finally saying "we (and the league) have a standard that you must abide by to play on this team, so just be a decent human being and we'll make you a rich man."

I honestly gained a little bit more respect for the organization for taking this stance and Stewart needs to grow up and start acting like an adult. He needs to realize that this is a business.

That's a truly terrible take, Brad.

Look at the list of potential defaults... "discipline issue", "being fined"... so being 15 minutes late for a single meeting (once any time over a 4 year span) is a "discipline issue" and would then void $15m guaranteed. Putting your weight on a QB when sacking them or accidentally getting some facemask with your hand is a fineable penalty, voiding $15m guaranteed. Hell, "morals clause" is just a loose and nonsensically wide criteria that a tweet or instagram post can be used if you're legally enjoying the offseason with some alcohol and unmarried women in bikinis.

"Lets be honest"... if they weren't wanting the ability to take away guaranteed money off ticky-tack BS, they wouldn't include ticky-tack BS as a trigger. Why the hell would you give a billionaire the ability to snatch away all of your guaranteed money with only a "trust us bro" as the only thing keeping them from doing it?

He IS acting like an adult and knows it's a business. That's why you don't willingly give away all power and leverage over your money to someone else who would love nothing more than to find a reason to not have to pay you. It's a business, so get your money guaranteed and don't give anyone an opening to take it from you.

(05-29-2025, 01:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]That's a truly terrible take, Brad.

Look at the list of potential defaults... "discipline issue", "being fined"... so being 15 minutes late for a single meeting (once any time over a 4 year span) is a "discipline issue" and would then void $15m guaranteed. Putting your weight on a QB when sacking them or accidentally getting some facemask with your hand is a fineable penalty, voiding $15m guaranteed. Hell, "morals clause" is just a loose and nonsensically wide criteria that a tweet or instagram post can be used if you're legally enjoying the offseason with some alcohol and unmarried women in bikinis.

"Lets be honest"... if they weren't wanting the ability to take away guaranteed money off ticky-tack BS, they wouldn't include ticky-tack BS as a trigger. Why the hell would you give a billionaire the ability to snatch away all of your guaranteed money with only a "trust us bro" as the only thing keeping them from doing it?

He IS acting like an adult and knows it's a business. That's why you don't willingly give away all power and leverage over your money to someone else who would love nothing more than to find a reason to not have to pay you. It's a business, so get your money guaranteed and don't give anyone an opening to take it from you.

100% correct. Just amazing how shallow posters can be. They've never done this before and probably allowing what Burton did a season ago determine future protocol. Shitty but typical move by this franchise.

(05-29-2025, 01:36 PM)higgy100 Wrote: [ -> ]100% correct. Just amazing how shallow posters can be. They've never done this before and probably allowing what Burton did a season ago determine future protocol. Shitty but typical move by this franchise.

Well heck, let's just tell them that they can never change a rule because no one wants to be the guy who gets the new rule first. 

I just want to see what SS can do.

(05-29-2025, 03:36 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to see what SS can do.

About a sack per season and ton of missed tackles

From the articles I've read and some of his statements, I get the feeling that Stewart's father is the one messing up the contract signing. A whole lot of "we need this" and "we need that."

Shemar Stewart is the only healthy first rounder in the NFL not participating in the offseason program(s)

Why? Because the Bengals wants to paper a new contract with less risk and make him the first one to agree to it.

Hilarious.