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(07-23-2025, 05:22 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been AI, I don't know, I'm at work and just quickly googled the age NFL DE's decline. Who cares if it's AI or not, is the information wrong???????
I trust AI about as much as I trust sports writers, so have at it.

 I'm not trying to pick on you.   I just feel like if you are going to quote something a link to the source is a good idea.   Also if you are going to quote something as fact where it states a player peaks around age 26 when talking football and defensive ends in particular an article specifically studying baseball players is not the best source.  Although it may be true for football players and defensive ends as well.  But saying it may be AI who cares? Is kind of like saying it may be total BS but who cares?  We don't know how much of what you quoted is true because the only source linked is again, about baseball players.

(07-23-2025, 05:22 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been AI, I don't know, I'm at work and just quickly googled the age NFL DE's decline. Who cares if it's AI or not, is the information wrong???????
I trust AI about as much as I trust sports writers, so have at it.

"I can't be assed to do my own research and find proof for my viewpoint, so here's some AI slop, now YOU do the work of disproving my AI slop."



(Alternatively I guess I could just ask AI to write a response about how you're wrong and it'd just as happily make up slop to prove you wrong.)

(07-23-2025, 05:22 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been AI, I don't know, I'm at work and just quickly googled the age NFL DE's decline. Who cares if it's AI or not, is the information wrong???????
I trust AI about as much as I trust sports writers, so have at it.

Doing your own research instead of relying solely on an AI tool and copy/pasting its responses into an open debate can be a smarter, more credible, and more respectful approach. Here’s why:

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? Deeper Understanding and Retention
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• Understand the nuances of the issue.
• Form your own informed opinions rather than parroting someone else's.
• Retain the knowledge, which helps you adapt during a live or dynamic discussion.
  

Relying on a copy/pasted summary might make you look informed on the surface but leave you unprepared for follow-up questions or counterpoints.

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? Source Awareness and Credibility
When you do your own research, you can:

• Evaluate the credibility of your sources.
• Verify the context and see whether the facts are widely accepted or contested.
• Cite specific authors or studies, which adds intellectual weight and accountability to your argument.
  

Copy/pasting AI-generated text doesn't give you visibility into the sources unless you explicitly request citations—and even then, it's better to check those sources yourself.

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Debate isn’t just about having the "right" answer—it’s about how you:

• Construct arguments.
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Doing your own research sharpens these skills, whereas copy/pasting text tends to flatten them. It can come off as evasive or even intellectually lazy to your audience.

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?️ Avoiding Misuse or Errors
AI-generated content can sometimes:

• Be outdated or subtly incorrect.
• Miss important context or caveats.
• Sound overconfident in uncertain areas.
  

If you post my responses without vetting them, you risk sharing misleading or flawed arguments, which can damage your credibility.

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? Respect for the Discussion Space
In an open forum:

• People expect engaged discussion, not just regurgitated text.
• Thoughtful contributions earn more respect and are more persuasive.
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Taking the time to research shows that you’re genuinely invested in the conversation.

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✅ Bottom Line
Use tools like AI to get started, gather leads, or clarify complex ideas. But treat that as a launchpad—not a shortcut. Your own engagement with the material is what makes your argument compelling, credible, and capable of standing up to real scrutiny.

(07-23-2025, 05:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]Is all that money better spent on an aging player who "may be great" again for one, maybe two seasons, or upgrading several positions across the defense with the same money? 

Seeing how none of the draft and develop technique has worked out well with several players drafted in recent years (yes, the jury is still out on a couple), it's very important to keep what star power they have on the defense. Let's be real here, with the money the are potentially going to spend on Trey, it's not like they're going to invest it in some can't miss up and coming players that somehow their current teams just allowed them to float off to the Bengals.

I mean, I'm hoping for guys like Myles Murphy and Joseph Ossai to come into their own as much as the next fan, but I'm not counting on much excitement.

(07-23-2025, 05:22 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been AI, I don't know, I'm at work and just quickly googled the age NFL DE's decline. Who cares if it's AI or not, is the information wrong???????
I trust AI about as much as I trust sports writers, so have at it.

Im not AI hater outside of the stupid crap we use it for and that it consumes so much energy. I also missed the context of this but did want to say while the AI is most likely correct on the age of decline for DEs a more detailed search among players that match Trey production data historically may be more accurate. 

(07-23-2025, 05:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing how none of the draft and develop technique has worked out well with several players drafted in recent years (yes, the jury is still out on a couple), it's very important to keep what star power they have on the defense. Let's be real here, with the money the are potentially going to spend on Trey, it's not like they're going to invest it in some can't miss up and coming players that somehow their current teams just allowed them to float off to the Bengals.

Every year people say we can add talent when the final roster cuts happen. I dont know that I've ever seen that happen. We've obviously had significant player for player trades that have occurred. If we are at a true impasse with Trey (which i doubt) than a player swap could be interesting. Im not liking the IOL we appear to heading into the season with so that could be interesting. But not having Stewart in the fold makes that unlikely. 

(07-23-2025, 06:06 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]Every year people say we can add talent when the final roster cuts happen. I dont know that I've ever seen that happen. We've obviously had significant player for player trades that have occurred. If we are at a true impasse with Trey (which i doubt) than a player swap could be interesting. Im not liking the IOL we appear to heading into the season with so that could be interesting. But not having Stewart in the fold makes that unlikely. 

Here's the thing, they don't need to spend huge to upgrade the IOL. There are still a few veterans out there who are battle tested and fully ready to plug and play for a moderate to modest year's pay. Brandon Scherff, anyone??

Instead they team did what they always resort to, the cheapest possible "fix".

(07-23-2025, 05:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing how none of the draft and develop technique has worked out well with several players drafted in recent years (yes, the jury is still out on a couple), it's very important to keep what star power they have on the defense. Let's be real here, with the money the are potentially going to spend on Trey, it's not like they're going to invest it in some can't miss up and coming players that somehow their current teams just allowed them to float off to the Bengals.

I mean, I'm hoping for guys like Myles Murphy and Joseph Ossai to come into their own as much as the next fan, but I'm not counting on much excitement.

Murphy and Ossai are who they're shown they are. 

(07-23-2025, 06:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the thing, they don't need to spend huge to upgrade the IOL. There are still a few veterans out there who are battle tested and fully ready to plug and play for a moderate to modest year's pay. Brandon Scherff, anyone??

Instead they team did what they always resort to, the cheapest possible "fix".

It would be nice if the Bengals would get Trey and Stewart figured out and get a vet in the building on the IOL. Its not something I expect but one can hope.

(07-23-2025, 06:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the thing, they don't need to spend huge to upgrade the IOL. There are still a few veterans out there who are battle tested and fully ready to plug and play for a moderate to modest year's pay. Brandon Scherff, anyone??

Instead they team did what they always resort to, the cheapest possible "fix".

Band-Aids on bullet holes: Front Office philosophy on interior O line for most of the past 34 years. Having a quality interior O line has been the exception and not the rule. Sad thing is the Playoff appearances have usually coincided with a quality interior O-line.

(07-23-2025, 06:20 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: [ -> ]Murphy and Ossai are who they're shown they are. 

In fairness to Murphy he hasn’t played a ton. In fairness to your post what he’s shown hasn’t been inspiring.

(07-23-2025, 06:29 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: [ -> ]In fairness to Murphy he hasn’t played a ton.  In fairness to your post what he’s shown hasn’t been inspiring.

Basing my opinion on the people I follow that break down film. Murphys more impressive reps have been at the RDE spot (Treys spot if RDE isn't correct) so his reps have been limited there. So presuming Trey and Stewart are signed soon. It may be Trey/Murphy and Ossai/Stewart so maybe we see more flashes from Murphy on that side if it plays out that way.

(07-23-2025, 06:25 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice if the Bengals would get Trey and Stewart figured out and get a vet in the building on the IOL. Its not something I expect but one can hope.

It would not break my heart to add a vet OL and of course great to get our 2 DE's in camp.

My concern is why has noone else signed these OG's still availablle. Hernandez is probably still recovering from knee surgery, but others are not. Are they really an upgrade or are the just names we think are better than Ford and Patrick. For one, I think Volson may still have a future and I am looking to see if Peters can improve him.

(07-23-2025, 06:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the thing, they don't need to spend huge to upgrade the IOL. There are still a few veterans out there who are battle tested and fully ready to plug and play for a moderate to modest year's pay. Brandon Scherff, anyone??

Instead they team did what they always resort to, the cheapest possible "fix".

he is not getting a sniff from anyone, age and injuries, im reading possible retirement coming.

(07-23-2025, 08:02 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]It would not break my heart to add a vet OL and of course great to get our 2 DE's in camp.

My concern is why has noone else signed these OG's still availablle. Hernandez is probably still recovering from knee surgery, but others are not. Are they really an upgrade or are the just names we think are better than Ford and Patrick. For one, I think Volson may still have a future and I am looking to see if Peters can improve him.

All the Vets have question marks but they would undoubtedly improve our roster. There are always and are right now vets at all positions that can it will probably be picked up and be quality starters for teams around the league. I get the optimism but there is enough data on Volson and Ford to know what they are to wish and hope when the face of your franchise depends on them being good at there job is a poor strategy. I'm not expecting any moves outside of the DEs getting signed at some point but thats my wishful thinking.

(07-23-2025, 01:18 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: [ -> ]I think MB wants to win a Super Bowl. He just doesn’t know how. He thinks he’s right, all the time. Hes a smart man, and a good business man. But in sports you can’t always look at just the numbers if you want to win. But winning super bowls = more money. And he knows it, he just thinks his way of running a football team is best.

Mike Brown “ it’d be nice to win a SB” vs Most “ I’m going to be up on that platform hoisting the the Vince Lombardi trophy.

(07-23-2025, 05:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]"I can't be assed to do my own research and find proof for my viewpoint, so here's some AI slop, now YOU do the work of disproving my AI slop."



(Alternatively I guess I could just ask AI to write a response about how you're wrong and it'd just as happily make up slop to prove you wrong.)

So again, you attack the source and not the information. Got it.

(07-23-2025, 06:00 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]Im not AI hater outside of the stupid crap we use it for and that it consumes so much energy. I also missed the context of this but did want to say while the AI is most likely correct on the age of decline for DEs a more detailed search among players that match Trey production data historically may be more accurate. 

When people can't dispute the statement, they attack the source. 

(07-24-2025, 08:05 AM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]When people can't dispute the statement, they attack the source. 

I wasn't attacking the source I was saying a more detailed search could be better. It said most DEs decline in theyre late 20s which I would tend to agree with. But Trey has led the league in sacks the last 2 years so he clearly doesnt fall into that group. The data I've seen presented of players that fit similarly to his career production data is that they have a gradual decline going into there 30s. Baring injury it's reasonable to expect him to be a double digit sack guy in a few years. 

Yes it's a higher risk than a players in his mid 20s and im not sure exactly what he wants in guarantees. But the Bengals could certainly offer more guarantees than the 1st year. 

Where in the world is Trey today?

Word is he was spotted at Kenwood mall along with Noah Fant.