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Just wanted to say... Told ya so |
Posted by: Okeana - 12-08-2015, 08:09 PM - Forum: JUNGLE NOISE
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So during training camp and while we were trimming our roster to start the season I heard a lot of people saying that peko and peerman needed to be cut. Cedric peerman has been one of the key guys to an outstanding season on special teams and is one of the main reasons we rank in the top 5. Game after game this guy is the man making key tackles and he's a great mentor for the young guys. While peko isn't the most outstanding DT in the league the guy has played with great effort this year and really stepped up with a career high 4 sacks. I said I would eat my shoe if he was the reason our team was a failure this year and it looks like that bet panned out well. Lastly I just want to say that its great to see all the old war horses out there this year with the opportunity to push for a superbowl this year. Guys like whitworth, hall,peerman and peko are all coming to the end of their careers, but they are some of the key personalities that helped to change our locker room around.
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"Who-Dey" Is Offensive?! |
Posted by: BFritz21 - 12-08-2015, 07:55 PM - Forum: JUNGLE NOISE
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We've officially hit rock bottom. Now this writer, who happens to be white, is calling "Who-Dey" racist because of the "dey" is in Ebonics.
I've grown up all my life in Cincinnati and never tied it to Ebonics; in fact, in never even crossed my mind! If people were acting a certain way when they said it that would portray a certain way of living that was making fun of, or even copying, black people, then I might understand, but it's just our chant and is more of a cheerful song than anything. I don't know of anyone that has ever even considered it as something from the black culture.
Here's the article:
Quote:Who Dey! As recently pointed out by an Enquirer feature (“Who Dey?” Dec. 6), the phrase is an adjective, a noun, a pronoun, a verb, an adverb, and even a beer! What a lot of people don’t like to discuss, however, is that the phrase might also be just a little bit racist – a detail made even more burdensome given the context of our current culture wars (where even attempting to have such a conversation can lead to ideologically loaded accusations of “political correctness” gone awry).
To really get at the origins of Who Dey, one needs to think of the whole Who Dey chant, paying close attention to the other words: “Who dey think gonna beat dem Bengals?” Do you see what words I’m talking about? Maybe this becomes more obvious when we consider the nearly identical chant from the New Orleans Saints: “Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?”
Look for the d-words: “dey,” “dat,” “dem.” What are they doing in there? The words should actually be “they,” “that,” and “them” (though, admittedly, “Who They” doesn’t quite have the same appeal). Though I studied linguistics and African American literature in college, I’m pretty sure most of us need no background in either of those things to see the relationship here: dey, dat, and dem are versions of they, that, and them typically found in Black English, or Gullah, or Creole English, or Ebonics, or any number of English dialects tracing their roots back to African language. Our beloved chant imitates Black English.
The history is easier to trace in New Orleans, where the phrase “Who Dat” was a mainstay of minstrel shows since at least 1898. In fact, when the Saints won the Super Bowl in 2010, the New Yorker ran an article entitled “The Strange Case of Who Dat,” addressing the issue head-on, acknowledging the phrase’s history in minstrel shows while also concluding it’s not racist to say at football games. I’ll leave those kinds of conclusions for the reader to decide.
Even the Enquirer’s story seems subconsciously to dance around the edge of this issue - once again as demonstrated through interesting word choice – even if we (as collective Cincinnatians) are not ready to address the topic straight away. In her feature, reporter Carol Motsinger wrote that the phrase “would fit right into the pews of a church. It’s call-and-response.”
“Call-and-response,” for those who remember their history (especially their music history), comes from African culture and was brought to the New World during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. “Who Dey” does invoke a sense of call-and-response, and that’s because it is a phrase that approximates Black English, likely tracing it’s roots back to New Orleans and minstrel shows at the turn of the 20th century.
That minstrel shows were an embodiment of racism is obvious to everyone these days. But is it appropriate for a stadium filled with mostly white people (some of whom consume lots of alcohol and paint their bodies black and orange) to chant “Who Dey”? I’ll leave that for readers to consider. Whatever your conclusions, history is history, and we should remember it when we can – which is what disappoints me the most in The Enquirer’s recent feature on this piece of potentially troublesome Bengals trivia.
What a joke.
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Sanu or Jones or Both? |
Posted by: CageTheBengal - 12-08-2015, 06:01 PM - Forum: JUNGLE NOISE
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Looking a little bit farther ahead into the off-season do you think Jones and Sanu have played well enough to earn a long term deal? Personally I would sign Jones to a deal and let Sanu walk. We have a lot of free agents to re-sign this off-season and we can take a stab at replacing him through the draft. I appreciate Sanu's swiss army knife type role but he never developed into a consistent possession guy. I was hoping he could resemble Housh in some way.
If we can afford to keep them both without sacrificing too much that would be good.
Here's a look at our free agents.
WR Mohamed Sanu
WR Marvin Jones
OT Andre Smith
DE Wallace Gilberry
DT Brandon Thompson
LB Vincent Rey
LB Chris Carter
CB Hall
CB Adam Jones
S Nelson
S Iloka
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In my Grief, I'm PROUD To Be A Bengals Fan |
Posted by: kevin - 12-07-2015, 03:50 PM - Forum: JUNGLE NOISE
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My wife past away at home Saturday morning. She has been ill the last few years. I saw her in her wheelchair at 5 AM and her oxygen air hose was off, and I put it back on thinking she was just asleep, but soon called 911, but they could not revive her. Today I go to the funeral home. Yesterday I did have Bengals on as I talked on phone with relatives all day. ...I did enjoy hearing Hill score ad then Jones and Dunlap and Atkins getting sacks and announcers saying how Coach Lewis told team it is time for them to step up now, and they are stepping up.....10-2....I didn't watch the game as much as planned, but it brought me some joy even after losing the love of my life for the past 20 years, till death us do part....and I'm proud to be a BENGALS FAN.
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