(08-07-2024, 12:09 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: The difference is the raw athleticism that Yoshi has over Binns. Binns had a 6.2 RAS while Yoshi had a 9.9 which is elite (like top 14 WR all time elite). Binns was half the athlete that Yoshi is. 

Pair that with his work ethic and improving upon his actual football ability, and the sky is the limit. Not to mention he's an Ivy Leaguer so he's gotta have at least some smarts to him. 

I hope he makes some plays this year, but I'm not terribly excited about him yet. It's a really crowded offense, and we've got nothing but ota and training camp to go off of. I hope you're right though.

(08-06-2024, 08:08 PM)jason Wrote: You went ahead and googled before you added that TD caveat to your post... Huh?

Spoiler alert for those who haven't looked into it. Armon Binns put up better numbers in 2012 than Iosivas did last year (with fewer TDs). Not much better, but it isn't a stretch to say they had very similar seasons. But yeah... Nothing is stopping Andre from building off his rookie year.

I was actually guessing about the TDs. I remembered Yoshi had a few last year, but I didn't really recall Binns having any. Having looked it up, turns out he had 1.

Andre Isovias and his athleticism are elite. He’s tall and fast. He’s strong and quick in ten yards. He’s got small hands for his size. He’s go8ng to be really good. How soon? That’s the unknown. I think he’s valuable this year but I think he steps into Tee’s role next year.

(08-07-2024, 02:40 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Andre Isovias and his athleticism are elite. He’s tall and fast. He’s strong and quick in ten yards. He’s got small hands for his size. He’s go8ng to be really good. How soon? That’s the unknown. I think he’s valuable this year but I think he steps into Tee’s role next year.

Marquies Valdez Scandling and Andre Iosivas are almost carbon copies of one another from and athleticism standpoint. Both were back of the draft picks (round 5 and 6). I seriously doubt Iosivas takes over Higgins role, but if he can do 50/500/2-5 a year that would be great.

(08-07-2024, 03:01 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Marquies Valdez Scandling and Andre Iosivas are almost carbon copies of one another from and athleticism standpoint. Both were back of the draft picks (round 5 and 6). I seriously doubt Iosivas takes over Higgins role, but if he can do 50/500/2-5 a year that would be great.

Yes there are comparisons but Isovias still learning football so I’d say his upside is more. And I’m pretty confident he takes Tee’s place next year

(08-07-2024, 06:15 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Yes there are comparisons but Isovias still learning football so I’d say his upside is more. And I’m pretty confident he takes Tee’s place next year

What do you mean still learning football? He has been playing football a while now? You mean NFL football? MVS has multiple 600 yard season to his name. I’m not an MVS defender, I think he is just a guy. However, I don’t really see how we can comp him to be Tee Higgins replacement yet. I’m not sure he finishes the year as our 4th, or 5th leading pass catcher… outside of injuries.

Chase
Higgins
Mike G
Burton
Andre/jones/moss/brown.

Burton won’t start the season as WR3, but I see him as the 3rd leg for the back half of the season.

(08-08-2024, 12:34 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: What do you mean still learning football?  He has been playing football a while now?  You mean NFL football?  MVS has multiple 600 yard season to his name.  I’m not an MVS defender, I think he is just a guy.   However, I don’t really see how we can comp him to be Tee Higgins replacement yet. I’m not sure he finishes the year as our 4th, or 5th leading pass catcher… outside of injuries.

Chase
Higgins
Mike G
Burton
Andre/jones/moss/brown.

Burton won’t start the season as WR3, but I see him as the 3rd leg for the back half of the season.

You left out Irwin who is currently WR3 because of Burton's tweaked ankle.

(08-08-2024, 12:34 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: What do you mean still learning football? He has been playing football a while now? You mean NFL football? MVS has multiple 600 yard season to his name. I’m not an MVS defender, I think he is just a guy. However, I don’t really see how we can comp him to be Tee Higgins replacement yet. I’m not sure he finishes the year as our 4th, or 5th leading pass catcher… outside of injuries.

Chase
Higgins
Mike G
Burton
Andre/jones/moss/brown.

Burton won’t start the season as WR3, but I see him as the 3rd leg for the back half of the season.

It’s pretty simple. I was following the discussion he hadn’t been tested over the middle. Ivy League and last year don’t correlate to a lot of work there. So absolutely without a doubt he’s still learning. You have to develop the toughness of catching balls over the middle and if you followed Isovias and were in tune with him then you’d know he needed to catch the ball out in front of him and with his hands. Receivers over the middle need to protect themselves and shield the ball from defenders. So absolutely without the millimeter of doubt he’s learning still.

(08-08-2024, 12:34 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: What do you mean still learning football?  He has been playing football a while now?  You mean NFL football?  MVS has multiple 600 yard season to his name.  I’m not an MVS defender, I think he is just a guy.   However, I don’t really see how we can comp him to be Tee Higgins replacement yet. I’m not sure he finishes the year as our 4th, or 5th leading pass catcher… outside of injuries.

Chase
Higgins
Mike G
Burton
Andre/jones/moss/brown.

Burton won’t start the season as WR3, but I see him as the 3rd leg for the back half of the season.

What "still learning football" means in Yoshi's case is that he is incredibly raw and from a school not known for football or top shelf competition. He just spent all offseason learning how to catch away from his body. He has a tremendous amount of potential, but that needs to be unlocked though practice, in game exposure, and time on task.

He was a full time track athlete who played football part time. That is where the "still learning football" comes from.

(08-08-2024, 01:37 PM)PDub80 Wrote: What "still learning football" means in Yoshi's case is that he is incredibly raw and from a school not known for football or top shelf competition. He just spent all offseason learning how to catch away from his body. He has a tremendous amount of potential, but that needs to be unlocked though practice, in game exposure, and time on task.

He was a full time track athlete who played football part time. That is where the "still learning football" comes from.

Yes, no doubt Iosivas is still learning just like all young players. Him and Chase Brown improved a ton in the Offseason in catching the
ball away from their bodies like the best in Ja'Marr and Tee do.

Anyone do the Allen Iverson "Practice" thing yet?

(08-07-2024, 06:15 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Yes there are comparisons but Isovias still learning football so I’d say his upside is more. And I’m pretty confident he takes Tee’s place next year

Well anybody can take Tee's place next year. It's just a matter of it being a detriment to the team. A guy with 15 NFL receptions (5 coming in one blowout loss) isn't going to be my first choice. I get it... He's made a lot of catches in shorts.

(08-08-2024, 06:42 PM)jason Wrote: Well anybody can take Tee's place next year. It's just a matter of it being a detriment to the team. A guy with 15 NFL receptions (5 coming in one blowout loss) isn't going to be my first choice. I get it... He's made a lot of catches in shorts.

Oh he’s got a ton to prove but JMHO I think he shines and replaces him.

(08-07-2024, 02:14 PM)Earendil Wrote: I was actually guessing about the TDs. I remembered Yoshi had a few last year, but I didn't really recall Binns having any. Having looked it up, turns out he had 1.

Yoshi never got to celebrate his TDs. There was always some question about them.

(08-08-2024, 07:36 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Oh he’s got a ton to prove but JMHO I think he shines and replaces him.

I hope he does shine... I honestly think whoever the 3rd receiving option is this year will be doing well to get about 400 yards. Kinda feels like Boyd's vacated targets are gonna be spread around, and the offense could look a lot different this year.

(08-08-2024, 07:47 PM)jason Wrote: I hope he does shine... I honestly think whoever the 3rd receiving option is this year will be doing well to get about 400 yards. Kinda feels like Boyd's vacated targets are gonna be spread around, and the offense could look a lot different this year.

Oh I agree with this. Chase will be everywhere. Gesicki as a slot definitely.

(08-08-2024, 01:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You left out Irwin who is currently WR3 because of Burton's tweaked ankle.

Wasn't Irwin getting more 1st team work than Burton even before the ankle tweak?

Yoshi was working his way in last season and gaining Burrow's trust. He was being used as a redzone target. Then alas Burrow went out and almost immediately we had the ridiculous Stealer game where Browning was holding the ball too long and Yoshi burnt the secondary twice and was wide open for TDs but Browning failed to pull the trigger. His big issue area was catching the ball with his body and it sure seems he worked on that in offseason.

Having Yoshi and drafting Burton are why Chuck Sizzle being hurt is not as big an issue as it might have been.

Things are getting spicy between Cedee Lamb and Jerry Jones.

Chase’s “hold-in” is obviously not ideal, but at least him and ownership seem to be on good terms.

(08-08-2024, 10:20 PM)Joelist Wrote: Yoshi was working his way in last season and gaining Burrow's trust. He was being used as a redzone target. Then alas Burrow went out and almost immediately we had the ridiculous Stealer game where Browning was holding the ball too long and Yoshi burnt the secondary twice and was wide open for TDs but Browning failed to pull the trigger. His big issue area was catching the ball with his body and it sure seems he worked on that in offseason.

Having Yoshi and drafting Burton are why Chuck Sizzle being hurt is not as big an issue as it might have been.

It is an issue when it comes to punt returns, maybe KO returns too.