(09-08-2024, 12:10 AM)samhain Wrote: So I doubt it happens, but in the hypothetical world, I have to ask: What does Chase get this team in trade?  

Lol, you say this as if we have the Chiefs player personnel office....

When we don't have a Top 5 pick this is who we draft:

Mims - looks to be very good
Murphy - no production yet
Hill - poor production thus far
Jonah - not good
Price - awful
Ross - awful
William Jackson - ok
Ogbuehi - not good
Dennard - ok

(09-08-2024, 12:32 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If no Higgins and Chase, Yoshi becomes our #1 WR is my guess. 

We may play more 2 TE sets, but someone has to the 40 to 50 snaps for each Tee and for Chase if he does not play.

Chase will play

(09-08-2024, 12:32 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If no Higgins and Chase, Yoshi becomes our #1 WR is my guess. 

We may play more 2 TE sets, but someone has to the 40 to 50 snaps for each Tee and for Chase if he does not play.

With the rumors of Burton being inactive, we may have to go to 3 and 4 TE sets.....

Per reports, neither of these are true.  Chase is neither sick or injured.  However Chase really expected a new contract Friday.  Now both the Front Office and Chase have been acting like everything is nice.  However if Chase doesn't play Sunday, things could go from Nice to Ugly real fast.  The Bengals may not sit back and just take it from Chase without suspensions or financial penalties. Of course Chase will get upset.  

We add to an unhappy Chase that they have an unhappy Higgins.  We've been here before with an unhappy Chad Johnson and an Unhappy Carson Palmer and it's not the stuff Super Bowl teams are made of.  

So hours before game time, nobody knows if Chase will play or not.  He's injured but he isn't injured due to not getting his new contract.  He was asking for a 160 mil contract and he isn't rushing out there to play for his rookie contract around 4 mil.  He sees other WR's getting around 150 mil, and he figures why play for his rookie contract still. He sees Burrow getting paid, and yet Chase is still near The League minimum.

and we hear Higgins tweaked his hamstring.  It might have been tweaked when Higgins and his Agent were upset Bengals slapped the franchise tag on him, keeping him from getting long term free agent contract.  Higgins and Chase both feel like they are being held in Limbo by this Front Office, so suddenly they both say they are unable to play, which is a legal sidestep from saying they refuse to play.  If you could get in trouble asking for the day off, you simply call in sick, average workers know that. 

So tune in tomorrow to The Young Bengals And The Restless to see who is and who isn't playing in this soap opera.  You know who thee real losers are.  THE BENGALS FANS who long waited for a good team, and now that this team looked to have a good dynasty type decade, Oh No, not for The decades long suffering Bengals Fans.  After 30 years this team got a play-off win, and maybe they think the fans can go another 30 years without one. The Bengals Fans are the real losers in all this Front Office vs Players mess.

What fails to make sense is Bengals said the big thing in offseason was a deal with Chase.  So using the franchise tag on Higgins made Higgins one of highest paid WR's in NFL this year,  Paid way higher than Chase. Plus the franchise tag makes top players angry.  I'm at a loss as to what Bengals Front Office was thinking when they slapped the franchise tag on Higgins.  So here is Opening Day, both Higgins and Chase upset, and say they have injuries, which is a good legal out by them, it's not the same as saying they refuse to play.  Bengals Front Office handled the Offseason poorly, and it's THE BENGALS FANS that I feel sorry for, they deserve better, much better. 

Suspend Chase already. For making mockery of Zac alone. If we lose we lose but this can’t be rewarded and Zac should turn the team against him with a “we can win without you” rally cry.

We can find a 1200 yard receiver in a draft.

Drafting players who won't play under their rookie contract or the tag is just a bad beat. It's not even a misplay by the FO. They can't show any weakness or else the problem will just keep getting worse. If you have players who don't understand that after a Super Bowl win money falls from the sky, well I don't think that you can throw good money after bad. If they want to be a Leveon Bell or a JaMarcus Russel that's their decision to make. 

(09-08-2024, 12:21 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Being a rookie contract makes it a bit different as you can negotiate after 3yrs. It seems more and more teams are taking care of star players earlier. I think blame lays on both sides on this one.

Pretty much. He’s literally seen every single other significant player from his draft class get paid at this point. Where it’s on Ja’Marr is him not taking what sounds like a more than fair offer that’s on the table.

(09-08-2024, 03:49 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Pretty much. He’s literally seen every single other significant player from his draft class get paid at this point. Where it’s on Ja’Marr is him not taking what sounds like a more than fair offer that’s on the table.

This 

(09-07-2024, 09:35 PM)samhain Wrote: For documentation purposes: had my first beer at 7:46.  Voodoo Imperial Ranger tall boy.  I'll go where it takes me.

You sound like a hard ****. 

(09-08-2024, 12:33 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Lol, you say this as if we have the Chiefs player personnel office....

When we don't have a Top 5 pick this is who we draft:

Mims - looks to be very good
Murphy - no production yet
Hill - poor production thus far
Jonah - not good
Price - awful
Ross - awful
William Jackson - ok
Ogbuehi - not good
Dennard - ok

We only had the chance to draft someone of chases talent and pricetag because of a fluke injury to burrow.  We are supposed to spend the entire tenure of a franchise QBs time here drafting in the late 20s or 30s. Barring abject disaster chase should be our only premium first round pick from 2020 to 2034 or so. 

(09-08-2024, 12:33 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Lol, you say this as if we have the Chiefs player personnel office....

When we don't have a Top 5 pick this is who we draft:

Mims - looks to be very good
Murphy - no production yet
Hill - poor production thus far
Jonah - not good
Price - awful
Ross - awful
William Jackson - ok
Ogbuehi - not good
Dennard - ok

You are being kind to Ogbuehi! That dude sucked ass!

(09-08-2024, 02:55 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Drafting players who won't play under their rookie contract or the tag is just a bad beat. It's not even a misplay by the FO.

Lol... Just a reminder that of the 18 WRs drafted between 2019 and 2021 that have posted a 1k season, only 3 haven't gotten an extension or reached FA.

Ja'Marr Chase
Tee Higgins
Darnell Mooney

That's it. Mooney never reached 650 yards in any of his other 3 seasons so he very much feels like a one-of-these-isn't-like-the-other, but every other non-Bengals 1k WR got an extension before hitting FA. Good WRs aren't just playing out their entire rookie contracts, getting tagged and playing, and happily not getting extensions.

(09-08-2024, 07:07 AM)J24 Wrote: You are being kind to Ogbuehi! That dude sucked ass!

caesar is nothing but kind

(09-08-2024, 12:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The owners negotiated the CBA and agreed to a system where players can get an extension after the third year of their rookie contract. Not only that, they agreed to a CBA where only players who are on their rookie contracts can get their holdout fines forgiven.

Players are cut while under contract all of the time. People and their "lawsuit" solution, lol.

You don't have to imagine, the Bengals keep raising season ticket prices. You had season tickets last year, the year before, and the year before? Well every single year you have to pay more to keep them. Try and "put your foot down" to squash the nonsense of Mike Brown wanting more money from you every year for the same seats.

Yep... And on top of that, it's never a good thing when Mike Brown "puts his foot down".

Time to put this to bed now lads.

For whatever reason it didn’t get done and is now unlikely to until next spring.

He said he’s gonna play on his current deal he’s back training.

Let’s see what he does today it is what it is at this point.

(09-08-2024, 12:34 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Chase will play

That's your story and your sticking to it.

(09-08-2024, 06:57 AM)Nately120 Wrote: We only had the chance to draft someone of chases talent and pricetag because of a fluke injury to burrow.  We are supposed to spend the entire tenure of a franchise QBs time here drafting in the late 20s or 30s. Barring abject disaster chase should be our only premium first round pick from 2020 to 2034 or so. 

That is my point, if we are not drafting Top 5 we re not very good at it and thus trading Chase for draft picks might not be the best idea.

(09-08-2024, 06:57 AM)Nately120 Wrote: We only had the chance to draft someone of chases talent and pricetag because of a fluke injury to burrow.  We are supposed to spend the entire tenure of a franchise QBs time here drafting in the late 20s or 30s. Barring abject disaster chase should be our only premium first round pick from 2020 to 2034 or so. 

I would have to disagree with  the age of 3 to 4 sets, college game throwing the ball so much, there is so much talent now  late 1 into later rounds with WRs.  Best example is Hill and Debo but there are numerous other WRs that are coming into their known that drafted in top 10 picks, besides teams can move up to grab one if needed.  I think Higgins is #1 with many teams when healthy and he was a 2nd round pick. 

(09-08-2024, 07:22 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Lol... Just a reminder that of the 18 WRs drafted between 2019 and 2021 that have posted a 1k season, only 3 haven't gotten an extension or reached FA.

Ja'Marr Chase
Tee Higgins
Darnell Mooney

That's it. Mooney never reached 650 yards in any of his other 3 seasons so he very much feels like a one-of-these-isn't-like-the-other, but every other non-Bengals 1k WR got an extension before hitting FA. Good WRs aren't just playing out their entire rookie contracts, getting tagged and playing, and happily not getting extensions.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but, yeah something else, I'm still waking up so you get the point haha.

Jeremy Fowler, who has been the first to break Ja'Marr news, is reporting that he is expected to play today. He said that Ja'Marr felt better as the day went on yesterday. Interpret that however you choose