(09-17-2024, 10:43 AM)PhilHos Wrote: So it's Burrow's fault receivers dropped passes?

He deserves a lion's share of the blame. Receiver drops didn't make him cough up the ball or make him fail to notice a run-in score right in front of him.

EDIT: You were right about us playing KC sweaty. But don't get it twisted. Burrow is a big reason why we didn't secure the dub.

(09-17-2024, 10:44 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: He deserves a lion's share of the blame. Receiver drops didn't make him cough up the ball or make him fail to notice a run-in score right in front of him.

EDIT: You were right about us playing KC sweaty. But don't get it twisted. Burrow is a big reason why we didn't secure the dub.

I first and foremost blame Burrow's fumble for the loss on Sunday. That doesn't mean I think he's bad, not clutch, or that he can "never" ice a game.

I just love how people take 1 game and extrapolate that for his whole career. Dude took us to 2 straight AFCCG games, winning one (and were 1 block away from winning the SB) and then having our defense give up the game winning drive in the 2nd. He was injured most of last season but when he wasn't, dude looked awesome. We have 2 losses this season, one in which the offense sucked and then another where Burrow had a costly mistake (yet still outplayed Mahomes) and all of a sudden he's no longer clutch or can "never ice a game"? People need to get out of here with that bullshit.

Am I right to assume those that think so little of Burrow after Sunday's game also think Mahomes is no longer the best QB in the league? Dude threw 3 INTs (1 of which didn't count because of a bullshit penalty) and had his worst game of his career against a pretty bad defense.

(09-16-2024, 12:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: I've never had any problems being honest in my assessment of the Bengals.

Not many are taking Burrow over Allen anymore. Burrow is a Nordstrom Dalton.

The number of young QB's (CJ, Love Murphy, Hurts) that have gained ground and have overtaken him, I won't ignore. 

Yall are living in 2021-2022...

Blame coaches, injuries whatever you want, but no team fears or should fear Burrow like they do these other QB's anymore. He's a shell of his old top 2 self and some are just slow to notice. 

We can still win with him, but not because of him. It's clear we need all else to go great (defense, talent around him, coaching). Things we'd slam other QB's (Dalton) for "needing" in order to be successful. 

Allen is 2-0 with no receivers, no talent, no defense, and some may argue worse coaching...  He doesn't need everything to be perfect around him. 

Really?  Allen didn't do anything in that Miami game.  It was won on the defense and legs of Cook.  I know.  I have Allen as my fantasy qb and he got me jack shit in that game lol

(09-17-2024, 10:52 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I first and foremost blame Burrow's fumble for the loss on Sunday. That doesn't mean I think he's bad, not clutch, or that he can "never" ice a game.

I just love how people take 1 game and extrapolate that for his whole career. Dude took us to 2 straight AFCCG games, winning one (and were 1 block away from winning the SB) and then having our defense give up the game winning drive in the 2nd. He was injured most of last season but when he wasn't, dude looked awesome. We have 2 losses this season, one in which the offense sucked and then another where Burrow had a costly mistake (yet still outplayed Mahomes) and all of a sudden he's no longer clutch or can "never ice a game"? People need to get out of here with that bullshit.

Spot on Phil. Some of the negative nancy's on here like to ignore the good and only look at the bad and only with our players.

If Spain even tried to get a paw on AD in the Super Bowl we win with a Joe Burrow to Ja'Marr Chase TD late.

Burrow has outplayed Mahomes in most of the games they have played and did so again Sunday.

(09-17-2024, 10:56 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Am I right to assume those that think so little of Burrow after Sunday's game also think Mahomes is no longer the best QB in the league? Dude threw 3 INTs (1 of which didn't count because of a bullshit penalty) and had his worst game of his career against a pretty bad defense.

Yep, Mahomes is a shell of himself I guess if we are going to judge these QB's fairly.

But no, we all know Mahomes is not a shell of himself and we all know that Burrow outplayed him in this game and will most likely again.

Mahomes is damn good, the best QB in the NFL but Lou knows how to give him problems with the Zone we run instead of Man where Mahomes feasts.

(09-17-2024, 12:55 PM)spidey Wrote: Really?  Allen didn't do anything in that Miami game.  It was won on the defense and legs of Cook.  I know.  I have Allen as my fantasy qb and he got me jack shit in that game lol

Allen looked good in this last game though, correct? You would know better than me with your FF but I thought he looked good and that entire Bils
team has looked pretty good surprisingly after getting rid of Diggs. Also like Ray Davis as well as James Cook. They still have a good team and a much
better one than the Dolphins who they own especially after Tua getting hurt once again.

(09-17-2024, 01:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Spot on Phil. Some of the negative nancy's on here like to ignore the good and only look at the bad and only with our players.

If Spain even tried to get a paw on AD in the Super Bowl we win with a Joe Burrow to Ja'Marr Chase TD late.

Burrow has outplayed Mahomes in most of the games they have played and did so again Sunday.


Yep, Mahomes is a shell of himself I guess if we are going to judge these QB's fairly.

But no, we all know Mahomes is not a shell of himself and we all know that Burrow outplayed him in this game and will most likely again.

Mahomes is damn good, the best QB in the NFL but Lou knows how to give him problems with the Zone we run instead of Man where Mahomes feasts.


Allen looked good in this last game though, correct? You would know better than me with your FF but I thought he looked good and that entire Bils
team has looked pretty good surprisingly after getting rid of Diggs. Also like Ray Davis as well as James Cook. They still have a good team and a much
better one than the Dolphins who they own especially after Tua getting hurt once again.

Allen was 13 of 19 for 139 yards.  1 td and no ints.  He ran 2x for 1 yard. The Bills defense had 3 ints with one being a pick six.  Oh and Allen had a fumble but recovered it.  Like I said, the defense and Cook won that game.  Allen was almost like a .....game manager for that game :) 

(09-17-2024, 10:52 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I first and foremost blame Burrow's fumble for the loss on Sunday. That doesn't mean I think he's bad, not clutch, or that he can "never" ice a game.

I just love how people take 1 game and extrapolate that for his whole career. Dude took us to 2 straight AFCCG games, winning one (and were 1 block away from winning the SB) and then having our defense give up the game winning drive in the 2nd. He was injured most of last season but when he wasn't, dude looked awesome. We have 2 losses this season, one in which the offense sucked and then another where Burrow had a costly mistake (yet still outplayed Mahomes) and all of a sudden he's no longer clutch or can "never ice a game"? People need to get out of here with that bullshit.

I took two games.

(09-17-2024, 01:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Spot on Phil. Some of the negative nancy's on here like to ignore the good and only look at the bad and only with our players.

If Spain even tried to get a paw on AD in the Super Bowl we win with a Joe Burrow to Ja'Marr Chase TD late.

Burrow has outplayed Mahomes in most of the games they have played and did so again Sunday.


Yep, Mahomes is a shell of himself I guess if we are going to judge these QB's fairly.

But no, we all know Mahomes is not a shell of himself and we all know that Burrow outplayed him in this game and will most likely again.

Mahomes is damn good, the best QB in the NFL but Lou knows how to give him problems with the Zone we run instead of Man where Mahomes feasts.


Allen looked good in this last game though, correct? You would know better than me with your FF but I thought he looked good and that entire Bils
team has looked pretty good surprisingly after getting rid of Diggs. Also like Ray Davis as well as James Cook. They still have a good team and a much
better one than the Dolphins who they own especially after Tua getting hurt once again.

That's because Mahomes knew they had to run to beat us, if they didn't throw a pass I think they still had a chance of beating us. Mahomes said that after the game too, I want to be a high flying offense but that's not what the gameplan called for.

Burrow might be checking out of runs.

Mahomes doesn't care about being outplayed he cares about the win, and Burrow is still figuring that part out. That little difference could be the difference in winning a superbowl. If you're trying to outplay the other QB instead of win the game, you're gonna lose. Especially against likely the GOAT. He's laughing at us. Instead of trying to use Burrow all the time, if we used him sparingly, or targeted that as a goal - we would win a ring. Teams don't currently worry about anything on our offense other than Burrow. We need Chase Brown to be RB1 with that HB/TE blocking and they're going to start feeling trouble.

I don't think at 5 carries a game, Chase Brown understands how important he is to the team.

(09-16-2024, 04:51 AM)ClarkHarris4Prez Wrote: No he hasn’t. The first game against the Chiefs in the 2021 regular season I’ll give you. In that years afc champ game we got an interception in OT and Mixon and a couple short passes (maybe, memory escapes me completely) got us to field goal range. Think about EVERY single playoff win we’ve had besides the Bills game. The defense got a turnover to win every one of those games. The end of our postseason both years came with Burrow getting the ball at the end with the perfect chance to be the hero. He simply does not get it done in those situations. I brought this up a while
Back and I got blasted for it. The homers in this fan base don’t want to accept that Burrow has not shown to be THAT guy. Maybe he still can get there but he’s not there yet. Honestly I had more faith in Dalton in those moments than I do Burrow, in the regular season only obviously. Burrows fumble lost us that game yesterday and he had multiple times after that to make up for it and win us the game. He simply can’t do it apparently. He’s a good qb, buts he’s not great and he can’t sniff Mahomes or Josh Allen’s jockstraps.

The Titans game he makes the throw to set up the field goal after getting sacked 9 times.  
The Chiefs AFC title game win he made a couple throws in OT.
He absolutely lit up Buffalo in the snow.

To say he can't sniff Josh Allens jockstrap is laughable.